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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2019 9:24 am
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Game Review: Chicago Bears 19 – New York Giants 14 - ( New Window )
As usual, a painful game with a great recap that follows it  
jcn56 : 11/26/2019 9:37 am : link
thanks Sy!
I agree about Barkley  
Jints in Carolina : 11/26/2019 9:39 am : link
Too much dancing.
Thanks Sy  
ryanmkeane : 11/26/2019 9:40 am : link
what is your overall opinion of Shurmur after 27 games?
I look forward to.these to try to find out things are not working  
George from PA : 11/26/2019 9:43 am : link
I am so tired of seeing that shotgun draw....that Barkley runs into the back of an OLmen or worse....hit behind the line.....this is one of the worse plays but yet a staple of this team.....Barkley drop with open field in front of him....was just sad.

How does Solder just allow a simple speed rush around him....it was sinful.

I feel Ballentine is better suited to the outside corner as is Beal. Baker and or Jenkins can handle the slot better.....

Sy, thanks and thoughts?
Hmm....  
oldutican : 11/26/2019 9:43 am : link
Sy says Barkley “is playing soft.” I said that in a thread last week and was the target of personal insults from BBI’s cool kids.
barkley  
richinpa : 11/26/2019 9:59 am : link
Or any back just needs a crease.

None of our OL can beat the D off the ball to do this...simple

even Zeitler who is playing hurt and Hernandez are dissapointments. Not a guy on the OL that is not replaceable...cant do it all in one fell swoop. 2018 picks not looking that great now DG?
One point of disagreement in jones  
Now Mike in MD : 11/26/2019 10:04 am : link
I think the TD pass to tate was a wow moment
I think first STUD on that list should've been Riley DIxon  
Festina Lente : 11/26/2019 10:15 am : link
He should be probowl bound. He's been consistently good in a position we have historically been awful at. Hurrah for the punters
RE: One point of disagreement in jones  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14692629 Now Mike in MD said:
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I think the TD pass to tate was a wow moment


I thought that was a hell of a play by him too... he knew he was going to to get clobbered as he threw. Very Phil Simms like play.
You see Aaron Rodgers have a ton of those "chuck" it plays all the tim  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/26/2019 10:34 am : link
Same with Brett Favre. Some guys just make that play.
Rodgers  
Toth029 : 11/26/2019 10:38 am : link
Hasn't been chucking it lately.

Dude was averaging 3 yards per pass the other day. He is too hung on stats instea of forcing a throw even when down 20 points.
I also agree with SY about Chase Young, the people that want to trade  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/26/2019 10:40 am : link
down I don't think watch much college football. This guy reminds me a ton of Khalil Mack when he was at Buffallo, but he doesn't have that competition level question mark. Mack is going number 1 or 2 if he played at a major program.
I noticed the Shurmur/Barkley exchange too...  
Danthebigbluefan : 11/26/2019 10:42 am : link
While I agree with Shurmur, frankly I think that's indicative of where this team's mentality is at from a compete standpoint and respect for their HC.

Barkley looked to petulantly turn back and shoot his mouth back off to Shurmur.

Also, as an aside.. and this could be me being way too judgmental.... but the whole dangling earring #26 Saquon is rocking now just screams OBJ-like mentality of building his brand. I get the modern-athlete is a younger and more attuned professional that understands how to build brand for themselves. Saquon recently got a deal with Nike for his own line of apparel, and seeing him with that silly looking dangling earring on the sideline right after he dropped that 3rd down pass that hit him in the hands gave me great concerns about where his head's going.
Great  
AcidTest : 11/26/2019 10:46 am : link
review. Ballentine was spun around like a top.
RE: RE: One point of disagreement in jones  
Now Mike in MD : 11/26/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14692650 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14692629 Now Mike in MD said:


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I think the TD pass to tate was a wow moment



I thought that was a hell of a play by him too... he knew he was going to to get clobbered as he threw. Very Phil Simms like play.


