Upset about paying Eli? The guy helped deliver two SB Championships, and some of the greatest games ever by a Giant QB during the two playoff runs, with teams that hardly had the best talent both years.
You think the Browns fans would be upset if they got a QB with 2 magic runs in him? The Jets fans? The Bengals fans? You want to trade Eli's career with Philip Rivers?
Trust me, the SD fans would be HAPPY to pay the guy, and I'll bet Eli would have gotten more than 2 rings in San Diego. You really think Rivers would have done that here, trying to run Gilbride's offense vs Norm Turner's??
Yes, a lot of Eli's career was disappointing, but that had more to do with the failure of the Front Office to provide proper coaching and talent for most of it.
Carry on, though, with throwing crap on one of the classiest people ever to put on the uniform. Guys like Simms and Eli come around once a generation to teams like the Giants, if at all. Makes you wonder why anyone would come to this franchise willingly, other than cash.
NY Giants fans = New Yorkers (or the majority, at least)
I don't think he's actively rooting for them to lose or anything, unless he's an awful person he has some friends there who will lose jobs with poor play, but he'll probably wishes he could go out on a high note
bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
Last time I heard, this is PRO football. Players negotiate with the Front Office on what they get paid, and it's well known that QB's get paid higher than other players.
Eli didn't hold out, he got what was scale at the time for teams re-signing starting QB's, and in his case, a QB that was MVP for two Super Bowls. During the time Eli's been around, there have been MULTIPLE QB contracts that have been higher than his, or at that level. For 2019 OTC Salary Cap Value:
Matt Stafford $29,500,000
Kirk Cousins $29,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $26,500,000
Russell Wilson $26,286,766
Ben Roethlisberger $26,200,000
Eli Manning $23,200,000
Cam Newton $23,200,000
Philip Rivers $23,000,000
Drew Brees $22,700,000
Derek Carr $22,500,000
Tom Brady $21,500,000
Jameis Winston $20,922,000
Marcus Mariota $20,922,000
Alex Smith $20,400,000
What has Stafford done to earn his salary? Or Cousins? Or Cam Newton? Rivers? Carr? Winston? Smith? Mariota? Tell me all the SuperBowls they've won...I'm waiting.
And yes, there are better QB's on that list than Manning. But how many have 2 or more? What's the excuse for Rodgers? He's had better teams than Eli's had. Smith had a better 49'er team than Eli back in 2011, what did he win?
Yes, the Giants could have cut ties with Eli earlier, but is that Eli's fault? The fault is with the Front office/ownership, but I still hear bullshit from fans complaining about Eli's salary, when that was a decision made by the same front office that extended OBJ's contract.
The FACTS are, no one cares about great QB's who don't win multiple Super Bowls. Ones that can (like Brady, Big Ben and Eli) are worth it. If you lived through the debacle from the mid 60's to 1980, you'd understand why.
Would he be willing to go somewhere else even if it meant he would not be a starter? He might like being around the game a few more years. If he makes that choice - it's up to him.
RE: him being washed up - biggest issue was the failure to put players around him that could compensate as his skills wore down. Mgt. ignored Gilbride's warnings and when they decided to address the OLine - poor scouting & personnel decisions doomed the rest of his career.
He's got a young family and would bring a lot of value to whatever he chooses to do next. If I was a betting man - I'd say he walks away. The only way he doesn't is if he just wants to stay around the game, regardless of what form that takes.
He's beena great employee - given the organization and fan base everything he had.
bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
Last time I heard, this is PRO football. Players negotiate with the Front Office on what they get paid, and it's well known that QB's get paid higher than other players.
