Dirty feeling, but I'm hoping we lose out.

But I think it’ll be almost impossible to lose to Washington. That is one of the worst teams I can remember watching.

Asking for a friend.

some wins.

Thank God for that terrible season, otherwise we wouldn't have goten Eli. On the plus side, you suckas don't have to worry about tanking 'cuz the Shurminator is doing a fine job losing already all on his own---au natural baby!

^ This. You can hope otherwise, but this is a double digit loss team no matter what.

This team, especially the young guys on defense, need to start putting things together. There will be a quality player ti be had regardless of where we draft.

This is a young defense with some talent, th at needs to gel. They need to go through yhis rough time and come out the other side

so I don't see the comparison to 03, unless it's being suggested we should dip back into the first round QB market

so a high draft pick with the same leadership doesn't appeal as much.

What I'm hoping for is something that resembles a functional football team, but I'm not holding my breath. Week in, week out, more awful football, from veterans who we know won't be here much longer to rookies who are supposedly gaining 'valuable playing experience' despite looking like absolute horseshit.

You don't need to wish for losing out.

Getting Chase Young, or being in a position to trade down to a team willing to give up a haul for their Franchise QB, could be exactly what this team needs to turn around. That said, as other posters have said, the young guys on this team need a little bit of hope. I really think if we had beaten Dallas last year in week 17, we might have gone into that offseason /this season with a little momentum and hope. That was a fairly crushing loss (as crushing as a loss that has no playoff implications whatsoever can be, that is), and it is clear the disappointment of last season really carried over to this season. That week 17 game in 2018 could have a nice way of getting the bad taste out of our mouths, but I know, I know, this team is bad either way and maybe that game really did mean nothing. All that said, a few wins down the stretch here, including maybe one to close out the season against Philly, could maybe give this team a little bit of life going into 2020.

Actually, here's my ideal scenario: Giants lose out until week 17, including losing to Skins and Dolphins and securing the #2 spot in the draft. I'd also love to see Shurmur fired with a week or 2 to go in the season, but that's just me. THEN-- let's say week 17 is a win and in game for Philly and the Giants pull the massive upset and end their season. Now THAT, would be sweet. And it could absolutely give the young guys the little taste of victory they need. For DJ it would be similar to Eli's week 17 win against Dallas in 2004, although I think DJ already had a little taste of that back in Tampa, but I think he needs one at home and he needs it to close out the season and ruin Philly's playoff hopes. Would love to see it happen with a last minute TD drive as well.

when it comes to draft position, etc etc

However, if the team finishes strong and shows some promise, then maybe a few free agents would not mind coming to the team.

You want to attract players who are hungry to win. Let's face it, if you sign with this team, it is only about the money.

I'm a fan

and learn how to play together. That's where the breakdowns on defense are largely happening, it's growing pains. They need to learn how to win together.

The LB core will need to be bolstered. Personally, even though it's ugly right now, I think this defense is closer than most think.

Most of us knew going in it would be ugly on that side of the ball until the youth movement gets it figured out.

I'm over it. We could still salvage something positive this season.Let's go beat the Iggles and break the jinx that started the day that idiot Plaxico shot himself. I've watched them plenty, they are ripe for the taking. Sweep their ass and I'll be excited for next year. Time to stop thinking like losers

Let’s get chase Young

we're terrible but we're probably at least 50/50 to beat Chicago (who are imploding in real time), Washington (compare the performances against the Jets: we were terrible you'd need to invent a new word to describe how poor they were) and although Miami have improved over the last couple of weeks you'd probably give us a shot there.

I can't see us losing all three, most probably we'll pick up a game against Washington.

In comment 14684226 Milton said:

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The team needs to learn how to win. They need to see that the hard work they put into practice results in wins on Sunday. The last thing you want is for losing to become a habit. Because habits are hard to break. So they need to spend the remainder of the season breaking the losing habit and learning how to win. If they are to be watching the playoffs from their couches at least them be licking their chops thinking had they not gotten off to such a low start it could be them out there, rather than wondering what the hell it's gonna take to get there because they feel miles and miles away. Nothing would be better for the team than finishing 8-8. It won't get them into the playoffs, but think how confident they'll be going into the offseason. Think what'll mean to the team's confidence in Daniel Jones.

Agree get to 8-8 and middle of draft. Learn what they are and hopefully they can come back next yr at say, 6-10 or 8-8.

And learn that 6-10 or 8-8 and avg team is best goal each year in and year out. Don't need high draft picks. It's very over rated.

It'd be great if they learn what winning is once in awhile. The needle is pointing up.