And he dropped it perfectly between three defenders and the end line
Does anybody think  
Touchdown maker : 11/26/2019 11:18 am : link
Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?
Saquon will likely not make his living in the NFL . . . .  
TC : 11/26/2019 11:40 am : link
between the tackles. He's the same player in the NFL he was in school, but defenders are bigger, faster and hit harder. He doesn't like contact, he never did.

The major difference I see between his play last year and this is that he's running less instinctively and consequently taking longer to process what he's seeing, and seems to have less and less confidence in himself each game.

The Giants got what they saw and they can tell him he needs to be something else, and he can even tell himself that, but I don't think it's going to change. IMO, it would be better to use him to do what he is comfortable doing which obviously is not trying to run between the tackles on a team that largely can't run block.

You're a 22 year old with incredible physical gifts who will gain a lifetime of financial security and freedom in a couple years IF you DON'T get your body destroyed before then.

What would YOU do?
RE: Does anybody think  
Now Mike in MD : 11/26/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:
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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?


Yes, you are missing that he is a rookie, playing behind and awful OL, with limited weapons for much of the year. IMO, the fact that he has achieved this success in light of those factors is very impressive
RE: Thanks Sy  
Sy'56 : 11/26/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14692581 ryanmkeane said:
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what is your overall opinion of Shurmur after 27 games?


If I had to make a list of the 3 most hopeless coaches in the NFL

He is on it.
RE: I noticed the Shurmur/Barkley exchange too...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/26/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14692721 Danthebigbluefan said:
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While I agree with Shurmur, frankly I think that's indicative of where this team's mentality is at from a compete standpoint and respect for their HC.

Barkley looked to petulantly turn back and shoot his mouth back off to Shurmur.

Also, as an aside.. and this could be me being way too judgmental.... but the whole dangling earring #26 Saquon is rocking now just screams OBJ-like mentality of building his brand. I get the modern-athlete is a younger and more attuned professional that understands how to build brand for themselves. Saquon recently got a deal with Nike for his own line of apparel, and seeing him with that silly looking dangling earring on the sideline right after he dropped that 3rd down pass that hit him in the hands gave me great concerns about where his head's going.


It just seems like you're annoyed he dropped a pass. Even if he was all about "his brand", dropping passes and being an ineffective RB isnt his intention. His brand relies on being a good football player.

The earring doesnt mean anything. Just like fans got annoyed at Beckham like his hair was a sign he didnt care that much about football.
26  
penkap75 : 11/26/2019 12:01 pm : link
I understand he is hurt.
And when he has good wheels, he is big back that moves like a small back.
But when he needs to be a big back, he still plays like a small back.
Sometimes you just need to put your head down and run over some fools when you can't dance around them.
I agree on Julian Love  
cjac : 11/26/2019 12:03 pm : link
and the play he made on Robbinson

I know it was called back, but if it stands it saved a TD, and there's no way Bethea makes that tackle.
RE: RE: Thanks Sy  
jvm52106 : 11/26/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14692899 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14692581 ryanmkeane said:


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what is your overall opinion of Shurmur after 27 games?



If I had to make a list of the 3 most hopeless coaches in the NFL

He is on it.


I think that sums it up. I agree completely. To better illustrate:

Adam Gase- was considered over his head and completely baffled earlier this season- his team has put together a winning streak including beating PS's Giants.

Kingsbury- his team was very questionable coming into the season and his style not really sure it would be successful in the NFL. They have not beaten anyone of substance and they came into our home stadium and blew us off the ball and the game in the first quarter.

Nagy- The Bears have struggled all season and Naggy questioned about his play calling and teams approach. Yet somehow, once again, he looks like a tactician compared to PS.

