Don’t worry, I know the Eli error is over but how come Rivers gets a free pass for being lousy, is considered a HOF and yet never played in a Super Bowl, let alone won 2. Eli & gt; Rivers
That 4th pick literally saved my Fantasy Butt tonight.
My opponent was up 121.9 to 121 with the Chargers driving. I had Hunter Henry and he had Rivers and Gordon. Eckler was in that final series and Gordon was out and unless Rivers threw a TD pass to Hunter I was dead in the water until....
He threw his 4th pick and I end up winning 121 to 119.9
W O W
W O W
W O W
Rivers played hurt but he played poorly in that AFCC Â
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
Come on. Rivers played in San Diego weather and consistently had more talent around him.
The collective insecurity of Giants fans is sad... Â
which bought him time early this season to not seem like hes done. a national dud like last night, and general poor play this season, will bring forward the "chargers need to move on" discussion.
Hopefully both the Chargers and Steelers lose enough games to stay close to the Giants so that they can trade up with NY to get their QB of the future - this year's draft will be loaded with QB talent.
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
Come on. Rivers played in San Diego weather and consistently had more talent around him.
Umm no that is not true. People keep blasting Eli's help for his career when it is not true. Eli enjoyed a better defense for the success of his years and had great receivers for the prime of his career. Nicks, Plax, Toomer,Cruz, Mannighmam, OBJ, Shepard. Besides Keenan Allen and Gates for Rivers majority of his career who are the other receivers that were great or even recognized?
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
Better than Eli ever was? Ridiculous. I am guessing the junior in your handle is for Junior Seau? You must be a Chargers fan or this makes no sense to me.
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
Come on. Rivers played in San Diego weather and consistently had more talent around him.
Umm no that is not true. People keep blasting Eli's help for his career when it is not true. Eli enjoyed a better defense for the success of his years and had great receivers for the prime of his career. Nicks, Plax, Toomer,Cruz, Mannighmam, OBJ, Shepard. Besides Keenan Allen and Gates for Rivers majority of his career who are the other receivers that were great or even recognized?
You throw out names that we are familiar with as Giants players, but then only drop Allen and Gates for the Chargers. It is intellectually dishonest to imply that Rivers had only 2 known receivers for his career. Just look at the chart linked below and reverse sort the "From" column. Go ahead and cherry-pick every receiver that had over 1000 yards receiving from 2004 to present. The list is longer than 2 players. Chargers Best Receivers - ( New Window )
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
The troll who is here solely to shit on Eli shows up again - sounding once more like a complete imbecile.
Only because of a one-trick donkey. I think that most disturbing thing about this thread is the realization that there must be a Senior22 out there somewhere. [Shudder]
but he really has had a nice career. I think he is like 3rd with most wins ever at QB without a super bowl. Some very good numbers as well.
His 2019 season has shown plenty of signs of decline...in the last several weeks he has been throwing awkwardly high with passes and putting the ball way too much in harms way. Actually seems to be a bit desperate with his game and is pressing it too much downfield.
NFL is facing an interesting issue coming up over next few years Â
in that they need to remake how they influence playoff elite teams. Ever notice they always feature a big name, long standing elite QB? when these guys are gone, who are the next guys? Brady is looking like he is near done, etc..
Really enjoyed seeing him throw a pass into his lineman's helmet Â
in that they need to remake how they influence playoff elite teams. Ever notice they always feature a big name, long standing elite QB? when these guys are gone, who are the next guys? Brady is looking like he is near done, etc..
Mahomes, Russell Wilson, maybe Watson and possibly Lamar Jackson until he ends up too beat up. Maybe Baker gets there, maybe DJ or Kyler Murray does. The NFL doesn't have a QB issue. There are more guys that can play than ever before.
We're seeing a changing of the guard at quarterback. Â
I've always hammered the "QBs are done by age 39" point, but he's still putting up numbers at 40. He's looking just a little bit shaky though, with the injury and some dud games here and there. I sense an early playoff flame-out.
Brady and Moon still remain the ageless wonders in the context of NFL history.
For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
All you do is bash Eli. You are the king hater. No way Rivers is better than Eli. The past 6 years look at the weapons Rivers had; LT, Keenan Allen, Gordon, Gates, Hunter Henry, etc, plus a good OL. Are you kidding me, compare that with the crap Eli has had
It can be debated who is better but I think both franchises are happy with who they ended up with.
I would go with Eli simply because he won the big game. San Diego had some down years post 2011 but nowhere near as bad as the Giants in the talent department. I wonder how people would have viewed the debate had Eli had even a mediocre line post 2011.
One thing I am certain is Eli was perfect for this market. Rivers and Ben both would have hard a hard time imo.
Would be interesting if they wanted to trade up for a QB Â
It can be debated who is better but I think both franchises are happy with who they ended up with.