First, don't tell us that you're "hoping we lose out" and then follow that up with... "I'm not rooting for it". I don't fault any Giants fan for thinking "big picture" and hoping the Giants lose out. But you either want the Giants to win all their remaining games or you want them to lose them all. And if you're hoping for all losses, then you're ROOTING for them to lose. (At least own it.)

Second, this notion that the Giants have to win more games this year because they're a young team that needs to "learn how to win" is outdated.

Prior to free agency talented players, including backups, remained the property of their respective NFL teams as long as they could still play. During those years I would agree that a team filled with young players would have needed to "learn how to win" (as a team) to get to the next level, because there was very little player movement.

Now with free agency the NFL is a year-to-year league. Teams like the Rams can be a 4 win team in 2017 and an 11 win team the next year. The Jags were a 3 win team in 2016 and the next year they won 10 games and played in the conference championship, before returning to their losing ways as a 5 win team the following year.

Bad teams don't need to "learn how to win" as a team, because most of those players aren't even going to be there when the team turns it around.

Bad teams start winning when they get better players and better coaches.

Where do you guys come up with this crap. What youre seeing in the defensive backfield right now are players who the light has not come on yet .

It's a lot of blown assignments. This team needs to play its way out of it.

The Jags and other teams you eantg to compare us to, we wish we had the core to build on those bad teams had. We arent the Jags, or the Niners. The 2017 roster was a complete shitshow built on many years of failed drafting.

There was never a quick fix coming out of that. Never

gow bad tbis roster really was. And it was a team in open revolt. There weren't really too many teams in competition with tbe Giants for biggest disaster in tbe league.

This isn't an under 2 seasons fix

This is the first time I’ve rooted for them to lose out. It’s whats necessary to make sure coaching changes are made and lock in the draft position the Giants need.

In comment 14684298 Sneakers O'toole said:

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Where do you guys come up with this crap. What youre seeing in the defensive backfield right now are players who the light has not come on yet . It's a lot of blown assignments. This team needs to play its way out of it. The Jags and other teams you eantg to compare us to, we wish we had the core to build on those bad teams had. We arent the Jags, or the Niners. The 2017 roster was a complete shitshow built on many years of failed drafting. There was never a quick fix coming out of that. Never

Show me where I said that young teams don't need to learn how to put it together in order to become a winning team in the future. Of course they have to figure it out and get better or the else the team needs to replace them.

I simply suggesting that winning more games THIS YEAR is not some required next step to become a winning team in the future.

The NFL is a year-to-year league at this point.

Im tired of it. Getting Chase Young won’t guarantee we return to relevance.

I can’t take these losses....Especially if I’m not seeing progress by our young players.

So, what I,want more than anything is to see PROGRESS which should lead to some more wins....two more at least.

If we lose Chase, so be it. I hope he is not the only important kid to come out of college this year.

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This is the first time I’ve rooted for them to lose out. It’s whats necessary to make sure coaching changes are made and lock in the draft position the Giants need.

This is how I feel too. It's wanting the coach gone as well as getting Young.

If it was only one of those I might feel differently but IMO, they're two things this team desperately needs and the best way to get them is to lose out.

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In comment 14684308 WillVAB said: Quote: This is the first time I’ve rooted for them to lose out. It’s whats necessary to make sure coaching changes are made and lock in the draft position the Giants need. This is how I feel too. It's wanting the coach gone as well as getting Young. If it was only one of those I might feel differently but IMO, they're two things this team desperately needs and the best way to get them is to lose out.

Yup. This whole damned team needs to be blown up, top to bottom.

In comment 14684256 Sneakers O'toole said:

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This team, especially the young guys on defense, need to start putting things together. There will be a quality player ti be had regardless of where we draft. This is a young defense with some talent, th at needs to gel. They need to go through yhis rough time and come out the other side

Totally agree. This whole team will not be trashed this coming off season. So the offense and defense must start to come together. I'm hoping DJ can keep improving and carry this team too victories. Barkley too. And if at least part of the secondary can show they belong it will be great. Sorry but I always cheer for Giant wins.

the Giants are going to do something stupid and win 4 of the last 6

but i really hope i'm wrong.

In comment 14684256 Sneakers O'toole said:

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This team, especially the young guys on defense, need to start putting things together. There will be a quality player ti be had regardless of where we draft. This is a young defense with some talent, th at needs to gel. They need to go through yhis rough time and come out the other side

Intelligent post.

One player cannot turn a franchise around. I think some folks misremember the LT situation. He came into a defense that already had a lot of talent.

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One player cannot turn a franchise around. I think some folks misremember the LT situation. He came into a defense that already had a lot of talent.

One big time player and a new coach who knows how to actually coach, sure would go a long way to turning this shit show around.

