Two federal prison guards, who were on duty at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in mid-August when financier Jeffrey Epstein was found dead, were charged on Tuesday in connection with their alleged failure to properly check on Epstein as ordered.
Why it matters: These are the first charges to emerge from a criminal inquiry into Epstein's death, which has prompted investigations and the removal of the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
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is walking around as a free woman?
is walking around as a free woman?
I think she's in hiding. There was a photo put out by one of her associates that showed her sitting at an In-n-Out in Los Angeles, but it looks like it was faked. Methinks she knows she's in deep shit if she isn't dead.
not surprised by this comment. You, overseer, and jiminfairfax wanted to get my other thread on this railroaded from the start. Not sure why you support pedos.
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I just wish there was an investigation that was trying to get to the bottom of this and not accepting the corrupt and blind story that ... wait, shit looks there is. What else is there now to complain about?
not surprised by this comment. You, overseer, and jiminfairfax wanted to get my other thread on this railroaded from the start. Not sure why you support pedos.
Bwahhahahha. I really appreciate when the whackadoos shake out. Good context for future conversation.
Criminal proceedings against characters involved will shine an investigatory light on the matter. If something more sordid occurred, this is a good thing.
You do agree this is a good thing right? There wasn't enough scrutiny by authorities and this needs to be looked into further?
"No. 1, there was gross negligence and a total failure of BOP to do its job with a prisoner on suicide watch that led to Epstein committing suicide," he said. "Or No. 2, something far worse happened, that it was not suicide but rather a homicide carried out by a person or persons who wanted Epstein silenced. Either one of those is completely unacceptable. Both of those are profound indictments of BOP and our federal incarceration system.”
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is walking around as a free woman?
I think she's in hiding. There was a photo put out by one of her associates that showed her sitting at an In-n-Out in Los Angeles, but it looks like it was faked. Methinks she knows she's in deep shit if she isn't dead.
She’s untouchable and protected. That in-n-out photo was strange; cryptically photoshopped, and in it she was reading a book about espionage. After all, her dad was famous “super spy” Robert Maxwel - there’s speculation that she’s also an IC asset , but not necessarily one of ours.
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Suicide?
Too coincidental. They will find their bodies burned and the NY ME will go w spontaneous combustion.
Me thinks that the AG is able to do his job. He is significantly more capable than those who held the position since....well he was AG last time.
But, let's wait to see what happens. There are opposing views on his death(I lean to "assisted" suicide, also). I'd love to see how this fully plays out, and I mean fully. Pretty obvious Prince Andrew is toast...
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Anyone with 2 working Brain cells knows that. The People that ended his life are above the Attorney Generals pay grade for him to do anything. Most realize that.These guards will be prosecuted for not doing their job. Thats as far as this will go. The good that comes from this is a few more folks will question the Horse Shit they have been fed about most everything. At least for a few weeks.
Me thinks that the AG is able to do his job. He is significantly more capable than those who held the position since....well he was AG last time.
But, let's wait to see what happens. There are opposing views on his death(I lean to "assisted" suicide, also). I'd love to see how this fully plays out, and I mean fully. Pretty obvious Prince Andrew is toast...
Not to get too political but....you're referring to the current AG William Barr, correct? As the most competent AG since himself in the 90s?
Alrighty then. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Not to get too political but....you're referring to the current AG William Barr, correct? As the most competent AG since himself in the 90s?
Alrighty then. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
That is fine. At least Barr got proactive and fired the BOP boss within days, that is why I am hopeful.
You were right - I actually liked Janet Reno.
You know, not everything is political. Sometimes people can actually have preferences not based on red and blue. If you noticed I trashed each flavor.
Here's one candidate....
is walking around as a free woman?
She's tied to the intelligence community.
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Anyone with 2 working Brain cells knows that. The People that ended his life are above the Attorney Generals pay grade for him to do anything. Most realize that.These guards will be prosecuted for not doing their job. Thats as far as this will go. The good that comes from this is a few more folks will question the Horse Shit they have been fed about most everything. At least for a few weeks.
Me thinks that the AG is able to do his job. He is significantly more capable than those who held the position since....well he was AG last time.
But, let's wait to see what happens. There are opposing views on his death(I lean to "assisted" suicide, also). I'd love to see how this fully plays out, and I mean fully. Pretty obvious Prince Andrew is toast...
Not to get too political but....you're referring to the current AG William Barr, correct? As the most competent AG since himself in the 90s?
Alrighty then. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Pretty much says it all about our politicians that Epstein operated openly during previous administrations.
"No. 1, there was gross negligence and a total failure of BOP to do its job with a prisoner on suicide watch that led to Epstein committing suicide," he said. "Or No. 2, something far worse happened, that it was not suicide but rather a homicide carried out by a person or persons who wanted Epstein silenced. Either one of those is completely unacceptable. Both of those are profound indictments of BOP and our federal incarceration system.” Link - ( New Window )
Or no 3, he's still alive.
Given Epstein's suspected clients list, it's impossible to say who gave the order.
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...Rudy's fingerprints all over it.
