49ers and Ravens and the Barkley pick

Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon.

that the 49ers have the largest portion of their cap allocated to RB. Pats are #4 on the list.


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The point with Barkley has always been that running backs are a dime a dozen and you don’t need LaDainian Tomlinson to win. Also Saquon is not LaDainian Tomlinson at this point.

Running the back still matters. You can run the ball effectively without wasting the second overall pick on a running back. We should know that better than anyone, winning Super Bowls with Jacobs, Bradshaw, etc.

free agency or lower draft picks. They built their o-lines up along with the rest of their offense.

In an offense designed like Shurmur's the RB is a complimentary piece. No reason to draft Saquon to use him the way they do.

being able to use your RBs properly is as well. I get that our OL is weak, but not getting Saquon the ball in our final drive on short passing routes is a travesty. Asking him to remain and pass block while our hapless receivers can't even get open makes you really question the playcalling of Shurmur. Just get Saquon the ball in space and see what he can do instead of trying to squeeze another pass into tight coverage that our WRs can't seem to shake.

What a waste of a talent.

him in a way that highlights his only weakness. The opposition will never expect it. PS playing Parcheesi, everyone else playing checkers.

In comment 14692776 Oscar said:

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The point with Barkley has always been that running backs are a dime a dozen and you don’t need LaDainian Tomlinson to win. Also Saquon is not LaDainian Tomlinson at this point. Running the back still matters. You can run the ball effectively without wasting the second overall pick on a running back. We should know that better than anyone, winning Super Bowls with Jacobs, Bradshaw, etc.

That's a different question. One of the arguments has been that the RB position is devalued because the NFL rules make it a passing league

In comment 14692785 RC in MD said:

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being able to use your RBs properly is as well. I get that our OL is weak, but not getting Saquon the ball in our final drive on short passing routes is a travesty. Asking him to remain and pass block while our hapless receivers can't even get open makes you really question the playcalling of Shurmur. Just get Saquon the ball in space and see what he can do instead of trying to squeeze another pass into tight coverage that our WRs can't seem to shake. What a waste of a talent.

To be fair, they got Barkley the ball in the open field with man coverage by a LB against the Bears and he dropped it...

In comment 14692768 Chip said:

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Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon.

Bad argument. First of all, BBI consists of hundreds of members who rarely agree. There was far from a consensus on Rosen or Darnold, and I would argue a plurality of BBI’ers were against either.

We know the Jets paid heavily for trading up to get Darnold. If we trade with them, we end up with Quentin Nelson, and 2 Jets 2nd rounders (picks 36 & 37). Indy took LB Darius Leonard, only the AFC DROY, and their starter at RT, Braden Smith.

That is a haul, and how you rebuild a franchise.

In comment 14692796 giants#1 said:

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In comment 14692785 RC in MD said: Quote: being able to use your RBs properly is as well. I get that our OL is weak, but not getting Saquon the ball in our final drive on short passing routes is a travesty. Asking him to remain and pass block while our hapless receivers can't even get open makes you really question the playcalling of Shurmur. Just get Saquon the ball in space and see what he can do instead of trying to squeeze another pass into tight coverage that our WRs can't seem to shake. What a waste of a talent. To be fair, they got Barkley the ball in the open field with man coverage by a LB against the Bears and he dropped it...

That's one play. Can you think of any other attempts to do this. I can't

These players were drafted in round 2 or later, all really quality/capable running backs. Probably not as good as Saquon, however, more then capable of winning games.

Instead of drafting Saquon, we should have bolstered our O-Line with Quenton Nelson. Solid fronts are always the way to go, if not that, we should have at least taken the Linebacker from Georgia (Roquan Smith?)SP.

For the life of me, not even sure why this is being discussed anymore

Alvin Kamara
Kareem Hunt
Dalvin Cook
Austin Ekeler
Marlon Mack

But RBs are always available in FA and can be had cheaper or at the same level we are already paying SB. The positional value for our team was not there. If you look at the general length of career for a RB and the lack of talent we had it was a luxury pick and I thought it was a mistake at the time and still do. year 2 and the team is still terrible, he has not had the impact on O that was expected and now after injury he seems like he is running soft.

We would have been much better off with Nelson at guard even if we took Hernandez in the 2nd.

