#90 R.J. McIntosh

makes some plays, but no NOBODY is developing. Thus 2-9.

on the field, but he hasn't done anything to make you take notice. Apparently Quenton Nelson is the only guy he can play well against.

McIntosh hasn't been making plays; you never hear his name called. Hill has regressed. Carter has plateaued at best. Tomlinson has plateaued. Either these guys just inherently aren't very good, or the Giants aren't getting the best out of them. Either way, there's a problem with management.

sucks and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY is getting better. I find it hard to believe that none of these guys are any good.

With a piss poor front office replacing a piss pour front office, why do you find it hard to believe these guys are piss poor players?

trying to fit a small peg in a square hole when it comes to the front seven

I would fire these coaches and go back to 4-3 defense

going back to a 4-3 defense = 2-3 more years of drafting D linemen again. Then we can go back to a 3-4 and spend two more drafting. Maybe we can trade everybody good and start over. In any scenario, it takes time. BBI whining, love it.

In comment 14694202 NikkiMac said:

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trying to fit a small peg in a square hole when it comes to the front seven I would fire these coaches and go back to 4-3 defense

Didn't McIntosh play 3-4 in college? So did Tomlinson. Besides, you need ends to run a 4-3. And good LB'ers.

With all fairness, he was a 5th round pick in the 2018 draft and he did miss his rookie season to an undisclosed illness. So this is his rookie year.

In comment 14694212 MarkT said:

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going back to a 4-3 defense = 2-3 more years of drafting D linemen again. Then we can go back to a 3-4 and spend two more drafting. Maybe we can trade everybody good and start over. In any scenario, it takes time. BBI whining, love it.

Lawrence & Tomlinson could be 4-3 DTs. They don't really have 4-3 DEs and LBs, but then, they don't really have enough 3-4 LBs either. I think Connelly could play MLB in a 4-3, but we have a small sample size on him.

Leonard Williams seems poorly suited to a 4-3 scheme, so that would REALLY make the trade a waste.

"developing" is an interesting topic. Develop into pro bowlers? From 3rd - 7th rounders?

I mean, we haven't had a 1st round defender outside of Eli Apple since 2011.

Looking back a few years, like the 2017 NFL draft, after round 1 there are about 2 pro bowlers per round.

Only two pro bowlers after round 1 (looking at 2017 again) play on defense.

If you don't invest on the defensive side of the ball, you don't get a lot better. Tomlinson, Carter, all these guys, yeah they plateaued but this is kinda what you get with those picks. Starters in round 2-3, rotation players after that. If you get a bonafide stud starter after round 3, I think you hit the lottery. We have no superstars.

Tomlinson is a solid player for where he was drafted. McIntosh even making the team and playing is about what you would expect from a 5th rounder. They're not bad, they just... are what they are.

That can’t rush the passer (not really required too) but also can’t stop the run. A below average DL with a lot invested in it.

he'll make a push these last few games.

I like this DL - Tomlinson has been playing well. Lawrence definitely worth the pick. Williams, although one could argue whether this was a major need - has played well.

The issue is the next layer behind them.

for Invisible Player of the Year.

In comment 14694191 Samiam said:

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With a piss poor front office replacing a piss pour front office, why do you find it hard to believe these guys are piss poor players?

Because even a blind squirrel can find a nut.... lol

In comment 14694191 Samiam said:

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With a piss poor front office replacing a piss pour front office, why do you find it hard to believe these guys are piss poor players?

Because even a blind squirrel can find a nut.... lol

In comment 14694233 jbeintherockies said:

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With all fairness, he was a 5th round pick in the 2018 draft and he did miss his rookie season to an undisclosed illness. So this is his rookie year.

His thyroid illness was widely known before the draft. He had to leave the Combine early because of it. Gettleman drafted him anyway.
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In comment 14694251 81_Great_Dane said:

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In comment 14694212 MarkT said: Quote: going back to a 4-3 defense = 2-3 more years of drafting D linemen again. Then we can go back to a 3-4 and spend two more drafting. Maybe we can trade everybody good and start over. In any scenario, it takes time. BBI whining, love it. Lawrence & Tomlinson could be 4-3 DTs. They don't really have 4-3 DEs and LBs, but then, they don't really have enough 3-4 LBs either. I think Connelly could play MLB in a 4-3, but we have a small sample size on him. Leonard Williams seems poorly suited to a 4-3 scheme, so that would REALLY make the trade a waste.

Why do you think Williams couldnt be a good 4-3 DT? He brings more pass rush than Tomlinson.

the success rate on 5th round draft picks is very low so I mean what do you expect? Maybe he's just one of the like 80% of 5th rounders who are ultimately wash-outs, whatever, it happens.

as soon as the FO makes the pick.

People just read some random scouting reports, watch some random highlights on YouTube where they just see like " OoOOoOO big man hit Quarterback!" and then suddenly everyone is an expert projecting this guy to become solid NFL starter because he made a few tackles against Notre Dame. Then you have people making 10,000 posts praising Gettleman for "a solid draft" and "10 times better than Reese" etc. before anyone drafted has even played a single NFL down. It's absolutely absurd and it leads to things like this: people asking "what happened to that 5th round draft pick that we all thought (obviously unbiasedly) was going to be a huge steal?" Let's just be happy he's still on the damn team at this point considering where he was drafted.

In comment 14694100 Dave on the UWS said:

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makes some plays, but no NOBODY is developing. Thus 2-9.

Yep, pretty much the only Giabt who has developed over the last 8 years is Beckham. Everyone else either stayed mediocre, or flashed and then plateaued/regressed.

In comment 14694212 MarkT said:

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going back to a 4-3 defense = 2-3 more years of drafting D linemen again. Then we can go back to a 3-4 and spend two more drafting. Maybe we can trade everybody good and start over. In any scenario, it takes time. BBI whining, love it.

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I just think these players are better suited for 4-3 hopefully if they fire this staff they choose a defensive minded 4-3 coach

Once we cluster draft linebackers high

Either

-in case these young men dont catch on to the multiple DL thing, assignment wise it's probably much more complex than the old 3/4.


A true NT simplifies the assignments a bit probably.

There aren't any snaps for him. He's seen 18 snaps in the last month.