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Sean : 11/21/2019 10:03 pm
I just watched his halftime twitter periscope where he takes questions, some things he said:

1. Gettleman’s job is likely safe. He said DG does a better job than people realize.

2. Rhule makes sense for NYG & Rhule likely would not turn the job down.

3. Mike McCarthy to WSH is possible.

4. Keep an eye out for McDaniels to Carolina.

5. Jason Garrett job in serious jeopardy.

Probably not thread worthy, but we’re 2-8 & this is what we have to look forward to.
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Thanks  
TD : 11/21/2019 10:06 pm : link
Threads like this are the best we got right now.
Not attacking you  
dpassen1 : 11/21/2019 10:06 pm : link
but how in the hell can 5-11 and 2-8 be better than we realize?
Does a better job  
MookGiants : 11/21/2019 10:09 pm : link
than people realize?

He's done a shit job here so far. His evaluation of the roster when he took the job was a train wreck and while he did get us Jones the rest of his moves have been at best questionable.

Everything is rotten about this organization currently. Get rid of everyone
and 5-11  
MookGiants : 11/21/2019 10:10 pm : link
last year was a result of playing a handful of backup or 3rd string QB's.

The Giants were not a 5-11 quality team last year.
2-8 this year  
MookGiants : 11/21/2019 10:11 pm : link
and should be 1-9. As horrible as the Giants have been recently, they're actually worse than their record shows.
Matt Rhule.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/21/2019 10:11 pm : link
Yes, please.
McDaniels to Carolina makes sense  
Go Terps : 11/21/2019 10:15 pm : link
That's an organization on the rise with their new ownership.

Garrett being available scares me a lot.
What about Kellen Moore?  
Bill L : 11/21/2019 10:18 pm : link
Would he make sense for us?
"Does a better job than people realize"  
moespree : 11/21/2019 10:18 pm : link
Yeah going from 5-11 to even worse with his top FA signing being a turnstile is really lighting it up.
I would love to see McCarthy to Washington  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2019 10:19 pm : link
Haskins is a poor fit for his offense also.

I like Rhule and I think he could be a great fit as long as he builds a seasoned staff.

If Jason Garrett is out in Dallas I hope Rhule targets both Rod Marinelli and Kris Richard for his staff. Richard is a hot HC Candidate but Marinelli will not get another chance. He could be here for the long term.

Sorry to repeat again but Bill Callahan has to be at the top of the list for OL coach.

RE: What about Kellen Moore?  
Sean : 11/21/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14686176 Bill L said:
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Would he make sense for us?


I’m tired of offensive specialists as HC. Need a program builder.
RE: 2-8 this year  
japanhead : 11/21/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14686169 MookGiants said:
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and should be 1-9. As horrible as the Giants have been recently, they're actually worse than their record shows.


enough with the "should be 1-9" thing. they beat TB and put up 30+ points. TBs kicker missed a FG attempt.

should the giants have only won three superbowls because norwood missed a FG at the end of the game?

you are what your record says you are.

the main issues with the giants this season have been jones' shitty pocket awareness and fumbling the other team points, shurmur's shitty scheming and coaching, and injuries.

gettleman's certainly been far from perfect but he's not the horror show some on this site make him out to be.
If losing out means Shurmur isn't our coach next fall,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/21/2019 10:24 pm : link
Lose out baby. Hate saying that, but it's better in the long run.
I worry about Garrett too  
Oscar : 11/21/2019 10:26 pm : link
He has the main qualifications, former Giant and he basically seems dignified. I would hope Mara factors in his underachieving with a very talented team in the same division but who knows.

