NFT: Mets: Unlikely to re-sign Wheeler per Martino

can one group of miserable met fans argue over?

In comment 14685531 bigbluehoya said:

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4/$73M. Not trying to miller the discussion of how severely Ces fell, but thought it was relevant here given that I saw a number of Mets fans wishing for Grandal on a few of the offseason threads.

Imagine adding Grandal to this team instead of Cano. Would be a game changer.

turned down 4 for 60, ended up (including last year) 5 for 91.25. He got the last laugh, highly doubtful he was going to be worth 31.25 million after his Mets deal expired.

In comment 14685551 DanMetroMan said:

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turned down 4 for 60, ended up (including last year) 5 for 91.25. He got the last laugh, highly doubtful he was going to be worth 31.25 million after his Mets deal expired.

It could just as easily have gone the other way. If he got hurt with a major injury he ends up making less than $60M over 4 years

In comment 14685560 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 14685551 DanMetroMan said: Quote: turned down 4 for 60, ended up (including last year) 5 for 91.25. He got the last laugh, highly doubtful he was going to be worth 31.25 million after his Mets deal expired. It could just as easily have gone the other way. If he got hurt with a major injury he ends up making less than $60M over 4 years

Of course. But he gambled on himself and won. He cited the other top paid C that came before him and how it would be setting a bad precedent. He made the right call.

do anything smart!

In comment 14685532 cactus said:

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can one group of miserable met fans argue over?

There is no limit. Plus, it's the offseason, it will get better before it gets worse. Not pointing any fingers either, I'm as guilty a miserable Mets fan as the next.

we argue semantics.

he's a very good player who has proven he deserves beyond most doubts, but catchers can age quickly post-30. Lucroy and Posey being 2 recent examples. This organization doesn't have the budget to make another mistake like that after the Cano mistake.

The best thing BVW did last year was cash in on an undervalued pre-breakout young player (JDFD). And it was at the expense of 1 of the best organizations out there. I'd like to see him hang on to Ramos and add a young defensive minded catcher this offseason - like 1 of the guys in Toronto. Dom Smith for 1 of them makes a ton of sense.

pushing for Wheeler too.

They have a lot of payroll flexibility.

on Szapucki. Hopefully this kid took his injury lumps early and that's all behind him now.

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Mets Farm Report @MetsFarmReport · 5m “With his arm and what you see coming out of it, he’s a big league arm for me.” @AlLeiter22 is big on @ThomasSzapucki .

if this is real, I need to see an explanation.

Bench coach:

Cora
Fredi G.
Narron
Muellens

Pitching:

Hefner
Fetter
Karsay

...

is my guess, Martino has been pushing his candidacy, of course Fetters is a Michigan guy so Fred could push for him.

In comment 14685824 pjcas18 said:

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if this is real, I need to see an explanation.

doesn't make a ton of sense to me unless the 3 prospects are Bohm, Howard, Medina.

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Mets have agreed to terms with Chasen Shreve on a Minors deal. Spring invite for experienced reliever.

He sucks

NEGATIVE 0.5 career fWAR, crappy numbers vs. lefties.

guy, on to fixing the defense.

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In comment 14685532 cactus said:

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can one group of miserable met fans argue over?

Welcome to Mets threads! Where irrelevant minutia gets argued to death and context and actual meaning go to die! :)

3 year deal with the White Sox (50 million).

Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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The Mets have shown interest in signing Korean left-handed starter Kwang-Hyun Kim according to @Ken_Rosenthal
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Kiley McDaniel from FanGraphs predicted he would get 2 yrs/$14 million total.

In comment 14686686 pjcas18 said:

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Michael Mayer @mikemayerMMO · 3m The Mets have shown interest in signing Korean left-handed starter Kwang-Hyun Kim according to @Ken_Rosenthal . Kiley McDaniel from FanGraphs predicted he would get 2 yrs/$14 million total.

1 of 11 teams who were at his 11/7 start

In comment 14686690 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14686686 pjcas18 said: Quote: Michael Mayer @mikemayerMMO · 3m The Mets have shown interest in signing Korean left-handed starter Kwang-Hyun Kim according to @Ken_Rosenthal . Kiley McDaniel from FanGraphs predicted he would get 2 yrs/$14 million total. 1 of 11 teams who were at his 11/7 start

So you're saying there's a chance?

Kim.

will look to pay Ellsbury 0 of his owed 26 million citing his use of outside doctors... Cespedes anyone?

is not a fan of Kim. Big pass for me. Much prefer someone like Hamels or Hill.

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Mets are one of five teams showing early interestin in Korean left-handed starter Kwang-hyun Kim. Royals, Dodgers, Cubs, and Diamondbacks are the other four teams according to Rosenthal.

said his stuff has declined, his body as declined and he's a 5th SP/swingman to him. Pass.

Many pitchers return from TJ with a new physique thanks to their time away from throwing, during which they’re focused on the rest of their body. That’s not the case here, as Kim’s athleticism is seeping away, his arm slot has lowered a bit, and he’s less balanced over his blocking leg than he used to be. Stuff wise, Kim has a nasty, tilt-a-whirl slider he deploys as his primary swing and miss weapon; the rest of his repertoire (a low-90s fastball, low-70s curveball, and upper-70s changeup) is average or below. It’s a fifth starter/swingman look, barring some kind of velo explosion out of a bullpen.

