Andy Martino
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Mets and wheeler parted ways the day Mets traded for stroman. Yankees do seem more focused on Cole right now
Wheeler will likely sign before Gerrit Cole and possibly before Stephen Strasburg, reports Jon Morosi of MLB.com, who said that the Angels, Padres, White Sox, and Twins are the "leading group right now" for Wheeler.
But we have only seen glimpses...and frankly.....for most of this past season, his fastball was straight and hittable.
He has great stuff, but he seems to have a glass arm and there are days when he is emminently hittable.
The Mets will do well with deGrom, Thor, Stroman & Matz. They can sign a 5th starter or get one at a more reasonable price because the offense should be much better banking on Cespedes being back.
Why do I believe we will be taking about DeGrom and his great run, Alonzo and his HR leadership quest, McNeil as a BA champion candidate and...a third place/fourth place finish once again next year...
On Monday, Van Wagenen again pointed to his faith in minor-league options.
David Peterson, a 24-year-old left-hander who made 24 starts for Binghamton in 2019, is one of the relievers Van Wagenen hopes to promote to the big leagues in 2020. The Mets signed Peterson as their first-round draft pick in 2017.
While the potential promotion of Peterson is an encouraging point of discussion, Van Wagenen also mentioned developing – in the same breath, no less – other minor-league relievers who were quite noticeably unsuccessful in the Majors last season. The GM said Chris Flexen, Walker Lockett and Corey Oswalt could provide rotation depth if Wheeler does in fact sign with another team this winter.
“I think the 1-4 with the major league pieces that can convert from bullpen to starters give us a lot of confidence in our rotation,” Van Wagenen said.”
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#4? lol yeah okay. Zack Wheeler last 2 seasons
9th in fWAR, 9th in FIP, 12th in innings
On what planet is he a good 3 or great 4?
I just don't see the Yanks going all in on Cole,
and I have a feeling that Strasburg will wind up back
with the Nats. It's early in the process, we'll see.
Curious as to how this news comes out now! Meaning, Cespedes playing this year means the Wilpons will be on the hook for the $28M and won't collect the insurance money. So they can't "reinvest" that insurance money to other areas on the team.
I always felt like it would be Wheeler or Stroman and they've shown no signs of trying to deal Stroman.
I just prefer the high velocity pitchers to a guy like Stroman.
In true to my word I won't opine on this transaction (if it even happens) until I see the team the Mets bring to battle in March.
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But this is such a Mets move. They will point to “reinvesting the money” and resigning Noah or Stroman down the line. But why would you pick Stroman over Wheeler? And does anyone really think they are going to resign Noah?
It’s a shame because this team could be close but we all they won’t invest the necessary money. Besides Miami, they are now the cheapest team in the NL East. Hard to believe from a New York team.
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Infielder Andrés Giménez, RHP Jordan Humphreys, catcher Ali Sánchez and LHP Thomas Szapucki have been added to the 40-man roster. RHP Drew Gagnon has been designated for assignment. Our 40-man roster is now at 40. #Mets
Never made sense to protect him
seems like an odd omission with Mazza, Nogosek, and others on the 40 man that are complete crapshoots, although I guess it's highly unlikely anyone would waste a roster spot on Newton.
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Never made sense to protect him
He's the only notable player I could find. I agree it didn't make sense for the Mets to protect off him an abysmal 2019, but if you believe the talent is there, one of these years some expected to be awful team is going to field of team of guys like Newton.
and to Eric's point there are bigger wastes of space on the 40-man.
they would have to believe his time in KING is more what they'll get than his time in COL.
but agree, it's a longshot anyone takes him.
Curious as to how this news comes out now! Meaning, Cespedes playing this year means the Wilpons will be on the hook for the $28M and won't collect the insurance money. So they can't "reinvest" that insurance money to other areas on the team.
"Reinvest in the team" or put the money in their own pockets?
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rate in the SAL, 1 steal, not really sure what role he would serve even a bad team.
they would have to believe his time in KING is more what they'll get than his time in COL.
but agree, it's a longshot anyone takes him.
Even his time in Kingsport... 204 ab's 84 k's, he's intriguing for sure but at the MLB level he'd likely be the worst player in all of baseball this season.
Stroman was definitely acquired as a preemptive move with the potential of this happening in FA. Heck, the Mets weren't even in contention at all at the time he was brought in. At least we QO'd Wheeler and will get a pick back for him.
I like Stroman too though. He's a similar pitcher to Wheeler "now" only with a little less upside.
If we bring in a Keuchel type for the 4/5th spot Ill still think our rotation is pretty close to elite, and possibly even better than last years.
Stroman is only signed for one more year anyway and didn't even look great last year in Queens. What's the long term plan? The team needs Wheeler for more than 2020, they need him going forward.
Sure glad we gave up our best prospects to pay $20M+ to Cano. Personally, I'd rather have the prospects and Wheeler going forward.
