If Shurmur is let go ,what would you thoughts be on...

About john fox being the coach already.

I want to hire someone who has a fresh record, not a retread who’s 60+ (guessing on Fox but if he’s not there he’s close) and has failed in multiple other spots.

McDaniels - who I don’t necessarily want - is a former HC I would give a chance to because he failed when he was young and has taken his medicine the last handful of years.

Jim Harbaugh is another former HC I could live with, he didn’t really fail in SF he burned out. But he wouldn’t be a cultural fit here I’m sure (for whatever all that “culture” is worth). Also I don’t know how you factor in the Michigan run, they haven’t lived up to the hype but I tend to think Michigan football has unrealistic expectations anyway, that’s not an easy place to win.

But John Fox, no thanks. It would be hiring another dinosaur because he once roamed the sidelines at Giants Stadium. Need to get away from that kind of hire.

would be a good hire .... had the Lions trending upward.

Changed the culture and loser mentality.

He got a bum deal from the GM ...

That would be horrendous

John Fox doesn't look healthy at all even if he were an inspiring choice.

but did anyone think Tom Coughlin was an ideal candidate before he was hired?

John Fox ain't bringing that.

It's early and I'm still expecting Shurmur back next year, but if I'm considering replacements my top three names are:

Greg Roman
Josh McDaniels
Matt Rhule

In comment 14684045 Go Terps said:
[quote] John Fox ain't bringing that.

It's early and I'm still expecting Shurmur back next year, but if I'm considering replacements my top three names are:

Greg Roman
Josh McDaniels
Matt Rhule

The Giants need someone with experience that knows how to coach the entire team not just the offense and not just the defense.

In comment 14684051 NYBEN1963 said:

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In comment 14684045 Go Terps said: [quote] John Fox ain't bringing that. It's early and I'm still expecting Shurmur back next year, but if I'm considering replacements my top three names are: Greg Roman Josh McDaniels Matt Rhule The Giants need someone with experience that knows how to coach the entire team not just the offense and not just the defense.

Agreed. I'm done with the coordinator gurus. We need a HC. That is why Rhule is intriguing. He seems very adaptable which is crucial imo.

This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming.

In comment 14684054 Tark10 said:

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This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming.

Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere.

I want whichever Asian kid wins the Madden tournament this year.

In comment 14684054 Tark10 said:

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This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming.

If perpetually terrible teams keep firing coaches and keep struggling, that's not necessarily a reason keep an incompetent coach well past the time he's proven to be incompetent.

In comment 14684051 NYBEN1963 said:

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The Giants need someone with experience that knows how to coach the entire team not just the offense and not just the defense.

I think McDaniels and Rhule will be program builders...not just coaches on one side of the ball. Roman, I'll admit, might be a little riskier. But his offensive scheme is pretty unique and would allow for the Giants to approach resource allocation differently from their competition.

Shurmur will start the 2020 season as HC, after that , anything can happen.

should go but we will see what happens. We just see the games and hear him in press conferences. Mara and Dave see him everyday in practice so they should see how the team is operating, being taught, motivated etc. They most likely know what they are going to with his future.

I think if they are picking a new coach and Mara is involved (boo) they are going to go with someone with demonstrated success in as a NFL HC with the McAdoo and Shurmur failures. Think Garett, Rivera if available.....someone with success as a HC. The wild card would be Rhule (my choice) or another college HC.

with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....

I think Rhule is overblown as a candidate, and I have absolutely no interest in McDaniels whatsoever, or any other Patriots assistant for that matter.

In comment 14684096 section125 said:

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with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....

Not to mention the fact that he was a volcano of a dumpster fire in Denver.

I wonder what McDaniels knew about Indy that never made it public at the time. I thought it was telling the Belichick immediately welcomed him back to be the offensive coordinator.

I imagine a lot would hinge on the interview.

In comment 14684096 section125 said:

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with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....

This and I'm not sure how he would be as a HC. His first attempt failed miserbly. How many BB's coaches have succeeded by themselves as a HC?

In comment 14684100 Greg from LI said:

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I think Rhule is overblown as a candidate, and I have absolutely no interest in McDaniels whatsoever, or any other Patriots assistant for that matter.

I've ruled Rhule out, too. I just don't see it. You listen to him speak and he seems more suited to the college game.