This Giants team, in reality should be 1-10. The only lights are Jones, Lawrence, Slayton and the possible resurgence of Golden. That's it! Barkley to me is just a porsche over dirty bumpy roads. I see sports car and this team needs reliable transportation that can get throw the storms and over and through the potholes and rough surfaces.

RE: RE: RE: Thanks Sy  
jvm52106 : 11/26/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14692944 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14692899 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 14692581 ryanmkeane said:


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what is your overall opinion of Shurmur after 27 games?



If I had to make a list of the 3 most hopeless coaches in the NFL

He is on it.



I think that sums it up. I agree completely. To better illustrate:

Adam Gase- was considered over his head and completely baffled earlier this season- his team has put together a winning streak including beating PS's Giants.

Kingsbury- his team was very questionable coming into the season and his style not really sure it would be successful in the NFL. They have not beaten anyone of substance and they came into our home stadium and blew us off the ball and the game in the first quarter.

Nagy- The Bears have struggled all season and Naggy questioned about his play calling and teams approach. Yet somehow, once again, he looks like a tactician compared to PS.

This Giants team, in reality should be 1-10. The only lights are Jones, Lawrence, Slayton and the possible resurgence of Golden. That's it! Barkley to me is just a porsche over dirty bumpy roads. I see sports car and this team needs reliable transportation that can get throw the storms and over and through the potholes and rough surfaces.


throw=through...
Dave deserves combat pay for doing these.  
Crispino : 11/26/2019 12:34 pm : link
Imagine having to re-watch these atrocities week after week. What a chore. Thanks Dave.
I wish these write ups were seen by the Giants Front Office.  
Blue21 : 11/26/2019 12:35 pm : link
Wake up everybody up there! This is what we are all seeing and Sy is confirming it and actually adding things we don't see. I'm beginning to think this won't change with more talent.
RE: RE: One point of disagreement in jones  
clatterbuck : 11/26/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14692650 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14692629 Now Mike in MD said:


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I think the TD pass to tate was a wow moment



I thought that was a hell of a play by him too... he knew he was going to to get clobbered as he threw. Very Phil Simms like play.


Agree. Thought he threw a very accurate ball into a very right window under extreme pressure. Rather encouraging.
As always great review ..  
Bluesbreaker : 11/26/2019 12:47 pm : link
The Barkley thing is a little troubling but I also
think Shumur's game plan whatever that is and play calling
is the worst I have ever seen on the Giants he has
no idea how to use Barkley who now looks to have lost
confidence and focus you see plays in this game
where last season he would have made better gains he is
not seeing the field well and running into his own players
not hitting holes hard and dancing around . Shumur is
not the answer no way he coaches next season this
entire team has regressed weekly .
As bad as Ballentine looked I would rather he get the
play time along with Love Baker and Beal as you said
I still think Corey can play it's a big jump for
him lets see how he comes back .
Seen enough Chase Young all in on him as much as we
need a LT ,RT and a Center
Chase will change the face of the Defense let
the backups play and hope for the top pick !
Sy, your game reviews alone are worth my yearly contribution  
exiled : 11/26/2019 12:49 pm : link
That and your analysis before the draft. Thank you.

(Depressing as shit, though. I don’t know how you rewatch and analyze these games.)
Amen on playing the young DBs Sy.  
Racer : 11/26/2019 12:59 pm : link
Carroll has been developing projects in the secondary for years by giving them reps, albeit with what is obviously better coaching. They consistently get contributions in December and January because of it.
RE: I also agree with SY about Chase Young, the people that want to trade  
mdc1 : 11/26/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14692717 Zeke's Alibi said:
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down I don't think watch much college football. This guy reminds me a ton of Khalil Mack when he was at Buffallo, but he doesn't have that competition level question mark. Mack is going number 1 or 2 if he played at a major program.


bullshit, lets evaluate in playoffs. Somehow, the Buckeyes have played an only Big 10 schedule largely and have not seen a real offense yet. Back to Chase Young, let's see him against better teams. Young is a local product here in DC, a CYO high school that hired hookers on the road years ago and got caught. He would fit and fade better as a skins player

RE: Saquon will likely not make his living in the NFL . . . .  
mdc1 : 11/26/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14692882 TC said:
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between the tackles. He's the same player in the NFL he was in school, but defenders are bigger, faster and hit harder. He doesn't like contact, he never did.

