shouldn't be 1st ballot based on the way the past voting has gone. He's not the best shortstop of all time. I want the unanimous to be saved for the best of all time at their position. Rivera without question was that
shouldn't be 1st ballot based on the way the past voting has gone. He's not the best shortstop of all time. I want the unanimous to be saved for the best of all time at their position. Rivera without question was that
He can be first ballot (he should) without it being unanimous.
And there’s a lot more to Jeter than SS of the Yankees. He was larger than life for an extended period of time, thrived in NY, was part of the core (the leader) that went onto dominance, and was so damn clutch. Basically every intangible you can possibly come up with he was the poster child of.
My opinion of him being qualified for a unanimous decision is that, he was one of the, if not the face of baseball for years. He was constantly written off as washed up as he aged, yet, continued to prove doubters wrong (a narrative quite similar to what Brady faces when he has a stinker or two these days).
I’m not naive enough to think that he will be voted in unanimously. Just my opinion that he should be based upon what he brought to Major League Baseball on and off the field.
shouldn't be 1st ballot based on the way the past voting has gone. He's not the best shortstop of all time. I want the unanimous to be saved for the best of all time at their position. Rivera without question was that
You mean unanimous, not 1st ballot. He is definitely 1st ballot.
I’m keeping an eye on the Veterans Committee vote. Â
Or whatever they’re calling it now. Munson and Mattingly are on it. What an incredible day in Yankee history that would be if multiple team captains went in. Munson probably has a better chance than Donnie.
But I’ve given up on him getting in. If he had played in ‘96 and won a World Series, he’d probably have a good shot considering his and Puckett’s stats were similar and, Puckett got in.
Also, how in the blue fuck did Mattingly not win the MVP in ‘86? Robbery.
is a first time ballot guy who the writer believes has a chance, along with Alfonso Soriano.
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As far as the non-Jeter portion of the rookie class, there are no other slam-dunk selections. Using the Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor -- a rough scale in which a player scoring over 100 is likely to be inducted and a player under 100 is less likely -- these are the first-timers with the highest scores:
Jason Giambi: 108
Alfonso Soriano: 105
If Jason Giambi gets in over Bonds and Clemens the baseball writer association is pathetic
is a first time ballot guy who the writer believes has a chance, along with Alfonso Soriano.
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As far as the non-Jeter portion of the rookie class, there are no other slam-dunk selections. Using the Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor -- a rough scale in which a player scoring over 100 is likely to be inducted and a player under 100 is less likely -- these are the first-timers with the highest scores:
Jason Giambi: 108
Alfonso Soriano: 105
If Jason Giambi gets in over Bonds and Clemens the baseball writer association is pathetic
Bonds and Clemens are Hall of Famers, but the steroids will keep them out a little while more. They belong in, maybe after Piazza got in, they will get in. I know there was nothing on Piazza, just rumors, but BBWAA held it against him. Bonds and Clemens are different, so while they definitely belong in Cooperstown, BBWAA is pretty vindictive.
Hard to see which list you think Giambi is a maybe but Bonds and Clemens are no's. unless you just mean first timers.
And I don't think Giabmi is a maybe, he's an easy no (for me) not even anything to do with steroids, his numbers just don't support it.
Regular list...Jeter is the only HoFer listed. Giambi, IMHO, is the next best player listed and that is why I said maybe.
So, you think Giambi is a maybe, but Bonds and Clemens are not HOFers?
Strange take.
I already said(See above posts) the Bonds and Clemens should be in, and might be, since they voted in Piazza. But I expect it to go close to the 10 year mark before BBWAA relents.
but if you're going to put him in you've got to give Scott Rolen a long look. Comparable bWAR w/o the park factors, strong prime, career clearly cut short by injuries but long enough.
I get that he was a bad defensive shortstop who stayed on the position a decade longer than he should have, but those teams were powered largely by getting elite offensive production from primarily defensive positions, catcher and shortstop.
in baseball social/media will be tiresome to say the least.
I anticipate that the % will come in artificially low, given the obvious opportunity for voters to sandbag him, write a masturbatory article explaining their poorly veiled disdain for the Yankees, and then watch the clicks and likes and retweets pour in from Yankee haters at large.
Couldn't care less about what % of the vote he actually gets, but it'll be pretty fucking silly if he's not first ballot.
And a no doubt first ballot. As others have mentioned above, he should not be a unanimous decision (nor do I believe he will be), but fist ballot absolutely.
they will have a situation when Big Papi is up for enshrinement. That's when you'll have the cases for Clemens and Bonds to be strongest, because you know they want to elect that cuddly piece of shit in.
they will have a situation when Big Papi is up for enshrinement. That's when you'll have the cases for Clemens and Bonds to be strongest, because you know they want to elect that cuddly piece of shit in.
