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Dinger : 11/18/2019 1:59 pm
Saw this article and watched the video(I didn't watch much of that game). I was cringing as the OL seems to be silently pissed off at the exchange. Haskins has a point, as do most QB's who get hit as much as him. But calling them out on the sideline in front of a camera in your second start as a pro? The optics are bad and its not a good way to 'earn their trust' as he said.


dwayne haskins begs for help from redskins hapless offensive line - ( New Window )
Definitely seems a little over the top  
Oscar : 11/18/2019 2:04 pm : link
Although the lineman should humor him a little, most of those scrubs are lucky they’re in the NFL. Haskins might not be the answer but he’s got more runway than anyone on that line other than Scherff.
The guys just sitting there.  
Beezer : 11/18/2019 2:05 pm : link
Uncomfortable.

Hail to the Redskins!

welcome to th NFL  
mdc1 : 11/18/2019 2:06 pm : link
you got 3 seconds...else we will find someone that can.
Please  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2019 2:10 pm : link
if DJ did the same most would be raving about his "fire". Haskins doesn't impress me but he did nothing wrong here.
While I admit to getting a certain satisfaction out of watching  
Brown Recluse : 11/18/2019 2:14 pm : link
Haskins fail as a Redskin and especially after hearing all offseason he was "the QB the Giants should have drafted," I really don't see anything wrong here.
I don't love what Haskins has shown so far  
GiantsLaw : 11/18/2019 2:15 pm : link
but I don't have a problem with this.
RE: Please  
Dinger : 11/18/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14682782 DanMetroMan said:
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if DJ did the same most would be raving about his "fire". Haskins doesn't impress me but he did nothing wrong here.


I know. I go back and forth though. I mean when the line was getting Eli crushed year after year I wanted him to call out Pugh, Westburg, Flowers,and even Solder. but nope mums the word. Not sure if Jones will but doesn't seem to be too different from eli (though he shows more passion at times during the game than Eli ever did). But if you're one of those lineman and he does that too you, wouldn't you consider pulling the 'ole' a little more than you currently are?
There was never any chance  
arniefez : 11/18/2019 2:19 pm : link
the Giants were drafting Haskins and for that I am grateful. He's a bust in waiting.
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2019 2:25 pm : link
think the biggest thing is we aren't in the locker room or practice field. We don't know the relationships these guys have. If they really would go out of their way to let their QB get hit because he's passionately talking the way he did in the clip then they are losers to begin with.
Phil Simms would do it on ocassion  
Stu11 : 11/18/2019 2:25 pm : link
Brett Favre would do it also. I think its ok to show that fire but you sort of have to earn some gravitas before you do it. That having been said I think its no big deal. Just an emotional kid taking a beating sounding off a bit.
DJ or Haskins  
jestersdead : 11/18/2019 2:27 pm : link
thats not passion or whatever some people want it to be. Its the case of a kid not being used to getting hit and having little time to throw the ball. Last year he had 5+ seconds to throw and find an open receiver. Many here were concerned about his ability to play under pressure and lacked the proper footwork in the pocket to create more time.

If Haskins doesn't know what he needs to do to help his line, then he's not understand where the rush is coming from. At some point, you need to become a student of the game and can't rely on athletic skill
Morgan Moses  
bradshaw44 : 11/18/2019 2:30 pm : link
was on 106.7 here in DC this morning, he has a spot on Monday mornings at 830am, and he said that Haskins was asking the them if there is anything he could do to help them with the blocking. As in, I'm getting killed back here, can I call a better protection that you guys could pick up the rushers.

Moses didn't seem upset at all.
seems overblown  
UConn4523 : 11/18/2019 2:37 pm : link
not shocked.
I saw him running to his left  
since1925 : 11/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
And throw to a receiver 70 yards down the field. Very impressive. A holding call brought it back. Not the best way to make friends with the QB.

Eli never called out the offenive line even as they were destroying his career. Maybe Haskins is on to something.
RE: Please  
Now Mike in MD : 11/18/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14682782 DanMetroMan said:
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if DJ did the same most would be raving about his "fire". Haskins doesn't impress me but he did nothing wrong here.


There's a difference. By many accounts, Haskins has been slow to grasp the offense and has not worked particularfly hard. So the OL is probably thinking "yeah, we have an idea. Learn the offense."
Yeah I see nothing wrong here  
nyballa0891 : 11/18/2019 2:54 pm : link
I think we all agree we are pretty happy with the DJ pick but we don't need a thread every week tearing down another player just because some people here are insecure. Haskins has a pretty crap situation in Washington -much worse than ours.