The major difference I see between his play last year and this is that he's running less instinctively and consequently taking longer to process what he's seeing, and seems to have less and less confidence in himself each game.

The Giants got what they saw and they can tell him he needs to be something else, and he can even tell himself that, but I don't think it's going to change. IMO, it would be better to use him to do what he is comfortable doing which obviously is not trying to run between the tackles on a team that largely can't run block.

You're a 22 year old with incredible physical gifts who will gain a lifetime of financial security and freedom in a couple years IF you DON'T get your body destroyed before then.

What would YOU do?


Simplify. He think he is beginning to figure out he is on a bad team not committed to the run. Kind of naive. He is waiting for the exit out of here and playing it safe.

" In the 3rd quarter, Barkley caught a ball in the flat, did a little dance, then trotted out of bounds"
RE: Hmm....  
5BowlsSoon : 11/26/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14692586 oldutican said:
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Sy says Barkley “is playing soft.” I said that in a thread last week and was the target of personal insults from BBI’s cool kids.


Obviously Sy has mucho clout....you apparently have little to none. Therefore, Sy can say practically anything and the cool kids as you call them will at least respect him and his words....But you.....seeing that you are OLD, well, you know how Americans treat old people.

However, if you want to get back on the good side with the cool kids, talk bad about Shurmur, Rojas, Bethea, Ogletree, and Solder. You are sure to get a bunch of amens witH that.

RE: Does anybody think  
5BowlsSoon : 11/26/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:
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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?


May I suggest you take a course in “how to judge The value of ones football play.”
Saquon  
5BowlsSoon : 11/26/2019 2:06 pm : link
Anyone who criticizes Jones better be criticizing Saquon much louder. And why you are at it, criticize Engram, Shepard, and Tate for missing lots of games.
I am going to  
section125 : 11/26/2019 2:10 pm : link
completely disagree with the characterizing of the sack/fumble being on Jones. He was in the process of throwing when Mack whacked his arm. Like a tipped ball being picked off, that is not the QBs fault. We can say it was his 14th fumble, put it really wasn't. Yes stats assign it to the QB, just liked tipped passes are assigned to the QB. But they are both not on the QB. While Sy said he doesn't blame Jones, it goes without saying that when you quickly sight the total fumbles on the year, you kind of are.

After watching Zeke Elliot and Mark Ingram run like bulldozers, I have to agree that Barkley is not punishing anybody but us with his tippy toes running style.
RE: Does anybody think  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:
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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?
you are touching the 3rd rail. He is not to be mentioned here except to praise.
RE: I am going to  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14693191 section125 said:
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completely disagree with the characterizing of the sack/fumble being on Jones. He was in the process of throwing when Mack whacked his arm. Like a tipped ball being picked off, that is not the QBs fault. We can say it was his 14th fumble, put it really wasn't. Yes stats assign it to the QB, just liked tipped passes are assigned to the QB. But they are both not on the QB. While Sy said he doesn't blame Jones, it goes without saying that when you quickly sight the total fumbles on the year, you kind of are.