Eli didn't hold out, he got what was scale at the time for teams re-signing starting QB's, and in his case, a QB that was MVP for two Super Bowls. During the time Eli's been around, there have been MULTIPLE QB contracts that have been higher than his, or at that level. For 2019 OTC Salary Cap Value:
Matt Stafford $29,500,000
Kirk Cousins $29,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $26,500,000
Russell Wilson $26,286,766
Ben Roethlisberger $26,200,000
Eli Manning $23,200,000
Cam Newton $23,200,000
Philip Rivers $23,000,000
Drew Brees $22,700,000
Derek Carr $22,500,000
Tom Brady $21,500,000
Jameis Winston $20,922,000
Marcus Mariota $20,922,000
Alex Smith $20,400,000
What has Stafford done to earn his salary? Or Cousins? Or Cam Newton? Rivers? Carr? Winston? Smith? Mariota? Tell me all the SuperBowls they've won...I'm waiting.
And yes, there are better QB's on that list than Manning. But how many have 2 or more? What's the excuse for Rodgers? He's had better teams than Eli's had. Smith had a better 49'er team than Eli back in 2011, what did he win?
Yes, the Giants could have cut ties with Eli earlier, but is that Eli's fault? The fault is with the Front office/ownership, but I still hear bullshit from fans complaining about Eli's salary, when that was a decision made by the same front office that extended OBJ's contract.
The FACTS are, no one cares about great QB's who don't win multiple Super Bowls. Ones that can (like Brady, Big Ben and Eli) are worth it. If you lived through the debacle from the mid 60's to 1980, you'd understand why.
I don't disagree with any of that and it's not my point.
And it may not be Eli's fault, so I think there is a little bit of Eli protectionism going on where some of his fans are so sensitive that they bristle at any suggestion he should be or should have been replaced.
My point is Eli has won two Super Bowls, and most fans revere him for that, but he was in decline a couple years ago and if the Giants were well run they would have recognized they could not provide the right pieces around him to field a competitive team built for the long haul and blew it up then and started the rebuild sooner - including replacing Eli.
Instead they seemed desperate for "one last run" and forced moves like Solder, Omamah and even this year Remmers, even overpaying a TE like Ellison. All because IMO they overestimated exactly what Eli could do with a few additions.
So, no, I do not think as a fan base, Giants fans are spoiled for suggesting Eli should have been replaced when he was or replaced sooner or suggesting that his cap hit is not commensurate with his current ablity and it's not even disrespectful to him. And it has nothing to do with what Matthew Stafford or Derek Carr (as examples) get paid.
It's emotionless football operations and IMO that's how a front office needs to operate. without emotion. Straight facts, data, and hard decisions about expected future production given the other 53 players on the roster.
I wouldn't trade the super bowls Eli helped win for a cheaper QB, so it's not about Eli, but i probably would have cut bait in 2017 and swallowed a dead cap pill then or tried to trade him. And I don't think I'm spoiled for saying so.
bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
Last time I heard, this is PRO football. Players negotiate with the Front Office on what they get paid, and it's well known that QB's get paid higher than other players.
Eli didn't hold out, he got what was scale at the time for teams re-signing starting QB's, and in his case, a QB that was MVP for two Super Bowls. During the time Eli's been around, there have been MULTIPLE QB contracts that have been higher than his, or at that level. For 2019 OTC Salary Cap Value:
Matt Stafford $29,500,000
Kirk Cousins $29,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $26,500,000
Russell Wilson $26,286,766
Ben Roethlisberger $26,200,000
Eli Manning $23,200,000
Cam Newton $23,200,000
Philip Rivers $23,000,000
Drew Brees $22,700,000
Derek Carr $22,500,000
Tom Brady $21,500,000
Jameis Winston $20,922,000
Marcus Mariota $20,922,000
Alex Smith $20,400,000
What has Stafford done to earn his salary? Or Cousins? Or Cam Newton? Rivers? Carr? Winston? Smith? Mariota? Tell me all the SuperBowls they've won...I'm waiting.
And yes, there are better QB's on that list than Manning. But how many have 2 or more? What's the excuse for Rodgers? He's had better teams than Eli's had. Smith had a better 49'er team than Eli back in 2011, what did he win?
Yes, the Giants could have cut ties with Eli earlier, but is that Eli's fault? The fault is with the Front office/ownership, but I still hear bullshit from fans complaining about Eli's salary, when that was a decision made by the same front office that extended OBJ's contract.