His work at Temple is way overblown and Baylor was going to eventually be good because it's a great institution with a good football history. And the talent rich state of Texas has a TON of prospects who annually want to play there. Once the Briles stink work off, this resurgence was expected. Give Rhule credit for steadying the ship, but that's not a turnaround like Fleck up in Minnesota.

In comment 14684115 Blue21 said:
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with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....



This and I'm not sure how he would be as a HC. His first attempt failed miserbly. How many BB's coaches have succeeded by themselves as a HC? I can not remember did Vrabel coach under Belechick? Or did he start coaching in KC?

I love watching his offense operate. Loved it in SF and Buffalo too. It's good to see a different approach taken, and it would be interesting to see an entire organization buy into it.

Fox is too old...the 2 best coaches in the NFL just happen to be the 2 oldest...just saying

Is Mike McCarthy. His record is hard to deny.

Cowher!!!!

no matter what, Shurmur will be back next season at the very least. Be prepared for a good 3-4 more years minimum of shit football.

In comment 14684061 bluesince56 said:

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In comment 14684054 Tark10 said: Quote: This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming. Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere.

I mentioned on another thread, that Shurmur is 95% not returning. This is from a friend of a friend in the organization. I was not part of the conversation, but it was relayed to me. I'll see the person in the organization over Christmas and hopefully will get me solid info

In comment 14684146 jestersdead said:

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In comment 14684061 bluesince56 said: Quote: In comment 14684054 Tark10 said: Quote: This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming. Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere. I mentioned on another thread, that Shurmur is 95% not returning. This is from a friend of a friend in the organization. I was not part of the conversation, but it was relayed to me. I'll see the person in the organization over Christmas and hopefully will get me solid info

I can't imagine a better Christmas present. That sounds like the glorious end of a Christmas movie, like finding the firing of Shurnur in the vault of Nakatomi Plaza as Ode to Joy echoes triumphantly down the halls.

HC days are over.

If Shurmer stays are there any interesting assistant coaches that will shake loose? How about Callahan for the OL?.

In comment 14684158 Reale01 said:
[quote] If Shurmer stays are there any interesting assistant coaches that will shake loose? How about Callahan for the OL?.


There is not position coach more important than OL,we need a huge upgrade there.

In comment 14684152 santacruzom said:

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In comment 14684146 jestersdead said: Quote: In comment 14684061 bluesince56 said: Quote: In comment 14684054 Tark10 said: Quote: This team was in decay the year they won SB46. That's 5 years with the old management. It will take a bit more time to right the ship. A revolving door of coaches doesn't work. Cleveland has been a fine example. Give it another year to show significant progress. Maybe 8-8 next year with better days coming. Agree. All this talk about new HC’s is a waste of time. He’s not going anywhere. I mentioned on another thread, that Shurmur is 95% not returning. This is from a friend of a friend in the organization. I was not part of the conversation, but it was relayed to me. I'll see the person in the organization over Christmas and hopefully will get me solid info I can't imagine a better Christmas present. That sounds like the glorious end of a Christmas movie, like finding the firing of Shurnur in the vault of Nakatomi Plaza as Ode to Joy echoes triumphantly down the halls.

What a great fucking metaphor.

In comment 14684096 section125 said:

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with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back.....

What? Are you confusing Indy with TN?

To gauge the fan bases approval of shorty coaches they are thinking of bringing in? I will however say, he would have been better than Shurmur as a stop gap for a few years.

But no way would I take him now. The next guy needs to be a winner. No more time for retreads and half measures. And Mara shouldn’t be in on the interview process. He should hire someone else to run the interview process. Of course he would F that up too.

In comment 14684178 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 14684096 section125 said: Quote: with the key to the toilet after what he did to Tennessee, took the job and handed back..... What? Are you confusing Indy with TN?

Yes he is. McDaniel never accepted the Tenn job. He did accept the Indy job and then bailed.

In comment 14684181 bradshaw44 said:

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To gauge the fan bases approval of shorty coaches they are thinking of bringing in? I will however say, he would have been better than Shurmur as a stop gap for a few years. But no way would I take him now. The next guy needs to be a winner. No more time for retreads and half measures. And Mara shouldn’t be in on the interview process. He should hire someone else to run the interview process. Of course he would F that up too.