MLB has been covering up for Shrek for over a decade, so I don't see them stopping now.
but he was not a first ballot guy anyway. I think he should ultimately get in, but when you're a borderline candidate and you're a dickhead first and foremost to the entity responsible for voting you in you've got no one to blame but yourself.
they will have a situation when Big Papi is up for enshrinement. That's when you'll have the cases for Clemens and Bonds to be strongest, because you know they want to elect that cuddly piece of shit in.
MLB has been covering up for Shrek for over a decade, so I don't see them stopping now.
He is extremely popular with the players and other fans. I know we don't like him because he got away with it, his name covered up by Selig, and his miraculous rise from the ashes in the DR dispensaries on numerous occasions.
Sadly, he will get in and ARod will not, even when Bonds and Clemens do...ARod's antics that cost him the year were likely the final nail in the coffin with BBWAA.
is pretty damn strong. Making it out like he's some low character guy is BS. He endured playing in NY his entire career without a scandal or whispers of him being a bad guy. The best people can point to is gift baskets for women.
For me it would keep Schilling out and Jeter not unanimous (when compared to Mariano).
So you are keeping Ty Cobb out and maybe even Babe Ruth? They should keep Schilling out for his political rants because they are opposite of many of the writers(likely happening anyway)? Where does it end? I can see it in a very borderline candidate that may have brought dishonor to MLB.
Don't agree on either. Jeter might be the only player
to get in this year, from the actual vote.
A couple others might get in from the
'Modern Day Committee".
Schilling is the closest and really treading water... Â
I suppose Larry Walker could close the gap. I think Rolen will make some significant gains with the ballot glut cleared up a bit. But yeah, could just be Jeter.
RE: Schilling is the closest and really treading water... Â
I suppose Larry Walker could close the gap. I think Rolen will make some significant gains with the ballot glut cleared up a bit. But yeah, could just be Jeter.
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I think Schilling will get in next year,
don't particularly care for the guy, but whatever.
he's a charitable asshole and that is laudable, but some of the things he has said and done go beyond his simply being a man of the political right.
but to speak to his character enough that says he should be kept out of the HOF because he's an asshole? (assuming you believe his baseball merits inclusion)
I think people who feel this way are creating an untenable slippery slope.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the veterans Â
committee votes in the future. There's a pretty long list of guys who have fallen (or will) off the writers' ballot who are pretty clearly superior to Harold Baines. Are all these guys going to get in now? And that's not even considering the no-doubt guys who are kept out because of PED's.
but when you wear apparel cracking jokes about hanging journalists it's not a surprise why a voting body comprised of JOURNALISTS would decline to pay you that honor.
Jeter should be unanimous, but then again so should a shitload of other greats from the past.
The only argument against Jeter being a 1st ballot HOFer from a voter is "I didn't want to make him unanimous because of precedent". 100% vs. 98%, who cares. Jeter was an awesome player and absolute legend.
Moonface Beckett should get into the HOF...if he buys a ticket that is.
Manny won’t get in for another 3 or 4 years.
Abreu, not this year.
Konerko, no shot.
Clemens
Bonds
Manny
Schilling
Jeter
and I think Helton, need to check his splits, but I think HOF without researching.
Guys like Rolen, Sheffield, Konerko, etc. no from me.
Larry Walker I need to look at more too. I hate holding home park against these guys, many players hit better at home, but Coors is Coors.
He can be first ballot (he should) without it being unanimous.
And there’s a lot more to Jeter than SS of the Yankees. He was larger than life for an extended period of time, thrived in NY, was part of the core (the leader) that went onto dominance, and was so damn clutch. Basically every intangible you can possibly come up with he was the poster child of.
I’m not naive enough to think that he will be voted in unanimously. Just my opinion that he should be based upon what he brought to Major League Baseball on and off the field.
You mean unanimous, not 1st ballot. He is definitely 1st ballot.
Also, how in the blue fuck did Mattingly not win the MVP in ‘86? Robbery.
Jason Giambi: 108
Alfonso Soriano: 105
If Jason Giambi gets in over Bonds and Clemens the baseball writer association is pathetic
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As far as the non-Jeter portion of the rookie class, there are no other slam-dunk selections. Using the Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor -- a rough scale in which a player scoring over 100 is likely to be inducted and a player under 100 is less likely -- these are the first-timers with the highest scores:
Jason Giambi: 108
Alfonso Soriano: 105
If Jason Giambi gets in over Bonds and Clemens the baseball writer association is pathetic
Bonds and Clemens are Hall of Famers, but the steroids will keep them out a little while more. They belong in, maybe after Piazza got in, they will get in. I know there was nothing on Piazza, just rumors, but BBWAA held it against him. Bonds and Clemens are different, so while they definitely belong in Cooperstown, BBWAA is pretty vindictive.
May help Munson and Mattingly.
May help Munson and Mattingly.
I think both get in on the old timers vote. Munson deserves it and I am hopeful for Mattingly.
May help Munson and Mattingly.
