John Fox as HC with Jim Caldwell as the OC and a you up and coming coach (Chase Blackburn) running John Fox's defense.Though I will say I do not think Shurmur will be let go unless they finish 3-13 or 2-14.IMO John Fox would be a great choice someone who can coach an entire team not just an OC pretending to be a HC,Jim Caldwell has a great reputation as both a OC and QB coach and would be great for Daniel Jones.Your thoughts guys...any other guys you would like to see if Shurmur is fired at the end of the season.I apologize for any spelling or grammatical errors using my phone while on conference call.
Not to mention the fact that he was a volcano of a dumpster fire in Denver.
I imagine a lot would hinge on the interview.
This and I'm not sure how he would be as a HC. His first attempt failed miserbly. How many BB's coaches have succeeded by themselves as a HC?
I've ruled Rhule out, too. I just don't see it. You listen to him speak and he seems more suited to the college game.
His work at Temple is way overblown and Baylor was going to eventually be good because it's a great institution with a good football history. And the talent rich state of Texas has a TON of prospects who annually want to play there. Once the Briles stink work off, this resurgence was expected. Give Rhule credit for steadying the ship, but that's not a turnaround like Fleck up in Minnesota.
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with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....
This and I'm not sure how he would be as a HC. His first attempt failed miserbly. How many BB's coaches have succeeded by themselves as a HC? I can not remember did Vrabel coach under Belechick? Or did he start coaching in KC?
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This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming.
Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere.
I mentioned on another thread, that Shurmur is 95% not returning. This is from a friend of a friend in the organization. I was not part of the conversation, but it was relayed to me. I'll see the person in the organization over Christmas and hopefully will get me solid info
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This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming.
Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere.
I mentioned on another thread, that Shurmur is 95% not returning. This is from a friend of a friend in the organization. I was not part of the conversation, but it was relayed to me. I'll see the person in the organization over Christmas and hopefully will get me solid info
I can't imagine a better Christmas present. That sounds like the glorious end of a Christmas movie, like finding the firing of Shurnur in the vault of Nakatomi Plaza as Ode to Joy echoes triumphantly down the halls.
[quote] If Shurmer stays are there any interesting assistant coaches that will shake loose? How about Callahan for the OL?.
There is not position coach more important than OL,we need a huge upgrade there.
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In comment 14684054 Tark10 said:
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This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming.
Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere.
I mentioned on another thread, that Shurmur is 95% not returning. This is from a friend of a friend in the organization. I was not part of the conversation, but it was relayed to me. I'll see the person in the organization over Christmas and hopefully will get me solid info
I can't imagine a better Christmas present. That sounds like the glorious end of a Christmas movie, like finding the firing of Shurnur in the vault of Nakatomi Plaza as Ode to Joy echoes triumphantly down the halls.
What a great fucking metaphor.
What? Are you confusing Indy with TN?
But no way would I take him now. The next guy needs to be a winner. No more time for retreads and half measures. And Mara shouldn’t be in on the interview process. He should hire someone else to run the interview process. Of course he would F that up too.
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with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....
What? Are you confusing Indy with TN?
Yes he is. McDaniel never accepted the Tenn job. He did accept the Indy job and then bailed.
But no way would I take him now. The next guy needs to be a winner. No more time for retreads and half measures. And Mara shouldn’t be in on the interview process. He should hire someone else to run the interview process. Of course he would F that up too.
*shitty coaches.
[quote] To gauge the fan bases approval of shorty coaches they are thinking of bringing in? I will however say, he would have been better than Shurmur as a stop gap for a few years.
But no way would I take him now. The next guy needs to be a winner. No more time for retreads and half measures. And Mara shouldn’t be in on the interview process. He should hire someone else to run the interview process. Of course he would F that up too.
Trolls????
its over for those guys.
RHULE or Lincoln Riley or McDaniels
ONLY.
He would be number 1 on my list
the only other one is Steve Belichick .. Bill's son who is I believe db coach and who is calling defensive plays this year
I’m not even sure who I want back on this team anymore other than a 1/2 dozen it’s time to really admit we’re lost and don’t have a true plan. When the trade deadline came and we traded for and not away many lesser talents I was flabbergasted. Those players who we might have gotten something for are proving they truly have no skills left and each loss only weakens whatever value they maybe had. Is coaching really as hard as this staff appears to make it seem?
I would not be deadset against Schwartz but Te underscored the type of coach we really need.
SOMEONE who can manage, teach, and build.
enough with the specialist guys. it hasn't worked for us. We need someone whose got an eye for bringing in actual talent or building a successful coaching staff.
If Te is right about Schwartz having the ability to build a staff that can actually coach and improve the players I would support the hire, because that is what we need.
A specialist that's kept in a glass cage (mcadoo, Shurmur, even Spags) just hasn't worked for us. We need a guy who actually can build a team and staff.
He would be number 1 on my list
the only other one is Steve Belichick .. Bill's son who is I believe db coach and who is calling defensive plays this year
I don't think they'll do it.
he's in an actually interesting spot because who else would you want to help you draft and develop a new QB? some random hot coordinator? college coach? retread?
no... it should be tomlins job, just like it was John harbaughs. and the new QB saved harbaughs job....
This flew under the radar.
I laughed out loud!!
not a shitty game plan, but rather a coverage lapse and I recall Joe Theismann telling Ravens coaches how to exploit the player and the coverage. Our offense did not help, all things considered (Ravens defense).
Would also need to include the GM. The archaic ways of DG are no bueno.
[quote] the op is the line of thinking that put NYG where they are now. It's time to get younger including the coaches and get innovative.
I say again ...the 2 best head coaches in the NFL are also the 2 oldest,age has nothing to do with it.
When would it be a better time for Jones to "start over"?
After this season, or after they waste the 2020 season with Shurmur as head coach?
[quote] the op is the line of thinking that put NYG where they are now. It's time to get younger including the coaches and get innovative.
I say again ...the 2 best head coaches in the NFL are also the 2 oldest,age has nothing to do with it.
No, but your suggestions are proven to not be SB winning caliber coaches.
He's coaching a deep and loaded defense. Put differently, a lot of DCs could coach that D and produce that type of success.
Which brings me to Saleh's personality. He's a big rah-rah guy who has a lot of spirit. That is the attraction...nothing else.
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What can anyone tell me about Robert Saleh. Heard he would be on many others interview list?? Just curious nothing more.
He's coaching a deep and loaded defense. Put differently, a lot of DCs could coach that D and produce that type of success.
Which brings me to Saleh's personality. He's a big rah-rah guy who has a lot of spirit. That is the attraction...nothing else.
Who are the several guys who you think could be both coach and GM?
It's how fans think. Nobody can name any qualified coordinators that haven't been identified by national media, so they go to names they know.