Stroman is only signed for one more year anyway and didn't even look great last year in Queens. What's the long term plan? The team needs Wheeler for more than 2020, they need him going forward.
Sure glad we gave up our best prospects to pay $20M+ to Cano. Personally, I'd rather have the prospects and Wheeler going forward.
How much do you think they are getting back if Cespedes plays? Just curious. If Cespedes comes back in the early part of the year, they get nothing. So a few million for Wright?
Anyways, insurance doesnt affect the LT either way.
The LT only imposes a "tax" on the overage. You'd have to spend an a truly INSANE amount of money to owe luxury tax equal to the insurance money on Wright alone, even if Cespedes played a full season in 2020.
Ownership is cheap. The Mets are a bubble team and if there was ever a year to try and make a run, this is it. They should be going all-in to try and keep Wheeler and only bow out if he gets a truly insane contract from someone else.
It's not a magic threshold that once you go over you owe a huge amount. You just owe a % of the amount you go over (which would easily be covered by the Wright insurance money alone). The Mets could easily go over the threshold in 2020 (and pay tax less than the Wright insurance money alone) and easily go below it in 2021 with all the money coming off of the books.
Why do you even defend the Wilpons anyway? I don't understand how any Met fan can do that. Don't you want to see the team make a world series run?
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last two years with Wheeler breaking out. Now they are going to replace him with someone inferior and hope to improve the results? What kind of plan is that? How can ownership be so cheap? We all know that real payroll is significantly below the luxury tax threshold when you consider the hefty insurance money everyone in the industry says the Mets are getting. WTF?
Stroman is only signed for one more year anyway and didn't even look great last year in Queens. What's the long term plan? The team needs Wheeler for more than 2020, they need him going forward.
Sure glad we gave up our best prospects to pay $20M+ to Cano. Personally, I'd rather have the prospects and Wheeler going forward.
How much do you think they are getting back if Cespedes plays? Just curious. If Cespedes comes back in the early part of the year, they get nothing. So a few million for Wright?
Anyways, insurance doesnt affect the LT either way.
The cryptic video aside, there is zero chance he comes back in the early part of the year. I'd be shocked if he comes by the ASB...
The LT only imposes a "tax" on the overage. You'd have to spend an a truly INSANE amount of money to owe luxury tax equal to the insurance money on Wright alone, even if Cespedes played a full season in 2020.
Ownership is cheap. The Mets are a bubble team and if there was ever a year to try and make a run, this is it. They should be going all-in to try and keep Wheeler and only bow out if he gets a truly insane contract from someone else.
I just dont see a huge difference between Stroman and Wheeler and Stroman isnt exactly cheap in 2020 either. Im going to wait until the offseason is over before I start complaining.
We basically are losing nothing from the 2019 team that won 86 games and the bulk of the lineup is young with arrows pointing upwards. Stroman has already replaced Wheeler and anything we add will only improve the team. No important cogs are walking off. If we dont sign another SP to replace Vargas or try to fix the pen that disappointed Ill be pissed right there with you.
It's not a magic threshold that once you go over you owe a huge amount. You just owe a % of the amount you go over (which would easily be covered by the Wright insurance money alone). The Mets could easily go over the threshold in 2020 (and pay tax less than the Wright insurance money alone) and easily go below it in 2021 with all the money coming off of the books.
Why do you even defend the Wilpons anyway? I don't understand how any Met fan can do that. Don't you want to see the team make a world series run?
What are you talking about? Of course I understand how the LT works. First year isnt a huge penalty, I agree but it could add up in coming years, and EVERY TEAM IN BASEBALL practically is trying to stay under it now including the mighty Yankees. Mets will have the 5th highest payroll in the sport. We went out and got Stroman in case Wheeler walked. Maybe he's slightly worse but the offseason just started. Just dont know what you are so furious.
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last two years with Wheeler breaking out. Now they are going to replace him with someone inferior and hope to improve the results? What kind of plan is that? How can ownership be so cheap? We all know that real payroll is significantly below the luxury tax threshold when you consider the hefty insurance money everyone in the industry says the Mets are getting. WTF?
Stroman is only signed for one more year anyway and didn't even look great last year in Queens. What's the long term plan? The team needs Wheeler for more than 2020, they need him going forward.
Sure glad we gave up our best prospects to pay $20M+ to Cano. Personally, I'd rather have the prospects and Wheeler going forward.
How much do you think they are getting back if Cespedes plays? Just curious. If Cespedes comes back in the early part of the year, they get nothing. So a few million for Wright?
Anyways, insurance doesnt affect the LT either way.
The cryptic video aside, there is zero chance he comes back in the early part of the year. I'd be shocked if he comes by the ASB...
Huh?? Why? He broke his ankle in May. It takes 11 months for a broken ankle to heal? Since when? And if he's walking on it now and taking batting practice now, Im gonna assume its going to be even better 4-5 months from now.