Total list or first timers?
Hard to see which list you think Giambi is a maybe but Bonds and Clemens are no's. unless you just mean first timers.
And I don't think Giabmi is a maybe, he's an easy no (for me) not even anything to do with steroids, his numbers just don't support it.
Total list or first timers?
Hard to see which list you think Giambi is a maybe but Bonds and Clemens are no's. unless you just mean first timers.
And I don't think Giabmi is a maybe, he's an easy no (for me) not even anything to do with steroids, his numbers just don't support it.
Regular list...Jeter is the only HoFer listed. Giambi, IMHO, is the next best player listed and that is why I said maybe.
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Total list or first timers?
Hard to see which list you think Giambi is a maybe but Bonds and Clemens are no's. unless you just mean first timers.
And I don't think Giabmi is a maybe, he's an easy no (for me) not even anything to do with steroids, his numbers just don't support it.
Regular list...Jeter is the only HoFer listed. Giambi, IMHO, is the next best player listed and that is why I said maybe.
So, you think Giambi is a maybe, but Bonds and Clemens are not HOFers?
Strange take.
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Total list or first timers?
Hard to see which list you think Giambi is a maybe but Bonds and Clemens are no's. unless you just mean first timers.
And I don't think Giabmi is a maybe, he's an easy no (for me) not even anything to do with steroids, his numbers just don't support it.
Regular list...Jeter is the only HoFer listed. Giambi, IMHO, is the next best player listed and that is why I said maybe.
So, you think Giambi is a maybe, but Bonds and Clemens are not HOFers?
Strange take.
I already said(See above posts) the Bonds and Clemens should be in, and might be, since they voted in Piazza. But I expect it to go close to the 10 year mark before BBWAA relents.
Wagners career numbers place him among the elite closers.
So my list is:
Clemens
Bonds
Schilling
Jeter
Manny
and maybes on Wagner and Helton. Since I can vote 10, I'd probably include both - but need more research.
Giambi isn't close (for me)
Bonds
Schilling
Jeter
Walker (career bWAR of 72.7)
Wagner (far better numbers than Hoffman)
Manny
It's so obvious his politics are derailing him. He was a tremendous pitcher in both the regular and post-season.
It's so obvious his politics are derailing him. He was a tremendous pitcher in both the regular and post-season.
I also think he burned a lot of bridges in the media.
I anticipate that the % will come in artificially low, given the obvious opportunity for voters to sandbag him, write a masturbatory article explaining their poorly veiled disdain for the Yankees, and then watch the clicks and likes and retweets pour in from Yankee haters at large.
Couldn't care less about what % of the vote he actually gets, but it'll be pretty fucking silly if he's not first ballot.
It's so obvious his politics are derailing him. He was a tremendous pitcher in both the regular and post-season.
Eh, politics or not, he was always a giant CU Next Tuesday.
Glad he’s been snubbed so far.
Yeah, I'd vote for:
Jeter
Bonds
Clemens
Schilling
Manny may get in..
MLB has been covering up for Shrek for over a decade, so I don't see them stopping now.
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they will have a situation when Big Papi is up for enshrinement. That's when you'll have the cases for Clemens and Bonds to be strongest, because you know they want to elect that cuddly piece of shit in.
MLB has been covering up for Shrek for over a decade, so I don't see them stopping now.
He is extremely popular with the players and other fans. I know we don't like him because he got away with it, his name covered up by Selig, and his miraculous rise from the ashes in the DR dispensaries on numerous occasions.
Sadly, he will get in and ARod will not, even when Bonds and Clemens do...ARod's antics that cost him the year were likely the final nail in the coffin with BBWAA.
For me it would keep Schilling out and Jeter not unanimous (when compared to Mariano).
We can debate how kindness is bad character.....
For me it would keep Schilling out and Jeter not unanimous (when compared to Mariano).
So you are keeping Ty Cobb out and maybe even Babe Ruth? They should keep Schilling out for his political rants because they are opposite of many of the writers(likely happening anyway)? Where does it end? I can see it in a very borderline candidate that may have brought dishonor to MLB.
Don't agree on either. Jeter might be the only player
to get in this year, from the actual vote.
A couple others might get in from the
'Modern Day Committee".
I think Schilling will get in next year,
don't particularly care for the guy, but whatever.
For me it would keep Schilling out and Jeter not unanimous (when compared to Mariano).
What exactly in Schilling's character should keep him out of the MLB HOF?
You don't agree with his politics?
He had a failed business venture?
His ALS charity?
Strange post.
but to speak to his character enough that says he should be kept out of the HOF because he's an asshole? (assuming you believe his baseball merits inclusion)
I think people who feel this way are creating an untenable slippery slope.
The only argument against Jeter being a 1st ballot HOFer from a voter is "I didn't want to make him unanimous because of precedent". 100% vs. 98%, who cares. Jeter was an awesome player and absolute legend.