My take from the sideline clip  
90.Cal : 11/18/2019 3:18 pm : link
Haskins wants to win. IDK if I could say the same about his OL. That was bad. He IMO wanted to know their opinion of what they think he can do better and maybe his wording was off or bad but they had no interest in talking to their QB. If that was DJones and the OL I would want the OL cut post-game. Terrible. Definitely cringey.
Ummm  
jvm52106 : 11/18/2019 3:21 pm : link
I think many of you are forgetting here is a guy with ZERO pedigree, who was basically 3rd string under Gruden and who clearly has been pushed to starting by the Owner. A plea full of passion is one thing, a comment or plea that seams more sarcastic and condescending is another thing. His tone doesn't match the plea and to be honest I don't see guys too amped up positively or negatively on the oline.. They basically act like they are hearing this from some schelp that they don't have the time for.
All I can think is  
FranknWeezer : 11/18/2019 3:38 pm : link
"he's got a lot of nerve talking to Ereck Flowers like that!"
RE: Ummm  
John In CO : 11/18/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14682876 jvm52106 said:
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I think many of you are forgetting here is a guy with ZERO pedigree, who was basically 3rd string under Gruden and who clearly has been pushed to starting by the Owner. A plea full of passion is one thing, a comment or plea that seams more sarcastic and condescending is another thing. His tone doesn't match the plea and to be honest I don't see guys too amped up positively or negatively on the oline.. They basically act like they are hearing this from some schelp that they don't have the time for.


Well.....then F them. Whether they like it or not, the guy is the starting QB for the rest of the season. A QB's job is to lead, right? Seems to me thats what he is trying to do. Im no fan of his, although im not a hater either, but damn, is he just supposed to sit back there and get killed without trying to do anything within his means to fix the situation? This kid can win for losing in that situation down there. Ive seen a ton of negative related to him so far, but not this.
RE: All I can think is  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/18/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14682888 FranknWeezer said:
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"he's got a lot of nerve talking to Ereck Flowers like that!"


Ha! Was thinking the same thing.

Especially because some people here act like Flowers has played well this year.
I agree that Haskins didn't do anything wrong. I don't see why  
Ira : 11/18/2019 4:12 pm : link
anyone thinks he did.
I would think that the answer to his question  
barens : 11/18/2019 5:29 pm : link
would simply be to throw much, much quicker.
Noting that Haskins faced little or no pass rush at Ohio State.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2019 5:33 pm : link
I saw him play in person once and said on BBI at the time that I don't even know how you evaluate him. He had a huge clean pocket and forever to throw. Look left, look center, look right, look left again, order a pizza, tip the delivery guy, look deep, throw a touchdown. The throw is superb, but the conditions under which he played bore zero resemblance to the NFL.

I don't see anything wrong with this, and arguably it's a good thing for a young QB to do. Simms supposedly started yelling at his linemen from his very first start. As long as the beef is legitimate, it's fine to voice it. But Haskins is going to have to speed up his internal clock A LOT. That's what he can do to help them.

That looked pretty bad.  
flycatcher : 11/18/2019 5:45 pm : link
His performance went on too long. You don't rally troops with histrionics.
Haskins did nothing wrong  
uther99 : 11/18/2019 6:24 pm : link
He's asking what he can do to be better. The telling thing is the OL indifference to him.
Doesn't look like he was showing them up in any way  
steve in ky : 11/18/2019 6:28 pm : link
A football player upset and displaying emotions on the sidelines when losing really isn't a story, or at least it shouldn't be.
RE: Please  
Hsilwek92 : 11/18/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14682782 DanMetroMan said:
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if DJ did the same most would be raving about his "fire". Haskins doesn't impress me but he did nothing wrong here.


I dunno Dan. I have a feeling that, if that were the case, some here, and in the NY media (shocking, I know) would completely disagree and go negative. Probably with comments like, “See, can’t handle NY.” , “What’s he done in this league to think he can do that?”, etc.

That said, I couldn’t be happier that the Redskins continue to show they’re a dumpster fire of an organization that refuses to be put out. May Snyder own that team forever.
RE: Haskins did nothing wrong  
FStubbs : 11/18/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14683069 uther99 said:
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He's asking what he can do to be better. The telling thing is the OL indifference to him.