The FACTS are, no one cares about great QB's who don't win multiple Super Bowls. Ones that can (like Brady, Big Ben and Eli) are worth it. If you lived through the debacle from the mid 60's to 1980, you'd understand why.
in the first place. Now, I could see an athlete him watching this shit show, especially the OL, and think he's not done and he wasn't the problem.
In the right situation next year, I could see him still having success. Where? I don't know. But, if I'm him, I don't sign with anyone not at least a contender.
Now, what GMs and coaches think about him, I have no idea. But, they at least see a shit show of a team, so it's not like benching him was the answer.
I doubt Eli would be willing to make ceremonial starts. If there was a legitimate reason he needed to start, he’d be ready and would do his professional best. But a couple of farewell starts would probably be politely declined.
There are guys in the NFL who are pretty much only in it for the paycheck. Does anyone really believe that Eli Manning is one of those guys? He comes from money; he's made a fortune of his own. Does anybody believe he's gloating over easy paychecks?
More likely he's feeling a combination of humiliation for being benched, humiliation for the disaster of the last couple of years, embarrassment for the organization, frustration at not being able to play and compete and empathy for Jones, who's got a tough road ahead.
Eli has to also know that the coaching is a problem, and is not going to talk about that.
It’s not uncommon for people to transpose their own values onto something one else and assume that must be how the other person is.
"What the hell did Peyton see in that Papa John clown?" Â
yes let’s ignore the erroneous assumptions and Strawmen.
The problem with you guys is you think coaches and qb’s who can win championships are fungible and you can just go get one off the shelf. There’s a reason you can count the number of qb’s and coaches with multiple championships in the history of the NFL and are not in the HOF on one hand.
If Eli really wanted to keep playing he should have said trade me to Â
another team. Taking a QB with the early first round pick should have told him he was over with the Giants. He is collecting a paycheck close to home in my opinion. Does anyone think he is that stupid to think he thought this team was ready to go on a playoff run? And that he would have one last glory year? Frankly this to me is embarrassing for him to be there on the sideline eating sunflower seeds. Sad.
“I know why I’m still here but why the fuck is Tanney still here?!” Â
yes let’s ignore the erroneous assumptions and Strawmen.
The problem with you guys is you think coaches and qb’s who can win championships are fungible and you can just go get one off the shelf. There’s a reason you can count the number of qb’s and coaches with multiple championships in the history of the NFL and are not in the HOF on one hand.
Be specific, what assumptions were erroneous and what argument was a strawman.
The biggest flaws with your word salad post is I never said a championship coach or QB are fungible and I never claimed that either is easy to find. So, in an ironic twist it is you who throws out the cliched strawman argument who is in fact arguing a strawman. In fact I never assumed anything about championships at all, the only time I even wrote the word was to express how I was grateful to Eli for his contribution to the two he won.
What i did is suggest a competent front office should be able to see when their highly paid QB and core roster are no longer reliably capable of winning a championship and instead of leveraging the future and making desperation moves some fans would respect a measured, methodical rebuild that involves replacing the QB and I did not think that POV represents a spoiled fan base nor is it disrespectful to the QB.
Eli's head? Daniel Jones is the Giants QB. I thank Eli for all he did for the Giants and their fans. I thank Eli for two Super Bowls. I thank Eli for quiet class. I wish Eli and his family well.
I do not care what Eli is thinking.
Is doing just fine. He’s made far more money than 99.99% of anyone on this country will ever see. He’s been at the height of his profession, appears to have a nice wife and kids.
For a long time the Giants were bad in spite of very good play from Eli. Starting in 2016 Eli became part of the problem, only to seriously tail off in 2017 and 18. Part of the reason the Giants are in the current mess lies solely in the fact that they refused to move on from Eli when they had opportunity after the 2017 season. Instead they doubled down on a band aid approach that tied up valuable resources in positions of limited value. Whether they drafted Darnold, Chubb, and Josh Allen or Nelson, Chubb, and Jones, all would have had a better impact on rebuilding than the current state of the team.
