This was the conversation prior to the season with regards to the 2019 season onward. The belief I had was 2019 was a growth year with an eye towards 2020. This is what I felt the plan was, especially when you look around the league - Wentz & Goff both popped in year 2 with competitive teams. Looking around the NFL on rookie contract QB’s:
-Lamar Jackson (8-2)
-Josh Allen (7-3)
-Dak Prescott (6-4)
-Patrick Mahomes (6-4)
-Deshaun Watson (6-4)
I’m not including Baker Mayfield although we all would agree they are in a window of competing. Mitchell Trubisky is widely viewed as a bust, but they earned a playoff bye last year in his second season.
The point is, Jones looks like he can play & he’s entering his second season next year. He is a bargain, we have cap room - this IS the window. Yet, people are saying this team is YEARS away. If we are years away, we’ve missed our window, because if Jones is playing well he will get a significant contract.
It is alarming if this team is going to waste Jones rookie deal going 5-11. The competitive window needs to begin next year.
It will be difficult to convince some candidates to come here and work under a coach who might be fired in a year. Once again my favorite choices are Bill Callahan for OL coach, Rod Marinelli and/or Kris Richard for DC, and Jay Gruden or Norv Turner for OC.
But can really see what we have been seeing for past few yrs to continue for many more because dysfunction in process.
Gruden and Reich are both out there competing every week with far more difficult circumstances.
Link - ( New Window )
That was the mantra in The Wilderness Years.
What a shitshow.
Just like "Groundhog Day"
LOFL, great quote in that old thread. Gettleman is so freakin delusional.
Every one of those moves has turned out horrible.
April 2, 2018 NYP: Picking apart the Giants rebuilding narrative - ( New Window )
You’ll love this quote from the Giants website in Gettleman’s write up:
It’s amazing how the narratives change. As George Young used to say, everyone needs to guard their desk.
Link - ( New Window )
These fucking losers have done one thing well since they started here: makes excuses.
He's done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt. He's made asinine statements and decisions for 2 years now.
Everyone needs to go.
We'll be in the same boat next November @ this time. Season over before Turkey Day. Talking draft spots. Debating new regime.
The fish rots from the head. Ownership is clueless.
Saw this nugget from your’s truly in there:
If it wasn’t for inept QB play due to injuries
The_Boss : 12/19/2018 9:48 am : link
This team likely finishes 2-14 or 3-13 again. Jimmy G instead of Mullens. Trubisky instead of Daniels. Winston instead of Fitzpatrick, and Smith instead of Sanchez. There is no improvement from 2017. Some of you people see what you want to see to make you feel better about what’s really going on.
We’ll probably all have the same conversation next November/December when we’re headed for another year of less than 6 wins...”we’re gonna start winning in 2021! For real this time!”
That was the mantra in The Wilderness Years.
What a shitshow.
Hahaha Raultney. The one and the same Raultney? I haven't seen you post in a long time. Hahaha that handle.
These fucking losers have done one thing well since they started here: makes excuses.
That, and celebrate and exaggerate meaningless accomplishments.
Yup! After years of absence, I thought I'd come back and join in the merriment, once again.
Thanks for remembering.
[quote] "It’s about winning and I’ve seen someone told one of the reporters I’m in the teardown," Gettleman said recently. "We’re not spending $62.5 million on Nate Solder, spending the money on [28-year-old guard] Patrick Omameh, we’re not trading for Alec Ogletree. If it’s a teardown, we’re not doing that. We evaluated the roster, we’ve developed a plan moving forward. It’s about winning now. Who wants to lose? I don’t."
That never gets old. I’ve been arguing in another thread that Gettleman needs to do more interviews. And that’s because he doesn’t have a governor switch; and he will ramble on to the point he’ll turn over most of his cards.
Furthermore, I’m fascinated by his insecurity. From the constant resume reminders, defending the Jones pick by saying other teams were desperate for Jones, the ‘Hand of God’ sales pitch for Barkley, the mocking of analytics, etc, the guy inspires no confidence that he’s making sound judgements.
The LW trade really cemented for me that Gettleman is merely flying by the seat of his pants. He’s making up a plan as he goes. Forget whether you like LW or not, it’s technically one of the dumbest trades ever. We basically gave away two picks as charity because LW will still hit the open market as a FA. Giving away those picks gives us absolutely no additional leverage to have a better chance to sign LW. I would absolutely love to hear him try to explain this idiocy in a press conference.
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Gettleman is so freakin delusional.
[quote] "It’s about winning and I’ve seen someone told one of the reporters I’m in the teardown," Gettleman said recently. "We’re not spending $62.5 million on Nate Solder, spending the money on [28-year-old guard] Patrick Omameh, we’re not trading for Alec Ogletree. If it’s a teardown, we’re not doing that. We evaluated the roster, we’ve developed a plan moving forward. It’s about winning now. Who wants to lose? I don’t."