The point is was that for a team that was as bad as the Giants, we could have picked up a FA RB on the cheap and filled another position that is harder to find in FA. The SB pick has not improved our O. I think he is a great kid and will probably be a great player but he was not the best pick for the Giants and the Giants are a terrible fit for SB. his best years will be wasted here in rebuild mode.

In his draft. Nick Chubb is having a significantly better second season, even when you factor in Saquon’s injury. Not like the Browns have an all world offensive line either.

And particularly in the 2nd round.

Who on this board WOULDN'T trade Barkley and Hernandez for Nelson and Chubb? Because that could be what we're working with here now, and that'd be a much better team.

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In his draft. Nick Chubb is having a significantly better second season, even when you factor in Saquon’s injury. Not like the Browns have an all world offensive line either.

+1, glad someone posted it at the time as me.

People forget just how good Chubb was in college pre injury. He looked absolutely dominant and better than even Fournette.

I wanted Darnold (being honest here, although don't look now since he's been heating up), but for a "lines out, run the ball" guy Gettleman proclaims to be, Nelson and Chubb was the move and would have been much better asset/resource allocation.

In comment 14692798 Section331 said:

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In comment 14692768 Chip said: Quote: Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon. Bad argument. First of all, BBI consists of hundreds of members who rarely agree. There was far from a consensus on Rosen or Darnold, and I would argue a plurality of BBI’ers were against either. We know the Jets paid heavily for trading up to get Darnold. If we trade with them, we end up with Quentin Nelson, and 2 Jets 2nd rounders (picks 36 & 37). Indy took LB Darius Leonard, only the AFC DROY, and their starter at RT, Braden Smith. That is a haul, and how you rebuild a franchise.

God what a dream scenario that'd have been. Nelson, Chubb, Leonard, and a starter at RT.

That would have been franchise changing.

We're already only a year away from having to pay him or trade him, and we've gotten nothing real out of him.

It's pretty clear at this point the pick was a huge error.

In comment 14692778 GiantsFan84 said:

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In an offense designed like Shurmur's the RB is a complimentary piece. No reason to draft Saquon to use him the way they do.

That, to me is the big issue.

Did Gettleman do his due diligence on Shurmur's offensive history before allowing him to get within sniffing distance of the head coaching job?

Assuming he knew Barkley was going to be his choice in the draft unless something changed the equation, two things are in play.

1. Gettleman knew Shurmur's history and took Saquon under the impression that the coach would be smart enough to figure it out.

2. Gettleman didn't know Shurmur's history. Yet, he bought into a whole bunch of his other qualities. He took Saquon but had no clue how he was going to be used.

If it's #2, then that is a fireable offense considering you would use the #2 pick in the draft on a player that your hand-selected coach never had plans on building an offense around to start with.

Remember last year, the coach said it took him until the bye week (8 games in) to realize he should give Barkley the ball more than he was. What?? And this is when the games were relatively close and they weren't getting blown out on their way to 1-7.

the Colts did that draft.

In comment 14692844 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 14692798 Section331 said: Quote: In comment 14692768 Chip said: Quote: Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon. Bad argument. First of all, BBI consists of hundreds of members who rarely agree. There was far from a consensus on Rosen or Darnold, and I would argue a plurality of BBI’ers were against either. We know the Jets paid heavily for trading up to get Darnold. If we trade with them, we end up with Quentin Nelson, and 2 Jets 2nd rounders (picks 36 & 37). Indy took LB Darius Leonard, only the AFC DROY, and their starter at RT, Braden Smith. That is a haul, and how you rebuild a franchise. God what a dream scenario that'd have been. Nelson, Chubb, Leonard, and a starter at RT. That would have been franchise changing.

But as some of the beat reporters and those "close" to the Giants were putting out there pre-draft, the Giants didn't want to deal with the Jets out of fear that they would be responsible for handing them a potential "franchise quarterback" who they eventually drafted with the next pick anyway because they simply offered the same trade to the Colts.

for a position that gets hit every time he touches the ball it's probably better not to invest the #2 overall.

in hindsight we would have been better trading with the Jets.

Dude is a beast for Indy. But do you really take a guard 2nd overall, come on. Saquon needs a supporting cast just like every RB/QB/WR needs in today's game.