So I don’t really care nor wonder what Eli is thinking because we've all paid him very handsomely over the years, whether you are a season ticket holder (I am), purchased Eli memorabilia, or fan gear you’ve contributed to his salary. I don’t think he’ll catch on with another team and if he does the situation we need be near perfect for him to play quality football.
As much as i'd love to be in there i'm glad I don't have to play behind this o-line.
Our o-line seems to get worse each year no matter what we do. We have the top running back in the league (screw Elliot) in we can't average more than 2 yards per run if that.
Disgusting. Starting to lose faith in shurmur as well.
yes let’s ignore the erroneous assumptions and Strawmen.
The problem with you guys is you think coaches and qb’s who can win championships are fungible and you can just go get one off the shelf. There’s a reason you can count the number of qb’s and coaches with multiple championships in the history of the NFL and are not in the HOF on one hand.
I have lots of problems but that isn't one of them. Not sure what at all pj wrote was erroneous or full of straw so please fill us problem-ladened posters in on your thoughts versus counting using your hands.
Or maybe just re-read his last line below which gives ultimate respect for Eli the player but realization that the front office has to always keep the team at the forefront.
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I love what Eli has done as a Giant and he may possibly make the Hall of Fame for it, but maligning the fan base for wanting to replace him at some point ever in his career is way off base. QB is not a lifetime job just because you won a couple super bowls.
Seems there are fans who would actually be happy if the Giants had just held onto Coughlin and Manning until they dropped over. Like one of those action franchises with Sly and Arnold, flabby and balding, taking on terrorists in slow-mo.
Seems there are fans who would actually be happy if the Giants had just held onto Coughlin and Manning until they dropped over. Like one of those action franchises with Sly and Arnold, flabby and balding, taking on terrorists in slow-mo.
or ric flair and hulk hogan suplexing each other with their man boobs dangling for the world to see.
I agree with you 100%. I agreed with Mac for benching Eli when he did. Eli hasn't helped this team win games and a 500 win loss is not good. I know there were times it was the defense etc. But Eli was never great. He had two good runs in him. The year after we won the SB and Plex shot himself. We should not have collapsed like we did because of one player. But that was Eli's security blanket. Just throw the ball up and let Plex go and make the catch. Right now I'm most concerned with the GM. The players are lousy and he put this team together. I don't know when we will be good again with these guys drafting and bringing in everyone else's rejects....
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shows how spoiled this fan base is.
Upset about paying Eli? The guy helped deliver two SB Championships, and some of the greatest games ever by a Giant QB during the two playoff runs, with teams that hardly had the best talent both years.
You think the Browns fans would be upset if they got a QB with 2 magic runs in him? The Jets fans? The Bengals fans? You want to trade Eli's career with Philip Rivers?
Trust me, the SD fans would be HAPPY to pay the guy, and I'll bet Eli would have gotten more than 2 rings in San Diego. You really think Rivers would have done that here, trying to run Gilbride's offense vs Norm Turner's??
Yes, a lot of Eli's career was disappointing, but that had more to do with the failure of the Front Office to provide proper coaching and talent for most of it.
Carry on, though, with throwing crap on one of the classiest people ever to put on the uniform. Guys like Simms and Eli come around once a generation to teams like the Giants, if at all. Makes you wonder why anyone would come to this franchise willingly, other than cash.
bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
When making contract decisions, they should be made based on future expectations not what they've done for the franchise a decade ago.
you want to honor a guys legacy, put him in the ring of honor, don't keep him when you can and should let him go and run him out on the field several years past his expiration date.
I've never been one of the vocal complainers about Eli, but saying other fans bases would "be happy" to have a washed up 38 year old QB on their salary cap at $23 million dollars because he won super bowls 7 and 11 years ago is insulting.
I think you maybe hit "submit" on that one too soon.
