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NGT- Jones says he is NOT firing Jason Garrett

jvm52106 : 11/28/2019 9:04 pm
at this point in time. Cowboys schedule isn't super difficult but they could lose 2-3 more games. It is quite possibke a losing record wins the NFC East.
Eagles next 3  
Giants86 : 11/28/2019 9:07 pm : link
Dolphins
Giants
Skins.


Cowboys after that.


Cowboys may not win the division
Philly  
Carl in CT : 11/28/2019 9:17 pm : link
Plays Giants twice.
I wouldn't be  
huygens20 : 11/28/2019 9:21 pm : link
ecstatic about Garrett because I do think he's clearly underperformed (multiple years). but he would be an immense upgrade over Shurmur.
RE: I wouldn't be  
Justlurking : 11/28/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14694965 huygens20 said:
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ecstatic about Garrett because I do think he's clearly underperformed (multiple years). but he would be an immense upgrade over Shurmur.


If the maras try to hire garret they should be forced to sell
Just curious  
joeinpa : 11/28/2019 9:55 pm : link
How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.

Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
"at this point in time"  
BigBlueCane : 11/28/2019 10:09 pm : link
doesn't mean Garrett is safe, it just means this week he won't get fired. Nothing prevents Jerrah from changing his mind tomorrow.
As mentioned above Philly will easily have a winning record  
BH28 : 11/28/2019 10:10 pm : link
If you are there Cowboys, you have to assume the Eagles will win their last 4 outside of their head to head matchup.

That means the Cowboys can only afford to lose one more game and they must win the other head to head vs Philly.

538 basically gives each team a coin flip cheese of making the playoffs.
Cheese=chance  
BH28 : 11/28/2019 10:11 pm : link
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RE: Just curious  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 11/28/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14694972 joeinpa said:
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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.

Your statement seems a bit over the top to me


What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
RE: Just curious  
huygens20 : 11/28/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14694972 joeinpa said:
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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.

Your statement seems a bit over the top to me


hey Joe

ill submit my resusme

im a self made millionaire from the snowflake generation



here's my following message:

Jason Garrett is a mediocre HC that has consistently underperformed.
there is one thing Garrett has going for him  
huygens20 : 11/28/2019 10:29 pm : link
hes not a stupid ass boomer like Gettleman
Wow, this went sideways  
jvm52106 : 11/28/2019 10:37 pm : link
quickly.
Means  
AcidTest : 11/28/2019 10:52 pm : link
nothing. The Cowboys are still in the hunt for a playoff spot.
Why are people so against Garrett as the HC?  
Big Rick in FL : 11/28/2019 11:11 pm : link
He's 85-68 including the playoffs as a HC. Yeah I know the Cowboys haven't been very successful in the playoffs. He's a huge upgrade from what we have and whose a better option out there?

He's had more 12+ win seasons than he's had losing seasons. Which he's only had 1 losing season out of the 9 he's been a full time HC. The Cowboys went 4-12 that year. That was simply due to the fact that Romo got hurt. Romo was 3-1 that season. The Cowboys had to start 4 QBs that season. The other three are Matt Cassel, Brandon Weeden & Kellen Moore who went a combined 1-11. So if Romo doesn't get hurt Garrett would most likely have zero losing seasons in 9 years as the HC.

Don't forget he's done that with an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois at QB for 6 seasons and another undersized QB who was drafted with a late 4th round pick.

Obviously he isn't Belichick or even an Andy Reid. Those coaches don't really come around very often. The Cowboys weren't a team that was very good at drafting. That's turned around a lot in recent years. I know Stephen Jones has stepped up and done a lot better than his Father, but I've read numerous articles that say Garrett has more power in that organization than most would think.

I know he isn't a perfect coach or a great coach, but he's a good HC and that's better than anything we've had in the last 5 years.

I know he gets killed for his in game mismanagement of certain things, but I'm hoping the Giants would recognize those shortcomings and would put people in place that could help with clock management and situational awareness. I'd also like to see how he'd do with a real talent playing QB like we have in Daniel Jones.