After watching Zeke Elliot and Mark Ingram run like bulldozers, I have to agree that Barkley is not punishing anybody but us with his tippy toes running style.
He was tapping the ball again which he does right before he is going to throw. He did it his college career. You don't think other teams have picked up on that yet and are going for the hand when the tapping starts? You think it's a coincidence he fumbles at least once a game?
RE: RE: I also agree with SY about Chase Young, the people that want to trade  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/26/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14693140 mdc1 said:
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In comment 14692717 Zeke's Alibi said:


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down I don't think watch much college football. This guy reminds me a ton of Khalil Mack when he was at Buffallo, but he doesn't have that competition level question mark. Mack is going number 1 or 2 if he played at a major program.



bullshit, lets evaluate in playoffs. Somehow, the Buckeyes have played an only Big 10 schedule largely and have not seen a real offense yet. Back to Chase Young, let's see him against better teams. Young is a local product here in DC, a CYO high school that hired hookers on the road years ago and got caught. He would fit and fade better as a skins player


Lol so you have a moral issue with him. I assure you that has nothing to do with him as a football player. You know how many of these guys pay hookers? Shit the NBA wouldn't even exist if you cracked down on that shit.
RE: RE: I also agree with SY about Chase Young, the people that want to trade  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/26/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14693140 mdc1 said:
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In comment 14692717 Zeke's Alibi said:


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down I don't think watch much college football. This guy reminds me a ton of Khalil Mack when he was at Buffallo, but he doesn't have that competition level question mark. Mack is going number 1 or 2 if he played at a major program.



bullshit, lets evaluate in playoffs. Somehow, the Buckeyes have played an only Big 10 schedule largely and have not seen a real offense yet. Back to Chase Young, let's see him against better teams. Young is a local product here in DC, a CYO high school that hired hookers on the road years ago and got caught. He would fit and fade better as a skins player


This Giants team sucks. I wouldn't care if he was employing a network of hookers if he was a 10+ sack guy a year. Forget the moralizing.
RE: RE: I am going to  
BillKo : 11/26/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14693196 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14693191 section125 said:


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completely disagree with the characterizing of the sack/fumble being on Jones. He was in the process of throwing when Mack whacked his arm. Like a tipped ball being picked off, that is not the QBs fault. We can say it was his 14th fumble, put it really wasn't. Yes stats assign it to the QB, just liked tipped passes are assigned to the QB. But they are both not on the QB. While Sy said he doesn't blame Jones, it goes without saying that when you quickly sight the total fumbles on the year, you kind of are.

After watching Zeke Elliot and Mark Ingram run like bulldozers, I have to agree that Barkley is not punishing anybody but us with his tippy toes running style.

He was tapping the ball again which he does right before he is going to throw. He did it his college career. You don't think other teams have picked up on that yet and are going for the hand when the tapping starts? You think it's a coincidence he fumbles at least once a game?


Aren't defenders simply trying to get to him, period, regardless of the tap?

You make it sound like they get close to prowl waiting for a tap to pounce..............
RE: I noticed the Shurmur/Barkley exchange too...  
MotownGIANTS : 11/26/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14692721 Danthebigbluefan said:
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While I agree with Shurmur, frankly I think that's indicative of where this team's mentality is at from a compete standpoint and respect for their HC.

Barkley looked to petulantly turn back and shoot his mouth back off to Shurmur.

Also, as an aside.. and this could be me being way too judgmental.... but the whole dangling earring #26 Saquon is rocking now just screams OBJ-like mentality of building his brand. I get the modern-athlete is a younger and more attuned professional that understands how to build brand for themselves. Saquon recently got a deal with Nike for his own line of apparel, and seeing him with that silly looking dangling earring on the sideline right after he dropped that 3rd down pass that hit him in the hands gave me great concerns about where his head's going.



You do realize he has ALWAYS worn an earring ....
We have reverted to a”Dave Jennings era” Our best player is our punter  
plato : 11/26/2019 3:40 pm : link
Sad times. The Bears game was horrible. I think the biggest problem is coaching and coach hiring. Shula, HUNter, Bettcherer, etc are terrible. Those hires are inexcusable. I don’t know if that’s all on PS, or did DG force them.