17-18 million into a player with huge downside and limited upside is silly. Give a guy like Hamels 1 year vs. the risk.

In comment 14686766 DanMetroMan said:

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said his stuff has declined, his body as declined and he's a 5th SP/swingman to him. Pass.

Yeah was just reading his writeup. Think there are better options out there. Even Gio.

In comment 14686740 DanMetroMan said:

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will look to pay Ellsbury 0 of his owed 26 million citing his use of outside doctors... Cespedes anyone?

Yeah, that is why I think the Wilpons don't want Cespedes to ever see the field this year. Try to recoup some money on top of the insurance.

I honestly don't care if Cespedes gets $30M, $20M, $5M or $0 or if the Mets pay him or if the insurance company reimburses the Mets or anything else.

Because regardless if the Mets save any money on his contract or not, it does not seem like it will have any impact on their payroll spending.

So, who cares?

In comment 14686701 ZGiants98 said:

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Kim.

That’s what she said.

That is a good point and I should have said that in my post. It doesn't matter because they don't reinvest any proceeds.

In comment 14686791 pjcas18 said:

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I honestly don't care if Cespedes gets $30M, $20M, $5M or $0 or if the Mets pay him or if the insurance company reimburses the Mets or anything else. Because regardless if the Mets save any money on his contract or not, it does not seem like it will have any impact on their payroll spending. So, who cares?

This is why I’d rather see Cespedes give it a shot and play. Worst case is that he sucks and doesn’t see the field. Best case is that he rakes and helps the club.

Him sitting out and the Wilpons getting insurance money will only serve to help the Wilpons. Certainly not the team or their payroll flexibility. Although, maybe then those crooks can start paying their part for the Belmont project.

the most value Cespedes has to the Mets is on the field as a contributor.

It would be different for the Mets to fight to void his contract or get insurance reimbursement if it meant reinvesting those recouped funds, but it doesn't so that's where we are.

Cespedes Conforto and Nimmo starting in the OF is best case. McNeil, Rosario, Cano, and Alonso in the infield.

JD Davis, Dom Smith, and Jed Lowrie as backups/fill-ins.

McNeil also an option for OF if it means getting a different player like Lowrie some PT.

based on the roster today.

once they have done whatever their shopping in the offseason. Unlike the Yankees they won't do it now bc they need every ounce of goodwill to convince people they aren't a joke of an organization. They can't play hardball. Same way they couldn't just engage JDG in extension talks at the beginning of last offseason, or before ST, they had to wait until days before the season opener. They don't dictate events, they let events dictate them.

In typical Mets fashion they will probably make it into a PR nightmare right before ST. They will say their drs think X and he/his agent will say Y, and then proceed to do more batting practice videos to prove he's fine.

Contract IMO. Ill stand by that.

My other guess is he's also healthy and ready to go come ST from his previous injuries.

In comment 14686794 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 14686701 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Kim. That’s what she said.

;)

Wheeler still a possibility. Even though it's probably slim to none...

“There seems to be a willingness [for Wheeler] to circle back to the Mets,” Heyman wrote. “But it feels like [New York] intends to spread money [towards the bullpen, rotation depth, and centerfield], etc instead.”

With ces. He loses out whatever his agent fee is (10% maybe?) on anything not paid to cespedes.

In comment 14687418 bhill410 said:

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With ces. He loses out whatever his agent fee is (10% maybe?) on anything not paid to cespedes.

this cannot possibly still be the case.

I would imagine it worked like a commissioned sales rep, once he left CAA any unearned commissions were forfeited.

It would make zero sense for a GM to still get paid commission/fees even if he represented the client initially.

I hope I'm wrong.

Jennifer Mercedes
@Chica_Deportes
Being told that Hensley Meulens will be the new @Mets
bench coach.

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Mets have interest in Starling Marte. Fits what they seek — strong defender in CF, righthanded hitter. Pirates still working on manager. Uncertain if he’ll be dealt. Cubs, Reds, Padres among others who will look at center fielders.
1:31 PM · Nov 23, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

he's 31 and likely a 3 fwar player for a couple years. His defense supposedly declined a lot last year (-9 DRS). You can buy that kind of overall production via FA pretty easily, albeit not in CF, but if Marte's defense has regressed in CF is that even a positive? Wouldn't Nimmo (and even Conforto) still be better options in CF?

Would love to add his bat but not sure he does much to address the main weaknesses.

He’s a worse CF than Nimmo and his bat is nothing special. He’s 31 and only going to decline further. Can’t wait to see what BVW gives up this time.

In comment 14687570 ZGiants98 said:

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He’s a worse CF than Nimmo and his bat is nothing special. He’s 31 and only going to decline further. Can’t wait to see what BVW gives up this time.

I don't think this happens, just lipspeak for the fans.

Perfectly happy with Nimmo there

If they are a partner which BVW was. I am sure something needed to be ironed out with Mets ownership prior to joining but I would be shocked he if wasn’t getting any revenue from the players he repped.