I would go with Eli simply because he won the big game. San Diego had some down years post 2011 but nowhere near as bad as the Giants in the talent department. I wonder how people would have viewed the debate had Eli had even a mediocre line post 2011.
One thing I am certain is Eli was perfect for this market. Rivers and Ben both would have hard a hard time imo.
I've always hammered the "QBs are done by age 39" point, but he's still putting up numbers at 40. He's looking just a little bit shaky though, with the injury and some dud games here and there. I sense an early playoff flame-out.
Brady and Moon still remain the ageless wonders in the context of NFL history.
Brees is putting up numbers because his offense is amazing. He plays a very limited game, especially in the second half of the season the last few years, and would be worse if he didn't play in a Dome. The arm strenght just isn't there.
Just ask Phil if he would have traded his stats/wins with Eli. No way was Phil the better QB. Very good but not better than Eli.
What do you expect Phil to say?
Phil had a better arm than Eli, was a better athlete than Eli, and played in an era where it was much more challenging to play the position.
Phil is haunted by the '90 season. He was having an MVP season before he got hurt. If he was the one who beat the 9ers and Bills, he'd be in Canton by now. He still should be but for some reason he just gets lost in the sauce...
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He has had a solid career though. Started off with a STACKED team, thus the early success over Eli.
But he didn't, and never has, elevated players around him over an entire season and most notably in big games.
I'm willing to bet the Chargers have more 'one-score' losses under Rivers than any other team. Surely not all his fault, but he is a huuuuge contributor.
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in the upcoming draft, considering we'll be sitting up there most likely.
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
Technically it was a single 1, a 3, and a 5. We essentially just swapped places from 4 to 1 (or players by that point, as it were).
In this draft, yes I would gladly take that.
Technically, I was referring to a transaction in which we'd be giving up our own #1, so I felt pretty confident that it was clearly implied within what I posted (as it were).
But it would be over two drafts. You know, technically speaking.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Would be interesting if they wanted to trade up for a QB Â
in the upcoming draft, considering we'll be sitting up there most likely.
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
Technically it was a single 1, a 3, and a 5. We essentially just swapped places from 4 to 1 (or players by that point, as it were).
In this draft, yes I would gladly take that.
Technically, I was referring to a transaction in which we'd be giving up our own #1, so I felt pretty confident that it was clearly implied within what I posted (as it were).
But it would be over two drafts. You know, technically speaking.
Do you consider the Jet trading down from 3 to 6 with the Colts last year as giving up a 1st?
He has had a solid career though. Started off with a STACKED team, thus the early success over Eli.
But he didn't, and never has, elevated players around him over an entire season and most notably in big games.
He also started out when the Pats were becoming the Pats and the Colts were loaded with Manning. And Pittsburgh was loaded, especially on D. Which made it an easier for Roeth to step in. So let's not act like San Diego stood alone in talent.
In back to back years, '07 and '08, Rivers beat Manning and the Colts, once in Indy and once in San Diego. He was brilliant in that game in Indy. Those were very good wins.
And let's be honest, at playoff time no one is confusing Schottenheimer and Turner with Walsh and Belichick. ;)
Especially Marty. The poor guy was just cursed in the playoffs...
of the 26 modern day QBs to make the HOF they all have either won a Super Bowl or been 1st team all-pro.
Ben and Eli qualify.
Rivers does not.
Rivers belongs in the hall of very good with Tony Romo and Jim Everett.
Not so sure that drawing the line at "having at least on SB victory or at least one 1st team all pro selection" is a good and reasonable standard for making the HOF.
When critics of Eli will take a shot at his candidacy, things like .500 career winning % and a really mediocre lifetime passer rating compared with his top peers - guys like Romo and Rivers - are two prime examples of arbitrary stats that don't support Eli, but do support others as noted.
I think the judgement needs to be more subjective, for all candidates.
Before the season many on here and a bunch of pundits claimed they were a top-shelf team vying for an SB spot.
Rivers is a much to blame as anything else for their failures this year
He's definitely struggled. And they have lost some tight games. They haven't lost a game by more than 7 and as close as 2. Rivers just hasn't been able to get over the hump.
He also started out when the Pats were becoming the Pats and the Colts were loaded with Manning. And Pittsburgh was loaded, especially on D. Which made it an easier for Roeth to step in. So let's not act like San Diego stood alone in talent.
In back to back years, '07 and '08, Rivers beat Manning and the Colts, once in Indy and once in San Diego. He was brilliant in that game in Indy. Those were very good wins.
You ever notice that Rivers never gets ascribed blame for the chargers missing the playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons?