In comment 14692915 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 14692844 Sonic Youth said: Quote: In comment 14692798 Section331 said: Quote: In comment 14692768 Chip said: Quote: Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon. Bad argument. First of all, BBI consists of hundreds of members who rarely agree. There was far from a consensus on Rosen or Darnold, and I would argue a plurality of BBI’ers were against either. We know the Jets paid heavily for trading up to get Darnold. If we trade with them, we end up with Quentin Nelson, and 2 Jets 2nd rounders (picks 36 & 37). Indy took LB Darius Leonard, only the AFC DROY, and their starter at RT, Braden Smith. That is a haul, and how you rebuild a franchise. God what a dream scenario that'd have been. Nelson, Chubb, Leonard, and a starter at RT. That would have been franchise changing. But as some of the beat reporters and those "close" to the Giants were putting out there pre-draft, the Giants didn't want to deal with the Jets out of fear that they would be responsible for handing them a potential "franchise quarterback" who they eventually drafted with the next pick anyway because they simply offered the same trade to the Colts.

tbf, that's a viable concern at the time. I know I'd have been apoplectic if they traded Darnold to the Jets.

But I was apoplectic at the Barkley pick and wanted Chubb in the 2nd anyway. I'd probably have gotten over Nelson since he's already one of the best interior OLs in the NFL already.

was ass backwards then, and it's proven out to be so. As Terps said, we're close to having to pay SB now and the rest of the team is in shambles.

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that the 49ers have the largest portion of their cap allocated to RB. Pats are #4 on the list. Link - ( New Window )

One of the 49ers first signings of their new regime was to sign McKinnon from Minnesota.

Unfortunately, he has not been able to stay healthy and get on the field.

However...a player that has made up for that poor decision was Matt Breida, an undrafted player they signed that same year in 2017.

While McKinnon hasn't played much, Breida has. The last two seasons, he's averaged at least 5 yards per carry and was 4.4 in the rookie year. They were able to negate the bad signing (as it played out) with a player giving them quality production at league minimum money.

They went and signed Coleman because Shanahan knew him from Atlanta and wanted the two-headed RB tandem he had when Freeman was part of his offense.

Running back depth. That is what you want to have. Remember when the Giants had Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw for those 2 seasons. Ward gets hurt in 2017, but Bradshaw steps in. Jacobs gets nicked up and has to miss a game, but we had two guys ready to step in and not miss a beat.

49ers this season have 3 RB's with at least 70 carries. To put that in perspective, the person with second most carries on the Giants this season is Jones with 34.

They probably will release McKinnon after the season, resetting their money allocation to the RB position. But you can get away with it for one season. Putting $15/$20 million for multiple seasons? Bad business.

In comment 14692857 Go Terps said:

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We're already only a year away from having to pay him or trade him, and we've gotten nothing real out of him. It's pretty clear at this point the pick was a huge error.

How So? He's in the 2nd year of a four year contract with a 5th year option? Am I missing something?

In comment 14692932 Sonic Youth said:

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tbf, that's a viable concern at the time. I know I'd have been apoplectic if they traded Darnold to the Jets. But I was apoplectic at the Barkley pick and wanted Chubb in the 2nd anyway. I'd probably have gotten over Nelson since he's already one of the best interior OLs in the NFL already.

To your point Sonic, that is where you have management who has to look at the decision devoid of emotion, because that's really what the trade boiled down to.

You have a team (Giants) needing many pieces to rebuild. You have a team (Jets) who have the assets you want and where a deal can be struck. Yet, for reasons beyond football, you don't want to do such a transaction.

If we replace "Jets" with "Bills" and they had those same picks, does this same deal get made? To me, it's very probable.

And let's say we do made the deal with the Jets and Darnold becomes a good QB and the Giants get the three players the Colts eventually drafted and both teams win. Would that have been so bad?

Two years later, the Giants are still looking for those players the Colts now have.

In comment 14692955 JFIB said:

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In comment 14692857 Go Terps said: Quote: We're already only a year away from having to pay him or trade him, and we've gotten nothing real out of him. It's pretty clear at this point the pick was a huge error. How So? He's in the 2nd year of a four year contract with a 5th year option? Am I missing something?

What Terps is saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that with the precedent set by Elliott getting a new contract from Dallas after his third season this past summer, Barkley and his reps are going to ask for the same thing and will holdout to get his money.