Dallas job being open in general worries me because I think that team is stacked and it would be a more appealing destination for any of the top candidates. That’s a job someone like Lincoln Riley might be willing to leave Oklahoma for. Much as I hate it, the Cowboys are a more popular, prominent franchise than the Giants and their team is much further along. Head coach of the Dallas Cowboys is probably the highest profile coaching gig in American sports.
Giants will hire Garrett  
moespree : 11/21/2019 10:28 pm : link
Keep Gettleman, they'll underperform again, fire Gettleman, and replace him with Kevin Abrams.
Yes stay the course  
micky : 11/21/2019 10:30 pm : link
Getts has done wonders so far. Needle pointing up
RE: I worry about Garrett too  
Sean : 11/21/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14686187 Oscar said:
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He has the main qualifications, former Giant and he basically seems dignified. I would hope Mara factors in his underachieving with a very talented team in the same division but who knows.

Dallas job being open in general worries me because I think that team is stacked and it would be a more appealing destination for any of the top candidates. That’s a job someone like Lincoln Riley might be willing to leave Oklahoma for. Much as I hate it, the Cowboys are a more popular, prominent franchise than the Giants and their team is much further along. Head coach of the Dallas Cowboys is probably the highest profile coaching gig in American sports.


I think we can all say honestly there is no chance Lincoln Riley is coming to the Giants regardless if the Dallas job was open.

Rhule has felt like a Giants coach for awhile to me.
RE: What about Kellen Moore?  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14686176 Bill L said:
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Would he make sense for us?

He's way too green for a HC job. If Jason Garrett is fired, Moore would be a good addition to the Giants staff as would Rod Marinelli, and Kris Richard.

Marc Colombo would be a big upgrade over Hal Hunter if the Giants miss out on Bill Callahan.
Is Garrett that awful?  
Breeze_94 : 11/21/2019 10:32 pm : link
Especially compared to what we have?

I mean the guy does put together some decent staffs at least (Marinelli + Richard on defense, Kellen Moore as the OC). Definitely not the most inspiring option, but he seems solid.
Is Garrett that awful?  
Breeze_94 : 11/21/2019 10:33 pm : link
Especially compared to what we have?

I mean the guy does put together some decent staffs at least (Marinelli + Richard on defense, Kellen Moore as the OC). Definitely not the most inspiring option, but he seems solid.
Gettleman  
Marty866b : 11/21/2019 10:35 pm : link
"Has done a better job then people realize"? Really? He took over a 3-13 team and actually has made them even worse. How do these guys even become sportswriters? They know shit.
RE: Yes stay the course  
dpassen1 : 11/21/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14686190 micky said:
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Getts has done wonders so far. Needle pointing up

This has got to be sarcasm. Right?
Sign me up for Rhule.  
bradshaw44 : 11/21/2019 10:42 pm : link
please.
RE: Is Garrett that awful?  
huygens20 : 11/21/2019 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14686194 Breeze_94 said:
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Especially compared to what we have?

I mean the guy does put together some decent staffs at least (Marinelli + Richard on defense, Kellen Moore as the OC). Definitely not the most inspiring option, but he seems solid.



They’ve had top 15 off AND def the last few years

I’d say he’s def underachieved by 2-3 playoff wins
Stop the bullshit  
djm : 11/21/2019 11:46 pm : link
The giants are not worse than 2017. They are younger across the board and opened up a ton of cap space. They also have a young Qb everyone can get behind.

I don’t know why some of you need to exaggerate to make a point. We all know the giants blow chunks but they aren’t worse off than 2017. Not by a long shot.
RE: Giants will hire Garrett  
bw in dc : 11/21/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14686188 moespree said:
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Keep Gettleman, they'll underperform again, fire Gettleman, and replace him with Kevin Abrams.


The odds, alas, are very much in favor of this happening.

This organization is a circular error.
RE: Stop the bullshit  
jcn56 : 11/21/2019 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14686218 djm said:
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The giants are not worse than 2017. They are younger across the board and opened up a ton of cap space. They also have a young Qb everyone can get behind.

I don’t know why some of you need to exaggerate to make a point. We all know the giants blow chunks but they aren’t worse off than 2017. Not by a long shot.


They're 2-8. They stink, simple as that. He dismantled a flawed team and built an even worse one out of the ashes.