I love what Eli has done as a Giant and he may possibly make the Hall of Fame for it, but maligning the fan base for wanting to replace him at some point ever in his career is way off base. QB is not a lifetime job just because you won a couple super bowls.
absolutely agree, Eli is sitting on the bench and getting paid around 20 million for doing nothing, the team should have allowed him to retire nd be the QB coach...
"Five more weeks, then fun in the sun."
Yeah, those dimbulbs don’t know nuthin’. If we had only kept Eli in the driver seat longer...
Upset about paying Eli? The guy helped deliver two SB Championships, and some of the greatest games ever by a Giant QB during the two playoff runs, with teams that hardly had the best talent both years.
You think the Browns fans would be upset if they got a QB with 2 magic runs in him? The Jets fans? The Bengals fans? You want to trade Eli's career with Philip Rivers?
Trust me, the SD fans would be HAPPY to pay the guy, and I'll bet Eli would have gotten more than 2 rings in San Diego. You really think Rivers would have done that here, trying to run Gilbride's offense vs Norm Turner's??
Yes, a lot of Eli's career was disappointing, but that had more to do with the failure of the Front Office to provide proper coaching and talent for most of it.
Carry on, though, with throwing crap on one of the classiest people ever to put on the uniform. Guys like Simms and Eli come around once a generation to teams like the Giants, if at all. Makes you wonder why anyone would come to this franchise willingly, other than cash.
NY Giants fans = New Yorkers (or the majority, at least)
Shitty people. Shitty fans. The worst.
I'll show them next year, etc.
I don't think he's actively rooting for them to lose or anything, unless he's an awful person he has some friends there who will lose jobs with poor play, but he'll probably wishes he could go out on a high note
2. I hope DJ stays healthy the rest of this year.
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could be out there to help the team. He's that kind of competitor.
Best answer so far.
Second this.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
Last time I heard, this is PRO football. Players negotiate with the Front Office on what they get paid, and it's well known that QB's get paid higher than other players.
Eli didn't hold out, he got what was scale at the time for teams re-signing starting QB's, and in his case, a QB that was MVP for two Super Bowls. During the time Eli's been around, there have been MULTIPLE QB contracts that have been higher than his, or at that level. For 2019 OTC Salary Cap Value:
Matt Stafford $29,500,000
Kirk Cousins $29,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $26,500,000
Russell Wilson $26,286,766
Ben Roethlisberger $26,200,000
Eli Manning $23,200,000
Cam Newton $23,200,000
Philip Rivers $23,000,000
Drew Brees $22,700,000
Derek Carr $22,500,000
Tom Brady $21,500,000
Jameis Winston $20,922,000
Marcus Mariota $20,922,000
Alex Smith $20,400,000
What has Stafford done to earn his salary? Or Cousins? Or Cam Newton? Rivers? Carr? Winston? Smith? Mariota? Tell me all the SuperBowls they've won...I'm waiting.
And yes, there are better QB's on that list than Manning. But how many have 2 or more? What's the excuse for Rodgers? He's had better teams than Eli's had. Smith had a better 49'er team than Eli back in 2011, what did he win?
Yes, the Giants could have cut ties with Eli earlier, but is that Eli's fault? The fault is with the Front office/ownership, but I still hear bullshit from fans complaining about Eli's salary, when that was a decision made by the same front office that extended OBJ's contract.
The FACTS are, no one cares about great QB's who don't win multiple Super Bowls. Ones that can (like Brady, Big Ben and Eli) are worth it. If you lived through the debacle from the mid 60's to 1980, you'd understand why.
RE: him being washed up - biggest issue was the failure to put players around him that could compensate as his skills wore down. Mgt. ignored Gilbride's warnings and when they decided to address the OLine - poor scouting & personnel decisions doomed the rest of his career.
He's got a young family and would bring a lot of value to whatever he chooses to do next. If I was a betting man - I'd say he walks away. The only way he doesn't is if he just wants to stay around the game, regardless of what form that takes.
He's beena great employee - given the organization and fan base everything he had.
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bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
Last time I heard, this is PRO football. Players negotiate with the Front Office on what they get paid, and it's well known that QB's get paid higher than other players.