*shitty coaches.

In comment 14684181 bradshaw44 said:
[quote] To gauge the fan bases approval of shorty coaches they are thinking of bringing in? I will however say, he would have been better than Shurmur as a stop gap for a few years.

But no way would I take him now. The next guy needs to be a winner. No more time for retreads and half measures. And Mara shouldn’t be in on the interview process. He should hire someone else to run the interview process. Of course he would F that up too.

Trolls????

A coach who is going to find and empower awesome coordinators to delegate to for developing systems and game plans and who will deal with macro issues impacting the team: motivation, communication, preparation, player management, game/clock decision making. Fox and Caldwell would be my choices for coordinators but I would want someone else to be the HC. If he is itching to get back to the pros, I’d love to take a kick at the can with Harbaugh as he has had success everywhere he’s been. Between Stanford SAN Fran and Michigan, he’s never coached a losing team and took the 49ers from worst to first overnight.

to boomer re treads.


its over for those guys.


RHULE or Lincoln Riley or McDaniels


ONLY.

he was even smart enough to not cave to the jets pressure

I am praying Steelers completely fall apart and Tomlin is let go

He would be number 1 on my list

the only other one is Steve Belichick .. Bill's son who is I believe db coach and who is calling defensive plays this year

I want one who understands he will and should have kids out there playing and learning. I don’t want to hear about complex defenses or high octane offenses let the guys show their talents or lack of it. I’ve seen enough zone errors and missed assignments or blocks it’s a simple game beat the man across from you for most of 60 minutes. If your play book only has 25-30 plays but it’s geared towards your players skills sets let’s go see who wants it most.

I’m not even sure who I want back on this team anymore other than a 1/2 dozen it’s time to really admit we’re lost and don’t have a true plan. When the trade deadline came and we traded for and not away many lesser talents I was flabbergasted. Those players who we might have gotten something for are proving they truly have no skills left and each loss only weakens whatever value they maybe had. Is coaching really as hard as this staff appears to make it seem?

Paraphrasing: Jim Schwartz makes sense as the next Giants coach. He could have had the job already but he didn't want it because the talent base was weak and he didn't want to work with Gettleman. He'd be more likely to take the job now because Gettleman's job would be next on the line. He touts Schwartz as someone who can build a program.

In comment 14684282 Go Terps said:

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Paraphrasing: Jim Schwartz makes sense as the next Giants coach. He could have had the job already but he didn't want it because the talent base was weak and he didn't want to work with Gettleman. He'd be more likely to take the job now because Gettleman's job would be next on the line. He touts Schwartz as someone who can build a program.

I would not be deadset against Schwartz but Te underscored the type of coach we really need.


SOMEONE who can manage, teach, and build.


enough with the specialist guys. it hasn't worked for us. We need someone whose got an eye for bringing in actual talent or building a successful coaching staff.

If Te is right about Schwartz having the ability to build a staff that can actually coach and improve the players I would support the hire, because that is what we need.

A specialist that's kept in a glass cage (mcadoo, Shurmur, even Spags) just hasn't worked for us. We need a guy who actually can build a team and staff.

In comment 14684235 giantfan2000 said:

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I am praying Steelers completely fall apart and Tomlin is let go He would be number 1 on my list the only other one is Steve Belichick .. Bill's son who is I believe db coach and who is calling defensive plays this year

I don't think they'll do it.


he's in an actually interesting spot because who else would you want to help you draft and develop a new QB? some random hot coordinator? college coach? retread?

no... it should be tomlins job, just like it was John harbaughs. and the new QB saved harbaughs job....

Shurmur is a lock to be back think again ,amid all the heat in the press about Shurmur getting fired I have seen no glowing endorsement from management or the Owners , even Gase has been told will be back and most teams normally set the record straight when this happens ..... Mara said he would like to see improvement and hope when asked about Shurmur when he was hired ...... I don’t know about you guys I see no improvement !

In comment 14684068 OLineWinsRings said:

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I want whichever Asian kid wins the Madden tournament this year.

This flew under the radar.

I laughed out loud!!

Daniel Jones would be starting all over again. Not good. Besides, I know a guy who sez he has a friend who may know someone who sez he has a friend who thought he heard Shurmer may not be back. What horseshit!