Coaches that develop talent and DG's vision

Coaches be more responsible for development?

Maybe but he hired them. Head Coach is the CEO. Buck stops with him.

In comment 14683930 malslayer said:

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Maybe but he hired them. Head Coach is the CEO. Buck stops with him.

This. The head coach is responsible for the output of his staff.

Without learning how to use the run blocking to leverage offensive line play for the pass.

OR-

Somehow they failed to realise that zone blocking the run game might be easier to achieve and a better set up for pass, and ergo recruited linesmen without taking those skills into consideration including at tight end and even running back

Possibly hired a DC without the unit coaches to fit his system.

are definitely very supsect hires, typical Giants hires of key personnel without a resume.

its a problem here.

Its not like there's no "game film" on him. He is a dog shit level head coach.

That by learning and carrying concepts forward year to year that lesser coaches could be had, assuming that such a book of concepts would guide the new hires. (Mittenedman got me going in this possibility)

It could be that such a practice has actually scared the best, most proven coaches away.

It could be that league trends have outpaced some of those concepts .

It could be time to hire a really great proven head coach, one with the ability to flex to today's game, and authorise him and his DC or OC fully.

My guess is that successful organisations blend pure dictatorship in core decisions with a very collegial and humble and hilariously open way of discourse.

Contrast that with "the emperor has no cloths" type situations where neither are things openly discussed (out of fear of not being accepted as comments) nor where coaches have requisit authority.

If true, the worst of both worlds.

This avoids sentimental friendships getting in the way.
This allows the GM to fire non-performing coaches.
This allows the GM to perform in depth background and performance evaluations and to hire the very best position coaches not just the ones the HC knows and is familiar with.

Have been in most games since the insertion of Jones at quarterback with chances to win late in games.

Closing games is the hardest step to take, but to say there is no improvement is not necessarily accurate

In comment 14684034 joeinpa said:

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Have been in most games since the insertion of Jones at quarterback with chances to win late in games. Closing games is the hardest step to take, but to say there is no improvement is not necessarily accurate

What the hell are you talking about? Don't we kind of need to be ahead to learn to close the game out? We've lost 5 games by 2 td's or more, laughingly cut up to the tune of double digits by every team we've played that has a winning record. Oh, and don't blame the defense entirely. Our top point production in those 5 games was 18.

Of the rest, we lost by 5 to the Lions who have a losing record, 6 to the Cardinals who have a losing record, 7 to the Jets who have a losing record. The grand total of other teams beaten by the Lions, Cardinals and Jets combined= 6

We beat Tampa which has a losing record by 1 (thank you Tampa kicker) and our sole triumph, shellacking the mighty Redskins by 21.

Certainly, our opponents have had no issue closing the game out. We currently own the NFL's second longest losing streak this year- 6. The Bungles have lost 10.

This is an improvement??!!

There’s talent on both sides of the ball, better coaching would develop and utilize it better. Shurmur lost me the first quarter of the Cards game. To have them kick our ass they first quarter was and is inexcusable. The head coach is responsible to have his team ready to play. He didn’t.

is very flawed. The football HC is unique in that he is the manager with the most impact on team performance in any sport or organization. Ideally you need almost an obsequiese GM to cater to your HC, and how often do you get that.

Joeinpa

Curious as to what you are seeing as improvement. I am truly curious as I want to see it.

All I see is

LB -- outside of connely, underperforming veterans with Betcher scheme experience, would have expected Lo Carter to be more disruptive
DL -- outside of Lawrence, carry forwards from last year's draft class (not counting williams)
CB -- Jenkins has more or less been solid, are starting to see some improvement with Baker, but it seems like it is taking forever for him to develop.
S -- Bethea another Betcher vet, and Peppers

Looking at this we have been mostly healthy on the D side of the ball, and still giving up points at a worst 3 defense rate.

Offense?

QB -- fumbles, sacks, no rollouts, his toughness isn't developed he had it from his Duke days.
RB -- Barkley has regressed
WR -- Shep has been hurt, Tate should be producing like he is for the $$ a vet like him is getting, who else has he developed?
TE -- Engram hurt now but how has he been featured, 1st rd pick, mismatch on the lb, not schemed or featured. Asking him to stay in and block. ugh
OL -- Solder regressed, Hernandez flat from last year, Halapio regressed, Zeitler expensive guard should produce, right tackle n/a (depth?)
Special Teams
Rosas had a phenomenal year last year, so a few misses this year I'm not gunna kill him
Punter hasn't lost us games.

Where is the flash of talent, big plays examples of things going right consistently with our "core"? Who even is it?

I don't see us "heading in the right direction" even if we squeak out a couple of more wins to close the season.

In comment 14683965 Ben in Tampa said:

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its a problem here. Its not like there's no "game film" on him. He is a dog shit level head coach.

I get it that he isn't good but using Cleveland as a supporting point is stupid. Even BB lost there. Shurmer's record as a HC should only be evaluated here, which is still bad. I do think next year will be better regardless. With the available money for free agency any coach, including PS will have more success. See Mcadoo in 2015. You mean to tell me Coughlin wouldn't have been just as successful with that roster?

They still need to win their one on one battles. Coaching isn't always at fault for that. Both line play is responsible for the rest of the units not being able to execute.

if anyone has began to realize that NY Giants are a coaching and job killer for offensive lineman unless you are drafted or a FA looking for a job prior to departing the NFL. We cover the extreme spectrums and not the norm ....that is what you see.