And because the Giants have no plans on moving on from Gettleman, you're going to hear quotes like this to justify his existence.
RE: Stop the bullshit  
MookGiants : 11/22/2019 12:18 am : link
In comment 14686218 djm said:
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The giants are not worse than 2017. They are younger across the board and opened up a ton of cap space. They also have a young Qb everyone can get behind.

I don’t know why some of you need to exaggerate to make a point. We all know the giants blow chunks but they aren’t worse off than 2017. Not by a long shot.


Wait, the team that Gettleman clearly believed could compete in 2018 when he took the job at end of 2017 was worse than the one currently?

So Gettleman clearly totally fucked up when he made moves to "go for it" in 2018.

Great, he has a bunch of cap room and is younger across the board. Which positions on defense are you comfortable with going forward? Safety certainly not. Defensive end certainly not. Linebacker certainly not. Corner certainly not
So they're in better shape at DT.

Jones is a start, but the roster is an epic train wreck, and Gettleman having money to spend should scare everyone. He's been an unmitigated disaster spending money in free agency.

The Giants may not have a hole at QB going forward, but they have massive holes at every other premium position on the roster. More than any team in the league.

Gettleman tried to sell everyone on Jabrill Peppers being like getting another 1st round pick, which was a totally asinine comment. His evaluation of players that are already in the NFL has been nothing short of comical. Peppers play to this point is closer to an undrafted free agent than it is a 1st round pick
fucking clown  
MookGiants : 11/22/2019 12:22 am : link
Gettleman can't get to a microphone fast enough to pat himself on the back for moves he makes in the draft and trades and to defend moves like Jonathan Stewart but when the team totally sucks shit he is no where to be found.

Shurmur is a total loser. Gettleman is a total clown. John Mara is letting both of them run the organization even further into the ground.

RE: fucking clown  
robbieballs2003 : 11/22/2019 4:21 am : link
In comment 14686233 MookGiants said:
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Gettleman can't get to a microphone fast enough to pat himself on the back for moves he makes in the draft and trades and to defend moves like Jonathan Stewart but when the team totally sucks shit he is no where to be found.

Shurmur is a total loser. Gettleman is a total clown. John Mara is letting both of them run the organization even further into the ground.


When did you become a rapper?
Why not Jim Schwartz  
Tuckrule : 11/22/2019 6:29 am : link
He’s got the Philly defense playing lights out we could definitely use a defensive mind. I’ve had enough of the offensive genius Mr. pat shurmur. I would prefer a defensive mind at the helm.
I support DG  
Karl Hungus : 11/22/2019 6:38 am : link
First 2 years were to clear the books. Next year is make or break.
RE: fucking clown  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/22/2019 6:43 am : link
In comment 14686233 MookGiants said:
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Gettleman can't get to a microphone fast enough to pat himself on the back for moves he makes in the draft and trades and to defend moves like Jonathan Stewart but when the team totally sucks shit he is no where to be found.

Shurmur is a total loser. Gettleman is a total clown. John Mara is letting both of them run the organization even further into the ground.


Gettleman has made mistakes but nothing is gained be sticking a microphone in the GMs face in November. The sharks will get a chance to tear into him in the offseason.
RE: I support DG  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/22/2019 6:44 am : link
In comment 14686260 Karl Hungus said:
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First 2 years were to clear the books. Next year is make or break.


I believe there may be some truth to this. I would also think Dave was asked to field a team with Eli and he did while not mortgaging the future. Solder really the only big investment. I also think Shurmur may have been more of a Mara hire.

I am not why people don't see this.
I would like to see Rhule.  
Diver_Down : 11/22/2019 7:09 am : link
But if Carolina hires Josh, then Ron Rivera would be a nice established HC. Defensive minded and if he can take Norv with him all the better. Norv is singularly focused on offense and has no aspirations for HC. If we can get Barkley producing like CMC, that should be the goal. Barkley's production will float all boats.
RE: RE: 2-8 this year  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/22/2019 7:35 am : link
In comment 14686184 japanhead said:
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In comment 14686169 MookGiants said:


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and should be 1-9. As horrible as the Giants have been recently, they're actually worse than their record shows.



enough with the "should be 1-9" thing. they beat TB and put up 30+ points. TBs kicker missed a FG attempt.

should the giants have only won three superbowls because norwood missed a FG at the end of the game?

you are what your record says you are.

the main issues with the giants this season have been jones' shitty pocket awareness and fumbling the other team points, shurmur's shitty scheming and coaching, and injuries.

gettleman's certainly been far from perfect but he's not the horror show some on this site make him out to be.


actually, he missed more than a field goal. He also missed an extra point and had an extra point blocked.