Eli didn't hold out, he got what was scale at the time for teams re-signing starting QB's, and in his case, a QB that was MVP for two Super Bowls. During the time Eli's been around, there have been MULTIPLE QB contracts that have been higher than his, or at that level. For 2019 OTC Salary Cap Value:
Matt Stafford $29,500,000
Kirk Cousins $29,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $26,500,000
Russell Wilson $26,286,766
Ben Roethlisberger $26,200,000
Eli Manning $23,200,000
Cam Newton $23,200,000
Philip Rivers $23,000,000
Drew Brees $22,700,000
Derek Carr $22,500,000
Tom Brady $21,500,000
Jameis Winston $20,922,000
Marcus Mariota $20,922,000
Alex Smith $20,400,000
What has Stafford done to earn his salary? Or Cousins? Or Cam Newton? Rivers? Carr? Winston? Smith? Mariota? Tell me all the SuperBowls they've won...I'm waiting.
And yes, there are better QB's on that list than Manning. But how many have 2 or more? What's the excuse for Rodgers? He's had better teams than Eli's had. Smith had a better 49'er team than Eli back in 2011, what did he win?
Yes, the Giants could have cut ties with Eli earlier, but is that Eli's fault? The fault is with the Front office/ownership, but I still hear bullshit from fans complaining about Eli's salary, when that was a decision made by the same front office that extended OBJ's contract.
The FACTS are, no one cares about great QB's who don't win multiple Super Bowls. Ones that can (like Brady, Big Ben and Eli) are worth it. If you lived through the debacle from the mid 60's to 1980, you'd understand why.
I don't disagree with any of that and it's not my point.
And it may not be Eli's fault, so I think there is a little bit of Eli protectionism going on where some of his fans are so sensitive that they bristle at any suggestion he should be or should have been replaced.
My point is Eli has won two Super Bowls, and most fans revere him for that, but he was in decline a couple years ago and if the Giants were well run they would have recognized they could not provide the right pieces around him to field a competitive team built for the long haul and blew it up then and started the rebuild sooner - including replacing Eli.
Instead they seemed desperate for "one last run" and forced moves like Solder, Omamah and even this year Remmers, even overpaying a TE like Ellison. All because IMO they overestimated exactly what Eli could do with a few additions.
So, no, I do not think as a fan base, Giants fans are spoiled for suggesting Eli should have been replaced when he was or replaced sooner or suggesting that his cap hit is not commensurate with his current ablity and it's not even disrespectful to him. And it has nothing to do with what Matthew Stafford or Derek Carr (as examples) get paid.
It's emotionless football operations and IMO that's how a front office needs to operate. without emotion. Straight facts, data, and hard decisions about expected future production given the other 53 players on the roster.
I wouldn't trade the super bowls Eli helped win for a cheaper QB, so it's not about Eli, but i probably would have cut bait in 2017 and swallowed a dead cap pill then or tried to trade him. And I don't think I'm spoiled for saying so.
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bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
Last time I heard, this is PRO football. Players negotiate with the Front Office on what they get paid, and it's well known that QB's get paid higher than other players.
Eli didn't hold out, he got what was scale at the time for teams re-signing starting QB's, and in his case, a QB that was MVP for two Super Bowls. During the time Eli's been around, there have been MULTIPLE QB contracts that have been higher than his, or at that level. For 2019 OTC Salary Cap Value:
Matt Stafford $29,500,000
Kirk Cousins $29,000,000
Aaron Rodgers $26,500,000
Russell Wilson $26,286,766
Ben Roethlisberger $26,200,000
Eli Manning $23,200,000
Cam Newton $23,200,000
Philip Rivers $23,000,000
Drew Brees $22,700,000
Derek Carr $22,500,000
Tom Brady $21,500,000
Jameis Winston $20,922,000
Marcus Mariota $20,922,000
Alex Smith $20,400,000
What has Stafford done to earn his salary? Or Cousins? Or Cam Newton? Rivers? Carr? Winston? Smith? Mariota? Tell me all the SuperBowls they've won...I'm waiting.
