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Athletic: Big Question in Carolina is Rivera future, not Cam

Giantophile : 11/18/2019 2:29 pm

Speculative article re: Carolina's new owner & Rivera's future in Carolina that I'm posting here solely to fuel the who-replaces-Shurmur-if-he's-fired conversation.

It sounds like even if Rivera was out in Carolina he'd likely take some time off. Still, on a slow news day figured it's worth adding another name to the discussion.

If Rivera shook loose, would you want him here?
Real Question is Rivera, not Newton (behind Athletic Paywall) - ( New Window )

He's an adult

90.Cal : 11/18/2019 2:37 pm : link

So automatically he qualifies.

No seriously, Rivera over Shurmur pre-Daniel Jones is a no brainer... but now that you have a QB... I think I'd rather see Shurmur develop him for a 2nd season before I want Shurmur gone... but my patience with Shurmur's ability to win games is wearing very thin.

I looked at him a few weeks back as a replacement.

Dinger : 11/18/2019 2:37 pm : link

I say yes. Defensive minded, check. Seems to be able to develop players, check. Has had success, check.

That said, if there are people on here (FMiC) who are able to follow the Panthers more closely, what are his pros and cons?

With the uncertainty in Cam and the likely hood that they will

Diver_Down : 11/18/2019 2:43 pm : link

be in the market for a QB (Allen isn't the guy), it seems like a logical time to install a new coaching staff as they undergo the transition. I think there were rumblings when Tepper acquired the Panthers that there was some tension between the two. Hopefully, FMIC chimes in and corrects any wrong information.

His teams seem to be prepared.....

BillKo : 11/18/2019 3:29 pm : link

....coming here, he'd have to hire a good OC who could get the most out of DJ. That would be paramount.

Well DG

Jay in Toronto : 11/18/2019 3:52 pm : link

would certainly have an informed opinion

RE: His teams seem to be prepared.....

Diver_Down : 11/18/2019 3:56 pm : link

In comment 14682883 BillKo said:

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....coming here, he'd have to hire a good OC who could get the most out of DJ. That would be paramount.

I think the concentration should be to get the most out of Barkley. If Riverboat Ron can bring his OC (Norv Turner) that would be a huge plus. I love the way CMC is used. Barkley should be used the same way. Getting the most out of Barkley, especially before he is due his second contract, will yield dividends for DJ and the receivers.

I like..

FatMan in Charlotte : 11/18/2019 4:05 pm : link

Rivera. I think the "Riverboat Ron" thing is stupid and overused, and he's not had back-to-back winning seasons ever (but either have the Panthers).

Their offenses haven't been fantastic, but his defenses have been strong for the majority of the time here. And players seem to go hard for him.

Thanks Fats

Dinger : 11/18/2019 4:16 pm : link

While it wasn't a 'giants poweresque' novella, it was concise and to the point. I think you could sub out Norv Turner for someone else, but I want someone who gets his guys playing and who can delegate as well as get the big picture.

Rivera apparently is a big fan of DG

Mattman : 11/18/2019 4:50 pm : link

We took a few of his assistants in Mike Shula, who was his OC and Tom McGaughey, who was his ST Coord.

Chase Blackburn is his current ST coordinator. Fewell is his secondary coach... He lets Norv run the offense and has taken over the defense again.

Rivera is a damn good coach that develops talent in players and other coaches.

Only if he can bring that LB that wears number 59 ...

Spider56 : 11/18/2019 4:59 pm : link

Seriously, I go back and forth on RR ... his teams are usually well prepared but have struggled in big games and seem to play down to teams (like yesterday) and seldom up (see debacle in SF several weeks ago). Maybe a change of scenery with a new cast would help get him to the next level of coaching.

Would take him in a heartbeat

Anakim : 11/18/2019 5:10 pm : link

Major upgrade over Shurmur. The only thing is he would need to bring a strong OC along.

So, your proposing replacing one loser with another loser?

SterlingArcher : 11/18/2019 6:12 pm : link

RE: I like..

Gman11 : 11/18/2019 6:16 pm : link

In comment 14682919 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Rivera.
Their offenses haven't been fantastic, but his defenses have been strong for the majority of the time here.

Good linebackers are the key. DBs are so-so. DL has had some good players, but lately they are just OK. The linebackers make up for some deficiencies elsewhere.

Barkley

uther99 : 11/18/2019 6:21 pm : link

could be like CMC with Norv

RE: So, your proposing replacing one loser with another loser?

Anakim : 11/18/2019 6:26 pm : link

In comment 14683053 SterlingArcher said:

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76-61 is a loser? Four playoff appearances since 2013 constitute a loser?

Anakim : 11/18/2019 6:28 pm : link

Throughout his tenure the team has won three divisional titles, been to the playoffs four times and made the franchise�s second ever Super Bowl appearance.

Yeah, total loser...

RE: RE: So, your proposing replacing one loser with another loser?

Gman11 : 11/18/2019 6:29 pm : link

In comment 14683073 Anakim said:

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In comment 14683053 SterlingArcher said:
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76-61 is a loser? Four playoff appearances since 2013 constitute a loser?

Yeah, they should have fired him after that 15-1 season.

Getts should be sending him.some

idiotsavant : 11/18/2019 6:35 pm : link

Cupcakes and flowers.

Pair him up with some offense folks from the shanny Jr tree. Falcons, 9ers, instant outside zone run play action . Even Vikings maybe, very strangely

You could even keep the betch if he agrees to work the gentlemans play style

How many head coaches have actual personal game stats such as

idiotsavant : 11/18/2019 7:01 pm : link

7 sacks, some INTs 9?, and fumble recoveries.

I would be happy with Rivera

Jay on the Island : 11/18/2019 8:05 pm : link

He has built a strong coaching staff. I'd prefer a defensive minded HC as long as he brings in a good OC to run the offense. It would be nice if he kept Norv Turner as his OC.

RE: How many head coaches have actual personal game stats such as

Anakim : 11/19/2019 11:34 am : link

In comment 14683115 idiotsavant said:

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7 sacks, some INTs 9?, and fumble recoveries.

I hear Mike Singletary is available...:)

RE: .

Giantz_comeback : 11/19/2019 1:41 pm : link

In comment 14683075 Anakim said:

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Throughout his tenure the team has won three divisional titles, been to the playoffs four times and made the franchise�s second ever Super Bowl appearance.

Yeah, total loser...

Lol aside from a total surprise hire he would be one of the best available proven guys out there. Tomlin too if he shakes loose.