I won't argue with your main issues, but would add that the O-line can neither run block or pass block and the defense can't get off the field.
Guys  
mdthedream : 11/22/2019 7:35 am : link
the team has a bunch of young kids on the field. On offense we have had Slayton as the ony wr on the field. No Sheppard,Engram,Tate and Barkley. What do you expect? Let alone the two tackles have been hurt.
I agree  
mdthedream : 11/22/2019 7:36 am : link
get a real good Head coach but its a building season. It is what it is.
I get the any one is better than  
Dnew15 : 11/22/2019 8:01 am : link
Shurmur crowd - but if the Giants hire Rhule - they'll be starting over again in three years.
RE: RE: Giants will hire Garrett  
Gettledogman : 11/22/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14686220 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14686188 moespree said:


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Keep Gettleman, they'll underperform again, fire Gettleman, and replace him with Kevin Abrams.



The odds, alas, are very much in favor of this happening.

This organization is a circular error.


Yes the same organization that has won 4 super bowl championships -given fans some of the most exciting and memorable plays in the history of the league -hahahaha wtf?! could the be more ignorant people than NYG fans? This is not the Jets or Bengals or Browns etc etc. etc.
RE: fucking clown  
TheMick7 : 11/22/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14686233 MookGiants said:
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Gettleman can't get to a microphone fast enough to pat himself on the back for moves he makes in the draft and trades and to defend moves like Jonathan Stewart but when the team totally sucks shit he is no where to be found.

Shurmur is a total loser. Gettleman is a total clown. John Mara is letting both of them run the organization even further into the ground.


I think while it's much easier to be critical of DG & Shurmur (and,yes, I'm on board w/the criticisms), we're missing the bigger picture in that John Mara is the problem. I never thought I'd write that as at one time I believed he was the voice of reason within the organization. However,over the past few seasons,his inability to recognize what is happening,the remedies needed for the problems & his solutions that create more problems show that he needs to completely step away from being involved in the football operations. For those old enough to remember,I see him morphing into the "Old" Wellington,the one who was clueless as to what to do & the need for the commissioner to step in with George Young!Most of you remember "Grandpa" Wellington,the kindly old gentleman that was around the Giant teams in his senior years but not the Wellington from the late '60's/early '70's. John is slowly becoming the "Old" version of his father.And w/Tisch not truly involved,John's the one making the personnel decisions. We need a strong football person to come in & be the decision maker,not John Mara & I don't believe he's anywhere near giving up his control!
DG does a better job than people realize?  
The_Boss : 11/22/2019 8:27 am : link
Really??
The team is arguably worse over the last 2 years than the 3-13 mess he inherited.

I’d throw the cocksucker out with yesterday’s garbage.
Gettleman's Job  
Lambuth_Special : 11/22/2019 8:36 am : link
The only way I can interpret the "better job than people realize" comment is that DG was hamstrung in 2018 by Mara to try to compete, and thus couldn't commit to a full rebuild. In retrospect, maybe DG was trolling when he kept talking about looking at the Philly game in regards to Eli: "I'm really looking hard at this ONE game to figure out how to make this work."

If he was hamstrung, however, than that's even a worse indictment of the Giants org than him being a bad GM.
The Other Path for Gettleman  
Lambuth_Special : 11/22/2019 8:40 am : link
Beal, Ballentine, and Love are going to get a lot of burn these last six games (theoretically). If two of them look good, and Baker improves, DG's cluster drafting approach will have paid off and they'll at least have a secondary foundation to go with some DL pieces. Then they then could focus on linebackers in the offseason.