So he played when Manning and Brady did. He also played when the Raiders had Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Walter, Kerry Collins, Jason Campbell and Terrelle Pryor. He played when the Chiefs had Trent Green, Brodie Croyle and Matt Cassel. He played when the Broncos had Jake Plummer, Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler and Tim Tebow.
And the Chargers haven';t won the division since 2010. We all know how bw felt about eli. Yet last season we heard about Rivers, MVP type season.
He also had a great year last year - you can’t take that away from him. But this year he’s garbage.
Hey, Mrs. Rivers! It's a vagina, not a clown car!
And is well known to be hyper competitive
It’s the respect he gets from the rest of the league that makes him a better player than what the record and stats indicate.
My opponent was up 121.9 to 121 with the Chargers driving. I had Hunter Henry and he had Rivers and Gordon. Eckler was in that final series and Gordon was out and unless Rivers threw a TD pass to Hunter I was dead in the water until....
He threw his 4th pick and I end up winning 121 to 119.9
W O W
W O W
W O W
Come on. Rivers played in San Diego weather and consistently had more talent around him.
Once a Giant, always a Giant!
Eli is done
Ben is done
Hopefully both the Chargers and Steelers lose enough games to stay close to the Giants so that they can trade up with NY to get their QB of the future - this year's draft will be loaded with QB talent.
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For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
Come on. Rivers played in San Diego weather and consistently had more talent around him.
Umm no that is not true. People keep blasting Eli's help for his career when it is not true. Eli enjoyed a better defense for the success of his years and had great receivers for the prime of his career. Nicks, Plax, Toomer,Cruz, Mannighmam, OBJ, Shepard. Besides Keenan Allen and Gates for Rivers majority of his career who are the other receivers that were great or even recognized?
Better than Eli ever was? Ridiculous. I am guessing the junior in your handle is for Junior Seau? You must be a Chargers fan or this makes no sense to me.
Eli is done
Ben is done
From what i've been seeing I think you can add Tom Brady to this list.
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For this year, he was great last year and is a better qb than eli ever was. Eli enjoyed more playoff success but he was not a better qb period. It is time for the chargers to get new qb. Giants should have gotten rid of eli 3years ago and today they might have been a better team but when you wait you get what we have been the last 4years
Come on. Rivers played in San Diego weather and consistently had more talent around him.
Umm no that is not true. People keep blasting Eli's help for his career when it is not true. Eli enjoyed a better defense for the success of his years and had great receivers for the prime of his career. Nicks, Plax, Toomer,Cruz, Mannighmam, OBJ, Shepard. Besides Keenan Allen and Gates for Rivers majority of his career who are the other receivers that were great or even recognized?
You throw out names that we are familiar with as Giants players, but then only drop Allen and Gates for the Chargers. It is intellectually dishonest to imply that Rivers had only 2 known receivers for his career. Just look at the chart linked below and reverse sort the "From" column. Go ahead and cherry-pick every receiver that had over 1000 yards receiving from 2004 to present. The list is longer than 2 players.
Chargers Best Receivers - ( New Window )
The troll who is here solely to shit on Eli shows up again - sounding once more like a complete imbecile.
Keep up the great work!
Then you throw in his classmates Eli and Ben have both achieved much more.
All of the HOFs are getting diluted
Only because of a one-trick donkey. I think that most disturbing thing about this thread is the realization that there must be a Senior22 out there somewhere. [Shudder]
for saying billy big mouth vagina?
Ben and Eli qualify.
Rivers does not.
Rivers belongs in the hall of very good with Tony Romo and Jim Everett.
His 2019 season has shown plenty of signs of decline...in the last several weeks he has been throwing awkwardly high with passes and putting the ball way too much in harms way. Actually seems to be a bit desperate with his game and is pressing it too much downfield.
Mahomes, Russell Wilson, maybe Watson and possibly Lamar Jackson until he ends up too beat up. Maybe Baker gets there, maybe DJ or Kyler Murray does. The NFL doesn't have a QB issue. There are more guys that can play than ever before.
Brady and Moon still remain the ageless wonders in the context of NFL history.
All you do is bash Eli. You are the king hater. No way Rivers is better than Eli. The past 6 years look at the weapons Rivers had; LT, Keenan Allen, Gordon, Gates, Hunter Henry, etc, plus a good OL. Are you kidding me, compare that with the crap Eli has had
I would go with Eli simply because he won the big game. San Diego had some down years post 2011 but nowhere near as bad as the Giants in the talent department. I wonder how people would have viewed the debate had Eli had even a mediocre line post 2011.
One thing I am certain is Eli was perfect for this market. Rivers and Ben both would have hard a hard time imo.
I would go with Eli simply because he won the big game. San Diego had some down years post 2011 but nowhere near as bad as the Giants in the talent department. I wonder how people would have viewed the debate had Eli had even a mediocre line post 2011.