And yes, there are better QB's on that list than Manning. But how many have 2 or more? What's the excuse for Rodgers? He's had better teams than Eli's had. Smith had a better 49'er team than Eli back in 2011, what did he win?
Yes, the Giants could have cut ties with Eli earlier, but is that Eli's fault? The fault is with the Front office/ownership, but I still hear bullshit from fans complaining about Eli's salary, when that was a decision made by the same front office that extended OBJ's contract.
The FACTS are, no one cares about great QB's who don't win multiple Super Bowls. Ones that can (like Brady, Big Ben and Eli) are worth it. If you lived through the debacle from the mid 60's to 1980, you'd understand why.
You are debating the wrong theme on Eli
In the right situation next year, I could see him still having success. Where? I don't know. But, if I'm him, I don't sign with anyone not at least a contender.
Now, what GMs and coaches think about him, I have no idea. But, they at least see a shit show of a team, so it's not like benching him was the answer.
What those quarterbacks above are largely that he is not, is still good enough to play professional football.
Nothing else matters. Been that way for several years.
I doubt Eli would be willing to make ceremonial starts. If there was a legitimate reason he needed to start, he’d be ready and would do his professional best. But a couple of farewell starts would probably be politely declined.
More likely he's feeling a combination of humiliation for being benched, humiliation for the disaster of the last couple of years, embarrassment for the organization, frustration at not being able to play and compete and empathy for Jones, who's got a tough road ahead.
Eli has to also know that the coaching is a problem, and is not going to talk about that.
It’s not uncommon for people to transpose their own values onto something one else and assume that must be how the other person is.
He probably thinks the first Dallas game was the best offensive showing & he could have maybe won the ARI, DET & NYJ games.
He’s a competitor.
The problem with you guys is you think coaches and qb’s who can win championships are fungible and you can just go get one off the shelf. There’s a reason you can count the number of qb’s and coaches with multiple championships in the history of the NFL and are not in the HOF on one hand.
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covers all the bases on Eli...
yes let’s ignore the erroneous assumptions and Strawmen.
The problem with you guys is you think coaches and qb’s who can win championships are fungible and you can just go get one off the shelf. There’s a reason you can count the number of qb’s and coaches with multiple championships in the history of the NFL and are not in the HOF on one hand.
Be specific, what assumptions were erroneous and what argument was a strawman.
The biggest flaws with your word salad post is I never said a championship coach or QB are fungible and I never claimed that either is easy to find. So, in an ironic twist it is you who throws out the cliched strawman argument who is in fact arguing a strawman. In fact I never assumed anything about championships at all, the only time I even wrote the word was to express how I was grateful to Eli for his contribution to the two he won.
What i did is suggest a competent front office should be able to see when their highly paid QB and core roster are no longer reliably capable of winning a championship and instead of leveraging the future and making desperation moves some fans would respect a measured, methodical rebuild that involves replacing the QB and I did not think that POV represents a spoiled fan base nor is it disrespectful to the QB.
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I do not care what Eli is thinking.
For a long time the Giants were bad in spite of very good play from Eli. Starting in 2016 Eli became part of the problem, only to seriously tail off in 2017 and 18. Part of the reason the Giants are in the current mess lies solely in the fact that they refused to move on from Eli when they had opportunity after the 2017 season. Instead they doubled down on a band aid approach that tied up valuable resources in positions of limited value. Whether they drafted Darnold, Chubb, and Josh Allen or Nelson, Chubb, and Jones, all would have had a better impact on rebuilding than the current state of the team.
So I don’t really care nor wonder what Eli is thinking because we've all paid him very handsomely over the years, whether you are a season ticket holder (I am), purchased Eli memorabilia, or fan gear you’ve contributed to his salary. I don’t think he’ll catch on with another team and if he does the situation we need be near perfect for him to play quality football.
Our o-line seems to get worse each year no matter what we do. We have the top running back in the league (screw Elliot) in we can't average more than 2 yards per run if that.