There's a lot of faith in that projection, however.
I still think Mcdaniels stays in New England.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 11/22/2019 9:01 am : link
Kraft is holding the head coaching carrot in front of his nose for when Bill retires. Does anyone really think Kraft wasn’t behind Mcdaniels decision to fuck Indy over?
The  
AcidTest : 11/22/2019 9:04 am : link
Giants are "better" than they were in 2017 because we have a RB and Eli's successor. But we still have a lot more holes than we should given DG has had two years of draft classes and FA signings, as well as the blockbuster OBJ trade. He still hasn't fixed the OL, or added even one LB who can cover. We also still basically have no pass rush.
The Gettlemanites:  
bw in dc : 11/22/2019 9:07 am : link
can keep making all the excuses they need to support their hero DG. And that’s fine.

But one issue remains inexcusable - Mr. Hog Mollie has failed epically at building the OL. His supposed forte.

I see little difference right now in that regard between him and his predecessor JReese.
RE: RE: Stop the bullshit  
aGiantGuy : 11/22/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14686231 MookGiants said:
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In comment 14686218 djm said:


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The giants are not worse than 2017. They are younger across the board and opened up a ton of cap space. They also have a young Qb everyone can get behind.

I don’t know why some of you need to exaggerate to make a point. We all know the giants blow chunks but they aren’t worse off than 2017. Not by a long shot.



Wait, the team that Gettleman clearly believed could compete in 2018 when he took the job at end of 2017 was worse than the one currently?

So Gettleman clearly totally fucked up when he made moves to "go for it" in 2018.

Great, he has a bunch of cap room and is younger across the board. Which positions on defense are you comfortable with going forward? Safety certainly not. Defensive end certainly not. Linebacker certainly not. Corner certainly not
So they're in better shape at DT.

Jones is a start, but the roster is an epic train wreck, and Gettleman having money to spend should scare everyone. He's been an unmitigated disaster spending money in free agency.

The Giants may not have a hole at QB going forward, but they have massive holes at every other premium position on the roster. More than any team in the league.

Gettleman tried to sell everyone on Jabrill Peppers being like getting another 1st round pick, which was a totally asinine comment. His evaluation of players that are already in the NFL has been nothing short of comical. Peppers play to this point is closer to an undrafted free agent than it is a 1st round pick

Bold talk. I’m gonna read you the name of some other first round safeties and you tell me exactly why Peppers shouldn’t be considered a first rounder.
Karl Joseph
Keanu Neal
Terrell Edmunds
Malik Hooker
Calvin Pryor
Haha Clinton Dix
Deone Buccannon
Kenny Vaccarro
Eric Reid
Matt Elam
That list goes back the last 6 years. Obviously there’s Jamal Adams, Derwin James, and Minkah Fitzpatrick that are better than him. Malik Hooker has been too injury prone but he has better instincts. That’s 4 out of 13 safeties drafted in the first round that I wouldn’t take him over. Why can’t he be considered a first round pick again? He’s leading our team in turnovers btw and hasn’t given up a td all year...
RE: The Gettlemanites:  
Gmen703 : 11/22/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14686352 bw in dc said:
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can keep making all the excuses they need to support their hero DG. And that’s fine.

But one issue remains inexcusable - Mr. Hog Mollie has failed epically at building the OL. His supposed forte.

I see little difference right now in that regard between him and his predecessor JReese.


Shout it to the mountaintops!
RE: Stop the bullshit  
Jay in Toronto : 11/22/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14686218 djm said:
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The giants are not worse than 2017. They are younger across the board and opened up a ton of cap space. They also have a young Qb everyone can get behind.

I don’t know why some of you need to exaggerate to make a point. We all know the giants blow chunks but they aren’t worse off than 2017. Not by a long shot.


+1 The mistake was not doing a complete rebuild from the get-go.

Just like the draft, unfortunately you need the data over the course of several seasons
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