It only matters if i would favor firing the coaching staff or include DG, I am inclined to favor keeping DG based on our drafting, but if he forced those assistants on PS, than DG has to go as well. Keeping him promotes some stability in the FO which may be important.
RE: RE: Does anybody think  
Festina Lente : 11/26/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14693192 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:


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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?

you are touching the 3rd rail. He is not to be mentioned here except to praise.


I am not remotely qualified to evaluate QB's accurately but I get the same gut feeling as you. He seems just okay. Does some nice things but not wowing anyone.
RE: Does anybody think  
Nine-Tails : 11/26/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:
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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?


Have to disagree. I think he’s the goods. With his ball placement, I think with a solid line and strong play caller, he could light it up
RE: I wish these write ups were seen by the Giants Front Office.  
Rong5611 : 11/26/2019 4:46 pm : link
They are, if I were them I'd look at this board and others to determine the pulse of the fans.

I'm sure Hanlon, or more likely one of his minions, is keeping track BBI content, Twitter, etc.


In comment 14692999 Blue21 said:
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Wake up everybody up there! This is what we are all seeing and Sy is confirming it and actually adding things we don't see. I'm beginning to think this won't change with more talent.
RE: I think first STUD on that list should've been Riley DIxon  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/26/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14692643 Festina Lente said:
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He should be probowl bound. He's been consistently good in a position we have historically been awful at. Hurrah for the punters


As well as the punts that pinned the bears, he also managed to get down both a horrible snap and a very bad snap. (Unfortunately, Rosas still missed as I think his timing was off, but what Dixon did was heroic.)
RE: I think first STUD on that list should've been Riley DIxon  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/26/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14692643 Festina Lente said:
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He should be probowl bound. He's been consistently good in a position we have historically been awful at. Hurrah for the punters


As well as the punts that pinned the bears, he also managed to get down both a horrible snap and a very bad snap. (Unfortunately, Rosas still missed as I think his timing was off, but what Dixon did was heroic.)
RE: RE: I think first STUD on that list should've been Riley DIxon  
Festina Lente : 11/26/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14693473 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 14692643 Festina Lente said:


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He should be probowl bound. He's been consistently good in a position we have historically been awful at. Hurrah for the punters



As well as the punts that pinned the bears, he also managed to get down both a horrible snap and a very bad snap. (Unfortunately, Rosas still missed as I think his timing was off, but what Dixon did was heroic.)


Yes indeed. They even highlighted his quick hands on the commentary. Good stuff
A few things  
stretch234 : 11/27/2019 9:17 am : link
Barkley is dancing because he is about to get hit as soon as he gets the ball. It is a lot easier for some other guys to lower the shoulder when they have a head of steam and not hit by a defender until 3 yards forward. Barkley is hit often behind the line. Not ideal, but i get it. Saying that, you absolutely have to catch that pass that he dropped.

How this coaching staff cant get him involved in ways like McCaffrey is beyond puzzling. Even Elliott has a variety of passes he catches

I like Williams, and he is doubled almost every play. If they had some consistent edge presence, their DL would be very good. They really have 2 guys who have to be doubled inside, but there remains little fear on the outside

I agree about getting the young kids in the secondary playing. Jenkins can still play and to me is the type of player who is more into it when stakes are larger. Move him and get something. There is always a need for CB's



RE: RE: Does anybody think  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/27/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14693379 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:


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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?



Have to disagree. I think he’s the goods. With his ball placement, I think with a solid line and strong play caller, he could light it up


I'd say that 17 & 8 in light of these factors is excellent...

- HC who puts him in shotgun all the time, thus limiting effectiveness of star running back
- Said running back has been healthy for 1 and a half quarters in Jones' 9 starts
- offensive line vacillates between somewhat below average and non-competitive in pass and run blocking
- starting tight end struggles with health, drops, and blocking of any sort
- Tate and Shepard are virtually the same player, although one has been injured, the other suspended and now hurt
- the only deep threat is a 5th round draft choice rookie
game flow  
V.I.G. : 11/27/2019 9:44 am : link
.  
Amazinz : 11/27/2019 2:33 pm : link
Eh...