Disgusting. Starting to lose faith in shurmur as well.
Eli Manning obviously wasn’t the problem with this teams offensive woes. He may not have been the answer at this point, but by far the problem
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covers all the bases on Eli...
yes let’s ignore the erroneous assumptions and Strawmen.
The problem with you guys is you think coaches and qb’s who can win championships are fungible and you can just go get one off the shelf. There’s a reason you can count the number of qb’s and coaches with multiple championships in the history of the NFL and are not in the HOF on one hand.
I have lots of problems but that isn't one of them. Not sure what at all pj wrote was erroneous or full of straw so please fill us problem-ladened posters in on your thoughts versus counting using your hands.
Or maybe just re-read his last line below which gives ultimate respect for Eli the player but realization that the front office has to always keep the team at the forefront.
Was waiting for the inevitable post about his salary.
Even better. Find a way to imply that Eli wants the giants to lose.
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could be out there to help the team. He's that kind of competitor.
Best answer so far.
This is the only answer. Anyone who ever competed on any level knows this is the truth. Everyone else is out of touch and just posting garbage.
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could be out there to help the team. He's that kind of competitor.
Best answer so far.
This is the only answer. Anyone who ever competed on any level knows this is the truth. Everyone else is out of touch and just posting garbage.
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I agree with you 100%. I agreed with Mac for benching Eli when he did. Eli hasn't helped this team win games and a 500 win loss is not good. I know there were times it was the defense etc. But Eli was never great. He had two good runs in him. The year after we won the SB and Plex shot himself. We should not have collapsed like we did because of one player. But that was Eli's security blanket. Just throw the ball up and let Plex go and make the catch. Right now I'm most concerned with the GM. The players are lousy and he put this team together. I don't know when we will be good again with these guys drafting and bringing in everyone else's rejects....
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shows how spoiled this fan base is.
Upset about paying Eli? The guy helped deliver two SB Championships, and some of the greatest games ever by a Giant QB during the two playoff runs, with teams that hardly had the best talent both years.
You think the Browns fans would be upset if they got a QB with 2 magic runs in him? The Jets fans? The Bengals fans? You want to trade Eli's career with Philip Rivers?
Trust me, the SD fans would be HAPPY to pay the guy, and I'll bet Eli would have gotten more than 2 rings in San Diego. You really think Rivers would have done that here, trying to run Gilbride's offense vs Norm Turner's??
Yes, a lot of Eli's career was disappointing, but that had more to do with the failure of the Front Office to provide proper coaching and talent for most of it.
Carry on, though, with throwing crap on one of the classiest people ever to put on the uniform. Guys like Simms and Eli come around once a generation to teams like the Giants, if at all. Makes you wonder why anyone would come to this franchise willingly, other than cash.
bullshit. It has nothing to do with a spoiled fan base. It has to do with expecting competence and professionalism from a front office and coaching staff.
this just isn't how successful teams operate or should operate. You don't pay people for good feelings or past results. At least not if you want to remain successful. Class, for athletes, should not be the first thing on the list when you decide who your most important player is.
When making contract decisions, they should be made based on future expectations not what they've done for the franchise a decade ago.
you want to honor a guys legacy, put him in the ring of honor, don't keep him when you can and should let him go and run him out on the field several years past his expiration date.
I've never been one of the vocal complainers about Eli, but saying other fans bases would "be happy" to have a washed up 38 year old QB on their salary cap at $23 million dollars because he won super bowls 7 and 11 years ago is insulting.
I think you maybe hit "submit" on that one too soon.
I love what Eli has done as a Giant and he may possibly make the Hall of Fame for it, but maligning the fan base for wanting to replace him at some point ever in his career is way off base. QB is not a lifetime job just because you won a couple super bowls.
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Was waiting for the inevitable post about his salary.
God knows you have nothing better to wait for, it's not like independent thought is seeking out your brain for refuge.
Nothing else matters. Been that way for several years.
Man, I feel
Bad for his son.