No one expects Young to turn this team around all by himself but he sure would have a great impact on the D. There's talent here already, unfortunately we don't have the coaching to get the most out of it.

When we come out down 14-17 in the 1st Qtr three games in a row that screams terrible coaching to me. There are other things too but to see that right at the start is the most obvious.

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In comment 14684298 Sneakers O'toole said: Quote: Where do you guys come up with this crap. What youre seeing in the defensive backfield right now are players who the light has not come on yet . It's a lot of blown assignments. This team needs to play its way out of it. The Jags and other teams you eantg to compare us to, we wish we had the core to build on those bad teams had. We arent the Jags, or the Niners. The 2017 roster was a complete shitshow built on many years of failed drafting. There was never a quick fix coming out of that. Never Show me where I said that young teams don't need to learn how to put it together in order to become a winning team in the future. Of course they have to figure it out and get better or the else the team needs to replace them. I simply suggesting that winning more games THIS YEAR is not some required next step to become a winning team in the future. The NFL is a year-to-year league at this point.

So then your suggesting they just turn it on next season somehow and win then?

They need to keep making progress now. I can't even wrap my head around whatever point you are trying to make.

Learn to win without winning? Or just start week 1 next season as a shut down defense. This playing time is more valueable than camp, more valuable than preseason. This isn't about individuals getting replaced either. Its about a young unit learning to play together. They need to earn some success.

I did it at the end of year in 81, 03, hoping for L. T. and Eli. ; that worked out pretty well. Most recently I ve rooted for draft position the last two seasons because I was convinced until the Giants had their next young quarterback in place there would be no moving forward, I believed there were no more“runs with Eli”

I also remember wanting a coaching change so badly that I hoped for losses at the end of a season to seal the deal.

However, after two seasons where for almost the entire second half of the season I believed losses were best for the team, I m not going there this season.

I m different than many here in that this season I have been invested in the games rooting hard for wins, I haven’t enjoyed the disappointment of losing but it s been good to care about wins again.

I have found myself still in the games at the end and it s been good to care again; I think this is mainly because of Daniel Jones......I m rooting for wins in the last 6 games, especially against the Eagles.

Might find myself understanding last game of the season a loss would be better, but that s against the Eagles, so.....

In comment 14684271 Leg of Theismann said:

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Getting Chase Young, or being in a position to trade down to a team willing to give up a haul for their Franchise QB, could be exactly what this team needs to turn around. That said, as other posters have said, the young guys on this team need a little bit of hope. I really think if we had beaten Dallas last year in week 17, we might have gone into that offseason /this season with a little momentum and hope. That was a fairly crushing loss (as crushing as a loss that has no playoff implications whatsoever can be, that is), and it is clear the disappointment of last season really carried over to this season. That week 17 game in 2018 could have a nice way of getting the bad taste out of our mouths, but I know, I know, this team is bad either way and maybe that game really did mean nothing. All that said, a few wins down the stretch here, including maybe one to close out the season against Philly, could maybe give this team a little bit of life going into 2020. Actually, here's my ideal scenario: Giants lose out until week 17, including losing to Skins and Dolphins and securing the #2 spot in the draft. I'd also love to see Shurmur fired with a week or 2 to go in the season, but that's just me. THEN-- let's say week 17 is a win and in game for Philly and the Giants pull the massive upset and end their season. Now THAT, would be sweet. And it could absolutely give the young guys the little taste of victory they need. For DJ it would be similar to Eli's week 17 win against Dallas in 2004, although I think DJ already had a little taste of that back in Tampa, but I think he needs one at home and he needs it to close out the season and ruin Philly's playoff hopes. Would love to see it happen with a last minute TD drive as well.

I thought about the 2004 Dallas game after reading halfway down your post, then saw you already mentioned it. That game was so pivotal for Eli and the rest of the Team. Eli changing the play at the goal line to a running play and Tiki scoring that TD felt like winning the Super Bowl in that moment. I think it went a long way in the Team having confidence in Eli moving forward. The Team went from not being able to buy a win to the playoffs the following year. That win, I believe, cemented a bond in the Team. I think beating Philly in a similar fashion this year could have a similar affect.

.....or not. Who knows?

Ideally the Giants would win out and show far better than they have shown thus far this year. That would, of course, hurt the draft slot tremendously. Maybe some of the young guys who have been struggling will show they don't need to be replaced or the aging vets get replaced by younger guys who show they are capable. I'm not expecting any of this to happen.


Losing out would be tough to watch, but would be much better for the 2020 draft. Probably means at least one more year of below par football, however. Of course it could also mean coaching staff change and maybe that's a good thing.