How's that? What previous 'secret murders' have Rudy Giuliani been accused of?
Given Epstein's suspected clients list, it's impossible to say who gave the order.
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Exactly. You have a criminal with high profile connections and potential accomplices facing a lifetime in jail.
Now said criminal dies in what should have been a supervised environment. A thorough investigation is warranted. Sounds like that's happening. Congress and the FBI are involved.
Three weeks before he died he's found injured with signs of an attempted suicide. He's put in a suicide protocol. He's evaluated by a psychiatrist.
Now my logical side says self, either this man was suicidal or his life was critically threatened. If it's the latter, he doesn't go to the authorities, the mental health worker, or his attorney?
If it's the former, is it really surprising this man killed himself?
A: They are 3 things that don't hang themselves.
not sure where you're going with this, but Epstein died in the MCC which is a federal prison and thus run by the federal Bureau of Prisons, which is part of the U.S. Department of Justice, at the top of which at the time of Epstein's death was AG William Barr, so I think that's the answer to your question as you've posed it. But again - not sure what you're suggesting by it.
Normally I'd agree with you - but the complete lack of oversight for a guy who the entire world was watching, who narrowly escaped death only weeks earlier - is just too much to overlook. I'm just surprised they didn't say someone left the front door to the jail open and he managed to escape.
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such certainty, as if they have inside information about Epstein’s death. He may have been murdered, or he may have offed himself as a result of a couple of guards slacking off. Either is possible, but everyone here acts as if they know the answer. It’s our conspiracy mentality.
Normally I'd agree with you - but the complete lack of oversight for a guy who the entire world was watching, who narrowly escaped death only weeks earlier - is just too much to overlook. I'm just surprised they didn't say someone left the front door to the jail open and he managed to escape.
The genesis of most conspiracy theories, as I've seen them, is the natural reluctance to accept simple human incompetency is at the core of many unbelievable events.
Plenty of people had a reason to want Epstein dead. It's worth a rigorous investigation, and if any evidence north of a meme is availed, so be it.
This one was speculated as soon as the guy was arrested and then came to fruition. It's like thinking a mob boss is going to get whacked only to hear he choked on a piece of salami at the deli and sprung 15 piercings while trying to save himself.....
You're pretty naive and not too aware of how the world works if you don't know things are not as they appear.
This one was speculated as soon as the guy was arrested and then came to fruition. It's like thinking a mob boss is going to get whacked only to hear he choked on a piece of salami at the deli and sprung 15 piercings while trying to save himself.....
But you would agree a coward facing down a lifetime behind bars as a child predator would also be a good candidate to take his own life. And that after having attempted to take his own life weeks before, it is a decent alternative to an unknown assailant of which there is literally no credible evidence exists, right?
Yes. A suicide is possible (and that's if one believes the first "attempt" was actually made). If one were to believe the reports, suicide was a credible threat. Epstein was on suicide watch with constant monitoring.
So then he ends up dead while guards aren't monitoring him (enough to be charged with a crime), cameras that normally record weren't recording and checks that were supposed to be happening didn't happen.
Conspiracy theories start with an outlandish premise and force people to take huge leaps in logic to buy into them. Neither exists in this case. Him being murdered is as plausible as any other result.
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theories happen after the event.
This one was speculated as soon as the guy was arrested and then came to fruition. It's like thinking a mob boss is going to get whacked only to hear he choked on a piece of salami at the deli and sprung 15 piercings while trying to save himself.....
But you would agree a coward facing down a lifetime behind bars as a child predator would also be a good candidate to take his own life. And that after having attempted to take his own life weeks before, it is a decent alternative to an unknown assailant of which there is literally no credible evidence exists, right?
Why not wait until you're going to be behind bars for the rest of your life instead of just the possibility? Who benefits from his death before a trial? Certainly not Epstein.
My guess is neither will do any time, and despite losing their jobs, they will quietly be living large soon.
Sure... unless placing him on suicide watch initially was all part of setting the table for his fake suicide.
Who decides whether he is suicidal? OR.. maybe they knew someone would try to kill him and it was really a murder watch, not a suicide watch.
I'm not saying the dude killed himself. I'm saying the prospect he did isn't a wild improbability.
Now is it a wild improbability a guy who's got dangerous secrets about powerful people gets whacked in prison? Of course not.
The difficult hurdle, and a serious investigation is rightfully being executed, is lots of normal people are about to getting their live's really screwed over. Are they all willing to do this, presumably out of fear or money, to protect a killer? A killer there is literally no evidence exists.
I'm not saying the dude killed himself. I'm saying the prospect he did isn't a wild improbability.
Now is it a wild improbability a guy who's got dangerous secrets about powerful people gets whacked in prison? Of course not.
The difficult hurdle, and a serious investigation is rightfully being executed, is lots of normal people are about to getting their live's really screwed over. Are they all willing to do this, presumably out of fear or money, to protect a killer? A killer there is literally no evidence exists.
Shame probably doesn't enter the equation, as you said.
The realization that his money and power weren't going to get him out of this one and the likelihood of spending the rest of his life in jail as a bottom rather than a top certainly did.