That never gets old. I’ve been arguing in another thread that Gettleman needs to do more interviews. And that’s because he doesn’t have a governor switch; and he will ramble on to the point he’ll turn over most of his cards.
Furthermore, I’m fascinated by his insecurity. From the constant resume reminders, defending the Jones pick by saying other teams were desperate for Jones, the ‘Hand of God’ sales pitch for Barkley, the mocking of analytics, etc, the guy inspires no confidence that he’s making sound judgements.
The LW trade really cemented for me that Gettleman is merely flying by the seat of his pants. He’s making up a plan as he goes. Forget whether you like LW or not, it’s technically one of the dumbest trades ever. We basically gave away two picks as charity because LW will still hit the open market as a FA. Giving away those picks gives us absolutely no additional leverage to have a better chance to sign LW. I would absolutely love to hear him try to explain this idiocy in a press conference.
Can't we tag LW though? Isn't there a franchise tag and also a transition tag of some sort we can use? Considering the massive amount of cap room the Giants have and the fact they more than likely will not be using every cent of it, is it really such a bad thing to give LW the Franchise tag, keep him on, see what he does before we give him a long term contract? The tag wouldn't affect cap in 2021 and forward which I think is hugely important, the last thing we want is making big long term deals that we have to exit and get strapped with dead cap (as we've seen so much of the last 2 years).
So yes, they can franchise LW, burn a third of their cap space, lock in their underachieving new toy for another year and piss away cap flexibility for a one-year deal.
Even if that's worth something to you, it still doesn't justify the asinine trade. And the fact that they had to restructure Ellison after the deadline tells me that DG intended to have other moves which would probably have offset the LW draft picks to some extent (and almost definitely would have given some cap room to take on LW without a restructure for Ellison), but missed out for whatever reason.
Although it's entirely possible that I'm just assuming that there had to have been some efforts made to trade away AO, JJ, NS, etc. because that's simply the sane and logical thing to do. So I may be giving Gettleman too much credit.
Groundhog Day
I skimmed as much as I could...a lot of us weren’t too busy a few days before Christmas last year. The tone is similar: many are expecting a competitive year in 2020 just as many last year (not me) felt we’d be competitive this year. I looked at the preliminary opponent for 2020. As of today (November 19), it looks like we are destined for another 4-6 win ride. Lucky us.
the QB is not the reason they are losing games. We arent losing 14-6 like Chicago is doing right now. Were losing 34-27.
Every team with a good record right now has a top ranked D.
comparing young QBs around the NFL and talking about record is meaningless if you dont look at where the defenses are ranked
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Gettleman is so freakin delusional.
[quote] "It’s about winning and I’ve seen someone told one of the reporters I’m in the teardown," Gettleman said recently. "We’re not spending $62.5 million on Nate Solder, spending the money on [28-year-old guard] Patrick Omameh, we’re not trading for Alec Ogletree. If it’s a teardown, we’re not doing that. We evaluated the roster, we’ve developed a plan moving forward. It’s about winning now. Who wants to lose? I don’t."
That never gets old. I’ve been arguing in another thread that Gettleman needs to do more interviews. And that’s because he doesn’t have a governor switch; and he will ramble on to the point he’ll turn over most of his cards.
Furthermore, I’m fascinated by his insecurity. From the constant resume reminders, defending the Jones pick by saying other teams were desperate for Jones, the ‘Hand of God’ sales pitch for Barkley, the mocking of analytics, etc, the guy inspires no confidence that he’s making sound judgements.
The LW trade really cemented for me that Gettleman is merely flying by the seat of his pants. He’s making up a plan as he goes. Forget whether you like LW or not, it’s technically one of the dumbest trades ever. We basically gave away two picks as charity because LW will still hit the open market as a FA. Giving away those picks gives us absolutely no additional leverage to have a better chance to sign LW. I would absolutely love to hear him try to explain this idiocy in a press conference.
DG impresses me as a guy who is always trying to prove himself right, rather than building a REAL team.
the QB is not the reason they are losing games. We arent losing 14-6 like Chicago is doing right now. Were losing 34-27.
Every team with a good record right now has a top ranked D.
comparing young QBs around the NFL and talking about record is meaningless if you dont look at where the defenses are ranked
They both need work - Giants are just #22 in points scored, too, but you're right that the defense is just abysmal and is holding them back to an enormous degree.
the QB is not the reason they are losing games. We arent losing 14-6 like Chicago is doing right now. Were losing 34-27.
Every team with a good record right now has a top ranked D.
comparing young QBs around the NFL and talking about record is meaningless if you dont look at where the defenses are ranked
They lost three games to teams with losing records: Lions, Cards and Jets. They scored a td in garbage time against the Lions to cut a double digit lead to 5 points. The Jets scored 13 unanswered points to win by 7 as the offense went on vacation for the last 20 minutes of game time. Against the Cards, they cut the deficit to 3, the defense forced a punt and the offense promptly turned it over.
This business that they are losing every game by a few points because of the defense is bullshit. The offense needs work.