One thing I am certain is Eli was perfect for this market. Rivers and Ben both would have hard a hard time imo.
The Chargers offensive line has been just as bad.
Brady and Moon still remain the ageless wonders in the context of NFL history.
Brees is putting up numbers because his offense is amazing. He plays a very limited game, especially in the second half of the season the last few years, and would be worse if he didn't play in a Dome. The arm strenght just isn't there.
It's a good year to have a top 5 pick and not have to use it on a QB.
It's going to be a sellers market at the top of that draft.
What do you expect Phil to say?
Phil had a better arm than Eli, was a better athlete than Eli, and played in an era where it was much more challenging to play the position.
Phil is haunted by the '90 season. He was having an MVP season before he got hurt. If he was the one who beat the 9ers and Bills, he'd be in Canton by now. He still should be but for some reason he just gets lost in the sauce...
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
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in the upcoming draft, considering we'll be sitting up there most likely.
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
They wanted Osi. I want Bosa! :-)
But he didn't, and never has, elevated players around him over an entire season and most notably in big games.
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in the upcoming draft, considering we'll be sitting up there most likely.
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
Technically it was a single 1, a 3, and a 5. We essentially just swapped places from 4 to 1 (or players by that point, as it were).
In this draft, yes I would gladly take that.
But he didn't, and never has, elevated players around him over an entire season and most notably in big games.
I'm willing to bet the Chargers have more 'one-score' losses under Rivers than any other team. Surely not all his fault, but he is a huuuuge contributor.
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in the upcoming draft, considering we'll be sitting up there most likely.
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
Technically it was a single 1, a 3, and a 5. We essentially just swapped places from 4 to 1 (or players by that point, as it were).
In this draft, yes I would gladly take that.
Technically, I was referring to a transaction in which we'd be giving up our own #1, so I felt pretty confident that it was clearly implied within what I posted (as it were).
But it would be over two drafts. You know, technically speaking.
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in the upcoming draft, considering we'll be sitting up there most likely.
Would you take two #1's, a #3 and a #5?
Technically it was a single 1, a 3, and a 5. We essentially just swapped places from 4 to 1 (or players by that point, as it were).
In this draft, yes I would gladly take that.
Technically, I was referring to a transaction in which we'd be giving up our own #1, so I felt pretty confident that it was clearly implied within what I posted (as it were).
But it would be over two drafts. You know, technically speaking.
Do you consider the Jet trading down from 3 to 6 with the Colts last year as giving up a 1st?
But he didn't, and never has, elevated players around him over an entire season and most notably in big games.
He also started out when the Pats were becoming the Pats and the Colts were loaded with Manning. And Pittsburgh was loaded, especially on D. Which made it an easier for Roeth to step in. So let's not act like San Diego stood alone in talent.
In back to back years, '07 and '08, Rivers beat Manning and the Colts, once in Indy and once in San Diego. He was brilliant in that game in Indy. Those were very good wins.
And let's be honest, at playoff time no one is confusing Schottenheimer and Turner with Walsh and Belichick. ;)
Especially Marty. The poor guy was just cursed in the playoffs...
Rivers is a much to blame as anything else for their failures this year
Rivers is a much to blame as anything else for their failures this year
He's a couple of weeks away from his 38th birthday. That seems to be when QBs from 2004 hit the wall, I guess.
And Eli is 0-4 against the Chargers!
Ben and Eli qualify.
Rivers does not.
Rivers belongs in the hall of very good with Tony Romo and Jim Everett.
Not so sure that drawing the line at "having at least on SB victory or at least one 1st team all pro selection" is a good and reasonable standard for making the HOF.
When critics of Eli will take a shot at his candidacy, things like .500 career winning % and a really mediocre lifetime passer rating compared with his top peers - guys like Romo and Rivers - are two prime examples of arbitrary stats that don't support Eli, but do support others as noted.
I think the judgement needs to be more subjective, for all candidates.
Rivers is a much to blame as anything else for their failures this year
He's definitely struggled. And they have lost some tight games. They haven't lost a game by more than 7 and as close as 2. Rivers just hasn't been able to get over the hump.
In back to back years, '07 and '08, Rivers beat Manning and the Colts, once in Indy and once in San Diego. He was brilliant in that game in Indy. Those were very good wins.
You ever notice that Rivers never gets ascribed blame for the chargers missing the playoffs 7 out of 8 seasons?
So he played when Manning and Brady did. He also played when the Raiders had Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Walter, Kerry Collins, Jason Campbell and Terrelle Pryor. He played when the Chiefs had Trent Green, Brodie Croyle and Matt Cassel. He played when the Broncos had Jake Plummer, Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler and Tim Tebow.
And the Chargers haven';t won the division since 2010. We all know how bw felt about eli. Yet last season we heard about Rivers, MVP type season.
LOL