In comment 14692932 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 14692915 BigBlueinChicago said: Quote: In comment 14692844 Sonic Youth said: Quote: In comment 14692798 Section331 said: Quote: In comment 14692768 Chip said: Quote: Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon. Bad argument. First of all, BBI consists of hundreds of members who rarely agree. There was far from a consensus on Rosen or Darnold, and I would argue a plurality of BBI’ers were against either. We know the Jets paid heavily for trading up to get Darnold. If we trade with them, we end up with Quentin Nelson, and 2 Jets 2nd rounders (picks 36 & 37). Indy took LB Darius Leonard, only the AFC DROY, and their starter at RT, Braden Smith. That is a haul, and how you rebuild a franchise. God what a dream scenario that'd have been. Nelson, Chubb, Leonard, and a starter at RT. That would have been franchise changing. But as some of the beat reporters and those "close" to the Giants were putting out there pre-draft, the Giants didn't want to deal with the Jets out of fear that they would be responsible for handing them a potential "franchise quarterback" who they eventually drafted with the next pick anyway because they simply offered the same trade to the Colts. tbf, that's a viable concern at the time. I know I'd have been apoplectic if they traded Darnold to the Jets. But I was apoplectic at the Barkley pick and wanted Chubb in the 2nd anyway. I'd probably have gotten over Nelson since he's already one of the best interior OLs in the NFL already.

To be fair, if we make that trade with the Jets we probably don't get Nelson.

Draft probably goes
1) Baker
2) Darnold to Jets
3) Nelson to Indy
4) Saquon to Cle (total guess - I think they take him over Denzel)
5) Chubb to the Broncos
6) Denzel? Roquan?

Isn't their rumors of Roquan retiring?

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But as some of the beat reporters and those "close" to the Giants were putting out there pre-draft, the Giants didn't want to deal with the Jets out of fear that they would be responsible for handing them a potential "franchise quarterback" who they eventually drafted with the next pick anyway because they simply offered the same trade to the Colts.

Yes, I read that too, and it is infuriating. I have no doubt those reports are true, and if they are, it is an indictment of how this franchise conducts its business. Make the moves you think are best and don’t look back.

If you look at the Ravens OL, only one #1 pick
5th rounder at G
Undrafted at Center
2 3rd rounders at RT and G

TE is a 5th rounder from Delaware in terms of starting depth

But you have the amazing Lamar who can make even bad blocking look good.

RBs need a crease..that is it. Our Ol can't move anyone and is why our offense sucks and SB is having issues. Last years OL was better than this year...

Hernandez as a #2 pick is a huge dissapointment. It gets lost as we are very focused on our horrible RT and LT.

Zeitler is hurt. Jury still out but why would anyone trade him if he was rock solid?

Centers are not starters...but valid backups

It all sucks. We are going to waste SB while DG continues to mess up on his #1 priority which was building the trenches. If he stays, the mess continues.

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I wanted Darnold (being honest here, although don't look now since he's been heating up)

This debate is definitely not closed. He's probably too erratic a player in the long run but he's put up some big games.

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In comment 14692768 Chip said: Quote: Rosen or Darnold. No brainer Saquon. Bad argument. First of all, BBI consists of hundreds of members who rarely agree. There was far from a consensus on Rosen or Darnold, and I would argue a plurality of BBI’ers were against either. We know the Jets paid heavily for trading up to get Darnold. If we trade with them, we end up with Quentin Nelson, and 2 Jets 2nd rounders (picks 36 & 37). Indy took LB Darius Leonard, only the AFC DROY, and their starter at RT, Braden Smith. That is a haul, and how you rebuild a franchise.

+1

In comment 14692840 Sonic Youth said:

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And particularly in the 2nd round. Who on this board WOULDN'T trade Barkley and Hernandez for Nelson and Chubb? Because that could be what we're working with here now, and that'd be a much better team.

+1

Saquon is already the #6 highest RB contract

Where if you look at the premium FA positions like OT,CB,ER

those rookie deals rarely crack the top 30...