Why in the world do people say things like this? Zero chance? Based on what? Your brain that has no insider knowledge?
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last two years with Wheeler breaking out. Now they are going to replace him with someone inferior and hope to improve the results? What kind of plan is that? How can ownership be so cheap? We all know that real payroll is significantly below the luxury tax threshold when you consider the hefty insurance money everyone in the industry says the Mets are getting. WTF?
Stroman is only signed for one more year anyway and didn't even look great last year in Queens. What's the long term plan? The team needs Wheeler for more than 2020, they need him going forward.
Sure glad we gave up our best prospects to pay $20M+ to Cano. Personally, I'd rather have the prospects and Wheeler going forward.
How much do you think they are getting back if Cespedes plays? Just curious. If Cespedes comes back in the early part of the year, they get nothing. So a few million for Wright?
Anyways, insurance doesnt affect the LT either way.
The cryptic video aside, there is zero chance he comes back in the early part of the year. I'd be shocked if he comes by the ASB...
Huh?? Why? He broke his ankle in May. It takes 11 months for a broken ankle to heal? Since when? And if he's walking on it now and taking batting practice now, Im gonna assume its going to be even better 4-5 months from now.
Why in the world do people say things like this? Zero chance? Based on what? Your brain that has no insider knowledge?
First off, he's shown to be notoriously slow healer. And what's to say he won't injure himself during rehab, etc?
Obviously if he's healthy he'd be a great addition to the lineup, but I'll believe he'll be back "early" when I see it
He is very inconsistent but has a lot of potential. But he’s also turning 30 next season. What we see is likely what we get. That’s the problem with citing overall stats. Doesn’t really tell the whole picture.
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last two years with Wheeler breaking out. Now they are going to replace him with someone inferior and hope to improve the results? What kind of plan is that? How can ownership be so cheap? We all know that real payroll is significantly below the luxury tax threshold when you consider the hefty insurance money everyone in the industry says the Mets are getting. WTF?
Stroman is only signed for one more year anyway and didn't even look great last year in Queens. What's the long term plan? The team needs Wheeler for more than 2020, they need him going forward.
Sure glad we gave up our best prospects to pay $20M+ to Cano. Personally, I'd rather have the prospects and Wheeler going forward.
How much do you think they are getting back if Cespedes plays? Just curious. If Cespedes comes back in the early part of the year, they get nothing. So a few million for Wright?
Anyways, insurance doesnt affect the LT either way.
The cryptic video aside, there is zero chance he comes back in the early part of the year. I'd be shocked if he comes by the ASB...
Huh?? Why? He broke his ankle in May. It takes 11 months for a broken ankle to heal? Since when? And if he's walking on it now and taking batting practice now, Im gonna assume its going to be even better 4-5 months from now.
Why in the world do people say things like this? Zero chance? Based on what? Your brain that has no insider knowledge?
First off, he's shown to be notoriously slow healer. And what's to say he won't injure himself during rehab, etc?
Obviously if he's healthy he'd be a great addition to the lineup, but I'll believe he'll be back "early" when I see it
So say that then. Saying there's zero chance he'll be back before the all star game is just completely made up.
So say that then. Saying there's zero chance he'll be back before the all star game is just completely made up.
I said zero chance for early in the year, and that I'll be shocked before the ASB.
Whatever, fine - there is a slightly greater than zero chance he returns early in the year
Four major surgeries? Give me a freaking break. He had a few calcium deposits removed (something he had been playing through for years) to alleviate some pain in his feet and then broke two tiny bones in one ankle (typical ankle fractures heal in SIX WEEKS!)
These are major surgeries?? Ummm no. ACL, Achilles tear, major back surgery, shoulder surgery...Tommy John... those are major surgeries.. Cespedes has had nothing like that at all.
Now its totally fine to expect nothing from him because he hasn't played since 2018. Great! Mets are hedged very well against Cespedes. JD Davis can start in LF. Heck, Id like to see if Dom can stick there too. Then there's Lowrie that could always play 3B with McNeil moving back to LF. That's three very good options without even discussing Cespedes. So no... nobody needs to count on Cespedes.
Im just sick and tired of these ridiculous proclamations about how he's never playing again. He's in a contract year and there's a very good chance he's in the mix this year somewhere. How well he plays is anyone's guess, but we cant just make him disappear and injuries aren't eternal. Especially a freaking broken ankle from 7 months ago.
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So say that then. Saying there's zero chance he'll be back before the all star game is just completely made up.
I said zero chance for early in the year, and that I'll be shocked before the ASB.
Whatever, fine - there is a slightly greater than zero chance he returns early in the year
Im no doctor but typical ankle fractures (without tendon injury) take about 6 weeks to heal. So you're saying it's going to take Cespedes's ankle 15 months to heal (you said mid summer 20 )instead of the "average" 6 weeks? Look, Im not trying to be a dick but that just sounds ridiculous. Just say you dont know, and we'll see how he's progressed probably sometime in February.
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