Shot at SB seems more provocative than substantive.

One can dream, but nice if these reviews had accompanying GIFs.
RE: Does anybody think  
Jimmy Googs : 11/27/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:
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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?


The scarecrow was missing a brain too...
RE: RE: Does anybody think  
alb345Tx : 11/27/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14693379 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14692822 Touchdown maker said:


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Jones has play matches his numbers? 17 tds to 8 picks? Seems very bleh to me. Don’t see any elite traits.

Am I Missing something?



Have to disagree. I think he’s the goods. With his ball placement, I think with a solid line and strong play caller, he could light it up

Also, 11 TDs to 1 INT in his last 4 starts seems encouraging.
It’s better to be lucky than good  
HomerJones45 : 11/27/2019 7:21 pm : link
He threw two to the Bears. One got dropped and the wideout committed a PI to stop another. Still has some bad habits carrying over from college. Lots of td’s in garbage time against soft defenses. Is he a championship qb or Ryan Tannehill- sometimes really good, sometimes really bad and a lot of meh in between? Remains to be seen.
RE: It’s better to be lucky than good  
alb345Tx : 11/27/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14694394 HomerJones45 said:
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He threw two to the Bears. One got dropped and the wideout committed a PI to stop another. Still has some bad habits carrying over from college. Lots of td’s in garbage time against soft defenses. Is he a championship qb or Ryan Tannehill- sometimes really good, sometimes really bad and a lot of meh in between? Remains to be seen.

I'm no particular fan of Tannehill, but it helps to play for a team that has at least some talent around him.

This year with the Titans, Tannehill has a QB rating of 111.4, tied with Lamar Jackson and barely behind Russell Wilson. He's 4-1 as a starter with the Titans.

People like Daniel Jeremiah are still sold on Tannehill.
Thanks Sy...  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2019 10:54 pm : link
Roy Robertson-Harris might be as good as Lenard Williams? Wow... what’s that say about Williams? This LW trade just sucks so hard.

Big Dex!

Agree about the kids in secondary playing. Especially about Peps shutting it down b/c I think still has a bright future here. Would have liked to have seen him shagging punts all season too.
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joeinpa : 11/28/2019 8:29 am : link
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completely disagree with the characterizing of the sack/fumble being on Jones. He was in the process of throwing when Mack whacked his arm. Like a tipped ball being picked off, that is not the QBs fault. We can say it was his 14th fumble, put it really wasn't. Yes stats assign it to the QB, just liked tipped passes are assigned to the QB. But they are both not on the QB. While Sy said he doesn't blame Jones, it goes without saying that when you quickly sight the total fumbles on the year, you kind of are.

After watching Zeke Elliot and Mark Ingram run like bulldozers, I have to agree that Barkley is not punishing anybody but us with his tippy toes running style.


Like with all narratives the evidence is spun to fit it.

At least 5 or 6 of Jones ‘ fumbles might be in the category out describe.
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HomerJones45 : 11/28/2019 9:43 am : link
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He threw two to the Bears. One got dropped and the wideout committed a PI to stop another. Still has some bad habits carrying over from college. Lots of td’s in garbage time against soft defenses. Is he a championship qb or Ryan Tannehill- sometimes really good, sometimes really bad and a lot of meh in between? Remains to be seen.


I'm no particular fan of Tannehill, but it helps to play for a team that has at least some talent around him.

This year with the Titans, Tannehill has a QB rating of 111.4, tied with Lamar Jackson and barely behind Russell Wilson. He's 4-1 as a starter with the Titans.

People like Daniel Jeremiah are still sold on Tannehill.
That's ol' Ryan- he can have stretches where he looks really good and then will have stretches that are really bad. That's why Miami waited 7 years for him to come around before concluding they would never be better than .500 with him and they needed to start over.
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