Nick BOSA is only the 26th highest paid edge rusher...
Denzel Ward is only the 31st highest paid corner
Tunisl and Dillard 27/31 highest paid LT

makes you feel nauseous when thinking we pay solder #2 overall

In comment 14693065 richinpa said:

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If you look at the Ravens OL, only one #1 pick 5th rounder at G Undrafted at Center 2 3rd rounders at RT and G TE is a 5th rounder from Delaware in terms of starting depth But you have the amazing Lamar who can make even bad blocking look good. RBs need a crease..that is it. Our Ol can't move anyone and is why our of sucks and SB is having issues. Last years OL was better than this year... Hernandez as a #2 pick is a huge dissapointment. It gets lost as we are very focused on our horrible RT and LT. Their offensive line is devastating. Honestly, have you watched them at all? Zeitler is hurt. Jury still out but why would anyone trade him if he was rock solid? Centers are not starters...but valid backups It all sucks. We are going to waste SB while DG continues to mess up on his #1 priority which was building the trenches. If he stays, the mess continues.

Gettleman went out and picked a SOFT running back number 2.

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Gettleman went out and picked a SOFT running back number 2.

And mediocre.
We were sold that this guy was a sure fire HOF player that was touched by the hand of God.
Quite frankly he fucking sucks.

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In comment 14693306 Marty866b said: Quote: Gettleman went out and picked a SOFT running back number 2. And mediocre. We were sold that this guy was a sure fire HOF player that was touched by the hand of God. Quite frankly he fucking sucks.

isn't it a little early to say he fucking sucks? he was ROY last year. this year he missed 3 games with an ankle injury came back early and has had a lousy 5 games.

it might be true that it was not a wise pick in 2018 w the 2 overall, but this year he probably should have been held out til after the bye.

if shurmur had any balls he'd have sat him down and started gallman after the first or second game back when it was clear he wasn't getting it done.

In comment 14693400 japanhead said:

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In comment 14693313 Default said: Quote: In comment 14693306 Marty866b said: Quote: Gettleman went out and picked a SOFT running back number 2. And mediocre. We were sold that this guy was a sure fire HOF player that was touched by the hand of God. Quite frankly he fucking sucks. isn't it a little early to say he fucking sucks?

Yes, but it also was way too early to call him the next Barry Sanders, but that didn't stop people..

In comment 14693400 japanhead said:

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In comment 14693313 Default said: Quote: In comment 14693306 Marty866b said: Quote: Gettleman went out and picked a SOFT running back number 2. And mediocre. We were sold that this guy was a sure fire HOF player that was touched by the hand of God. Quite frankly he fucking sucks. isn't it a little early to say he fucking sucks? he was ROY last year. this year he missed 3 games with an ankle injury came back early and has had a lousy 5 games. it might be true that it was not a wise pick in 2018 w the 2 overall, but this year he probably should have been held out til after the bye. if shurmur had any balls he'd have sat him down and started gallman after the first or second game back when it was clear he wasn't getting it done.

I have said since before the draft that unless they wanted to draft a QB, the right decision is to move down and pick up the really good talent that was there in that draft.. but there is no way Barkley sucks.. Barkley is a damn good player.. its the rest of the team that sucks..

and soon enough your players mentality changes and that has happened to Barkley.. because of all this losing.. We have a losing culture.. we have a loser coach.. we have a GM who is planning to stop the 85 bears offense..

He miscalculated the status of this franchise and did not get the value out of that draft slot that could have been attained.

I don’t care why...hand of god, the other QBs weren’t the goods, arrogance, pretzel and hot dog offers, whatever.

And we are worse off because of it.

That’s all I have to say about that...

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that the 49ers have the largest portion of their cap allocated to RB. Pats are #4 on the list. Link - ( New Window )

Lol.

In comment 14692840 Sonic Youth said:

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And particularly in the 2nd round. Who on this board WOULDN'T trade Barkley and Hernandez for Nelson and Chubb? Because that could be what we're working with here now, and that'd be a much better team.

A much better team? Really now. That team is MUCH better than a team with Barkley and Hernandez?? Color me skeptical...

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was ass backwards then, and it's proven out to be so. As Terps said, we're close to having to pay SB now and the rest of the team is in shambles.

Yes, let’s worry about the money! Money that hasn’t even been paid yet, lol.

You guys form your own stress points out of thin air.

Some people on here were against the pick then and will take it to their grave no matter what happens in the next five year!

In comment 14693452 djm said:

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Nelson is light years, LIGHT YEARS, better than Hernandez. Not even in the same planet.