Going 3-3 or 2-4 would be the worse case scenario as it hurts the draft slot but still shows lowsy football but not lowsy enough to "earn" a coaching change.

I’d be fine losing every game the rest of the way 31-0. Draft position (Young) is a bonus. Dropping those 2 clowns is priority #1 in turning this shit around.

Losing and getting better pick don't mean shit.. we've been losing out for a while.. and what have we to show for it? 2 wins this year.. we are probably worse than the Dolphins.. could you have imagined that at the beginning of the year.. I'd rather win because that would mean LW, DL, Danny Dimes and others are playing good.. if we lose out and lose to both Redskins and the Dolphins it means our players suck really bad.. and overall hope for long term sucess are dimmer even if we land chase young..

I want to lose out because I think it’s the only way they will possibly fire Shurmur, and I think Shurmur is possibly the worst coach in the league. There is no hope with this guy, it’s not the talent on the team he is overmatched as a coach. Good coaches can take bad teams and give them some life. Improve players, fix mistakes, make smart decisions. Shurmur doesn’t do any of that, his decisions are questionable at best and inconsistent. Our young players are not improving. The team is rarely even competitive in these games.

I can reluctantly live with Gettleman a little longer but Shurmur is out of his depth. They hired a guy who was a dreadful coach in Cleveland and now he’s been a dreadful coach here for two seasons.

I can’t take another minute of this guy but I’m convinced Mara will look for any reason to keep him.

Here is my fear:

Giants beat Miami, Washington and maybe Chicago and Shurmur is retained. “We finished strong, players didn’t quit, blah blah”.

Next year they spend a bunch of money, another premium draft pick and manage to go 6-10, 7-9. Now Shurmur has shown more improvement, we’re really going somewhere right?

2021-22 he gets us all the way to 8-8! Maybe a fake playoff race. Hoo boy, this is exciting stuff, where’s my heart medication?

2022-23 they regresa back to 6-10/7-9: “Everyone is on notice..”

2023-24, back to 4-12, 3-13, Shurmur is finally shown the door. Saquon’s career is nearly over, Jones is into his big contract and the team is otherwise right where we are today.


Shurmur needs to go now. If it takes six more losses I can live with it. Go Bears, Eagles, etc. I can’t stand to look at this guy anymore.

Now if they fire him tomorrow I’ll root for some more wins, but that won’t happen.

It only proves they are LOSERS , just compare the Browns and Patriots, winners WIN , losers LOSE. Break the cycle

Is so much better then finishing 5-11 6-10

you try to win every game on your schedule... However, I am so sick of losing and looking like a laugher every week its time to right thew ship which is to lose out!!

Get rid of Shurmur who is just awful as a HC in every aspect of the game.

This team needs a Top 5 pick...more like Top 3.

Luckily,the QB has been addressed but obviously winning gives short term satisfaction but helps create long term mediocrity. Still pissed we traded away our 3rd round pick which could be in the high 60's/low 70's.

In comment 14684352 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14684345 GiantEgo said: Quote: One player cannot turn a franchise around. I think some folks misremember the LT situation. He came into a defense that already had a lot of talent. One big time player and a new coach who knows how to actually coach, sure would go a long way to turning this shit show around. No one expects Young to turn this team around all by himself but he sure would have a great impact on the D. There's talent here already, unfortunately we don't have the coaching to get the most out of it. When we come out down 14-17 in the 1st Qtr three games in a row that screams terrible coaching to me. There are other things too but to see that right at the start is the most obvious.

This.

The coaching staff needs to go. The last thing this organization needs is empty wins that the front office sells as progress to keep the staff around.

It’s not about solo Young. It’s Young-Williams-Lawrence-Tomlinson/Hill plus Golden and/or another FA. THAT can turn the defense around.

We get the #2 pick if we lose out.

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We get the #2 pick if we lose out.

or #1...

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We get the #2 pick if we lose out.

but not quite...haven't clinched tiebreak over WAS, although it is almost certain

chrisr:

"I don't trust anything I read on the internet, so provide a link with every post"

Too many:
"The Maras have been incompetent for so long that now its time to lose completely because once they have more important choices this time they will respond faster and better."

But seriously, why wish more risk into a risky enterprise?

We want less and less and less risk. Until what we see is at least a watchable variation of a game we used to like

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Kickoff I’m always rooting for the Giants to win. After the defense shows how pathetic they are, I wouldn’t mind them losing as long as Jones has a good game.

My feelings exactly. I never root against them during a game, but if they lose, its "oh well, a better draft slot". And its approaching the point where I wish for them to lose out … but never during a game.

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Is so much better then finishing 5-11 6-10

I am all in on buh-bye to DG and PS but this team needs more than just one player. Need to trade down for 4-5 players.