This basically. They've mailed it in.
Let's hope that they don't address the LT position in free agency  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2019 7:21 pm : link
and target Andrew Thomas with their 1st round pick. If we land Chase Young then it will certainly take some of the disappointment away from this season.

Chase Young is the type of talent that can transform a defense. Take a look at what Nick Bosa has done for the 49ers. I think Young is a better talent as well. I'm not suggesting that he is the sole reason the 49'ers defense is so good but he certainly elevated the entire defense.

You put Chase Young at OLB behind Leonard Williams or Dexter Lawrence and he will wreak havoc. Young would make the defensive linemen's lives easier as well as whoever is starting opposite him.

This offseason I want the Giants to fix the offensive line more than anything. With that said Young is the best player in the draft and the Giants would be very fortunate to land him.

We all know from past experience that a great pass rush makes the defensive backs look much better. If the Giants land Young and add a good FS and a compliment to Connelly at ILB then this defense could be a top 10 unit.
RE: Please  
djm : 11/18/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14682782 DanMetroMan said:
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if DJ did the same most would be raving about his "fire". Haskins doesn't impress me but he did nothing wrong here.


Yeah I’m sure jones calling out his OL like that would go over well here.
PS  
djm : 11/18/2019 7:28 pm : link
Doesn’t bother me none.

But any fan base would likely make too much out of this.
This clip shows the maturation and growth of Haskins.  
Diver_Down : 11/18/2019 7:55 pm : link
He used to be sweaty and disinterested on the sidelines. Now, he is just sweaty.
Ummm  
mdthedream : 11/18/2019 8:17 pm : link
asking his oline what can he do to help them block is stupid.
I'm sure the Trent Williams  
Rory : 11/18/2019 8:18 pm : link
situation has its way of disheartening the rest of the group.

What the Redskins did to him is deplorable.
The indefference would be  
mdthedream : 11/18/2019 8:19 pm : link
Hell you can't do anything to help us block. LOL!
Don't like it but it's not his fault either...  
nzyme : 11/18/2019 11:08 pm : link
He turned the issue around on them. He should have phrased that much better. He should have posed a question to the HC and OC: "Am I doing everything correctly. Is there something else that I should be doing?".

I remember a story  
Daniel in MI : 11/19/2019 2:10 am : link
Simms told about Parcells: in practice the OL was shite. They were blocking poorly and Simms was getting hit too much in games. Parcells lit into them. Simms thought “yeah, get em.” Then Parcells turned on Simms, and said “And you, if you were leading them instead of trying to be their friends, they’d be too afraid to let you get hit like that!” Simms said it taught him something about leading.

Not saying calling out in public is right or that Haskins is doing that, just that it needs to be done at times.
The issue to me isn’t that he called them out  
mattnyg05 : 11/19/2019 7:43 am : link
It’s that it looks like his offensive line has zero respect for him. They are almost laughing and trying not to make eye contact with each other.

I feel like this could be one of those “don’t tell us to do a better job when you don’t do the work” type of deals. Just my opinion. Calling them out isn’t the problem but calling them out when you’re not doing your job is maybe hard for them to deal with.
RE: RE: Haskins did nothing wrong  
barens : 11/19/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14683092 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14683069 uther99 said:


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He's asking what he can do to be better. The telling thing is the OL indifference to him.



This basically. They've mailed it in.


I didn't watch the game, but I would venture to say he's got to get used to not having a lot of time in the pocket, that's life in the NFL. To say that the offensive line is mailing it in, as opposed to Haskins isn't getting rid of the ball quick enough, just seems way off to me.
RE: RE: RE: Haskins did nothing wrong  
Eman11 : 11/19/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14683543 barens said:
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In comment 14683092 FStubbs said:


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In comment 14683069 uther99 said:


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He's asking what he can do to be better. The telling thing is the OL indifference to him.



This basically. They've mailed it in.



I didn't watch the game, but I would venture to say he's got to get used to not having a lot of time in the pocket, that's life in the NFL. To say that the offensive line is mailing it in, as opposed to Haskins isn't getting rid of the ball quick enough, just seems way off to me.


I watched a lot of the game and it looked to me like after getting hit some early on,Haskins was going to his first read almost automatically and just got rid of the ball even if the throws were short of getting a needed first down.

Granted Williams' D can confuse even veteran QB's but Haskins looked to me like he was having trouble moving through his progressions or even bothering to do so on some plays as the game wore on.
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