Chubb is having a better year than Barkley this year, and was just as special in college pre knee injury. Whether he is as good of as an athlete or pass catcher doesn't seem to be mattering right now, does it?

Plus, the entire premise of this thread is that RBs can be had for later. Well, Chubb went 32+ picks after Barkley and is producing way more this year.

Not to mention he's a much better fit for our dogshit line than an hobbled Barkley. Barkley prefers to dance even though he has the frame and body to dish out some punishment.

In comment 14693452 djm said:

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Nelson is light years, LIGHT YEARS, better than Hernandez. Not even in the same planet.

Chubb is having a better year than Barkley this year, and was just as special in college pre knee injury. Whether he is as good of as an athlete or pass catcher doesn't seem to be mattering right now, does it?

Plus, the entire premise of this thread is that RBs can be had for later. Well, Chubb went 32+ picks after Barkley and is producing way more this year.

Not to mention he's a much better fit for our dogshit line than an hobbled Barkley. Barkley prefers to dance even though he has the frame and body to dish out some punishment.

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Some people on here were against the pick then and will take it to their grave no matter what happens in the next five year!

Barkley's hurt in season 2, you think he's gonna not get hurt by year 7?

Please go ahead and look at yr 7 of all the big time RBs from 2005 on.

In comment 14693033 crackerjack465 said:

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To be fair, if we make that trade with the Jets we probably don't get Nelson. Draft probably goes 1) Baker 2) Darnold to Jets 3) Nelson to Indy 4) Saquon to Cle (total guess - I think they take him over Denzel) 5) Chubb to the Broncos 6) Denzel? Roquan? Isn't their rumors of Roquan retiring?

Good point. He would have been gone by pick 3 most likely, considering Luck was playing and not protecting Luck was a major pain point (though who knows, maybe they would go Bradley Chubb) -- and saying that we should have taken a G at #2 overall was something that wasn't super popular. There were def people saying it, but they are in the minority for sure

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Dude is a beast for Indy. But do you really take a guard 2nd overall, come on. Saquon needs a supporting cast just like every RB/QB/WR needs in today's game.

Disagree. Darnold also would've been a better pick. That move could also have led to drafting Josh Allen, Devin Bush or Jonah Williams in 2019.

In comment 14693448 Jimmy Googs said:

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He miscalculated the status of this franchise and did not get the value out of that draft slot that could have been attained. I don’t care why...hand of god, the other QBs weren’t the goods, arrogance, pretzel and hot dog offers, whatever. And we are worse off because of it. Gump, you are a fucking genius!!! That’s all I have to say about that...

CAN BE a great receiving threat if used properly.

The great 49ers brought in Coleman from Atlanta. Atlanta has regressed, 49ers look great running. Obviously Shanahan values RB.

McCaffrey (a high pick) makes the Panthers go, and they were a missed chip shot field goal away from beating New Orleans. The Vikings have a great dual threat back in Dalvin Cook, as does New Orleans with Kamara, as does Dallas with Elliot (another high pick). Take away any of these RBs and let me know if you think their respective teams would be any good.

I agree that Chubb has looked great for the Browns (but does have some ball security issues). The Colts are coming back down to earth a bit. Nelson is a great Guard, but how has the free agent on Jacksonville that everyone wanted helped.


The bottom line is there are many ways to win, but you need to assemble talent. Barkely is a unique talent having a down year. He will bounce back. Also, great backs have pretty good longevity.

Mayfield was gone. None of the the subsequent QBs ot anyone else in that draft has shown to be a better value or a better player than Barkley. Jones looks as good as Darnold. Bit whatever

But nope. Hold on to being wrong. Never gets old here.

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These two teams have shown you can win with a great running game and great defense and the running game can still help a QB.

this is actually backwards - it's Lamar Jackson that's helping the running game in Baltimore. We saw the same during Michael Vick's prime years, where because of his abilities to run with the ball opposing defenses would constantly have to spy the QB. It ultimately lead to several deficiencies in the defense including effectively responding to the rush - same thing happening in Baltimore.

San Fran legitimately has a great rushing attack, but that doesn't really lend itself to the argument that being able to run the ball still supercedes passing - the 49ers also have the #1 defense in the league. They're dominant on that side of the ball, and of course the ability to make stops defensively and protect leads makes it much easier to commit to running the ball.