RE: RE: Just curious  
joeinpa : 11/28/2019 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14694988 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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In comment 14694972 joeinpa said:


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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.

Your statement seems a bit over the top to me



What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.


To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.

He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.

I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
RE: RE: RE: Just curious  
huygens20 : 11/28/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14695028 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14694972 joeinpa said:


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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.

Your statement seems a bit over the top to me



What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.



To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.

He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.

I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.


Joe

We're gonna need your credentials in order to gauge whether or not you are qualified to offer your opinion on Jason Garrett
RE: Why are people so against Garrett as the HC?  
BH28 : 11/28/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14695027 Big Rick in FL said:
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I know he isn't a perfect coach or a great coach, but he's a good HC and that's better than anything we've had in the last 5 years.

I know he gets killed for his in game mismanagement of certain things, but I'm hoping the Giants would recognize those shortcomings and would put people in place that could help with clock management and situational awareness. I'd also like to see how he'd do with a real talent playing QB like we have in Daniel Jones.


Your last two paragraphs made the case for why he shouldn't be coach. We have a coach who had struggled with game management from day 1 and it appears the Giants have done nothing to help him with that. What makes a Garrett hire different?

If Garrett couldn't find success in Dallas regarding playoffs and super bowls, how is he going to find success with a much less talented roster?

And I exactly wouldn't use the last five years as a barometer for anything related to coaching. The bar is set so low that almost anything is an upgrade.

Why do people say Garrett has underperformed ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 11/29/2019 12:24 am : link
All of his teams except one have been competitive which is more than I can say for Coughlin, McAdoo or Shurmur and he certainly has the Giants number for years. Its been said he has had "superior players". Thats true to an extent. They have had big name players, but they've also had a lot of injuries. Romo was hurt all the time and Dak has missed games. The Giants on the other hand haven't had a QB injury in almost 2 decades. But lets assume they have "superior players". Don't you think Garrett had something to do with obtaining those superior players ? An HC that's been around for 12 years ( and longer than that in other capacities ) must have some input in what players they select. Unless Jerry Jones is a genius.

There might be better choices than Garrett out there but I don't see how he's not a strong candidate. One thing is for sure: We need a coach with NFL coaching experience. If we promote another assistant, why should we expect him to do any better than Shurmur has ?
What does being an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois have to do  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/29/2019 12:24 am : link
with anything. He still was one of the best QBs in the game when healthy. Garrett is a thoroughly mediocre head coach, he's consistently supported by one of the best supporting staffs in football, has had some very talented rosters and has two playoff wins to show for it. Show me a head coach that's considered a good head coach that has a ten year resume with two playoff wins.
RE: What does being an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois have to do  
huygens20 : 11/29/2019 12:28 am : link
In comment 14695045 Zeke's Alibi said:
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with anything. He still was one of the best QBs in the game when healthy. Garrett is a thoroughly mediocre head coach, he's consistently supported by one of the best supporting staffs in football, has had some very talented rosters and has two playoff wins to show for it. Show me a head coach that's considered a good head coach that has a ten year resume with two playoff wins.


nailed it.

Garrett is underperforming by 2-3 playoff wins.
It took the League 20 years to realize Jeff Fisher was nothing special  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/29/2019 5:01 am : link
A closer comp for Garrett's record might be Mike Smith. He went 56-24 his first five years in Atlanta, before tanking to 10-22 the last two. He was 1-4 in the playoffs, and would have been 0-4 if Pete Carroll had managed the clock a bit better.

After firing Smith, the Falcons rebounded to 29-19 in their first three years under Dan Quinn, marred by a choke in the Super Bowl and a flat performance in New Orleans with the season on the line in 2017. They are 10-18 the past two years; so now it's Quinn's turn on the hot seat. He grew up in Giants country, a half hour from Met Life. Just saying. He has Hofstra and the Jets on his resume, but no prior connection to NYG, AFAIK.

Anyway, I think Garrett is better than Smith. How many true difference-maker HCs are there in the NFL, aside from Belichick, plus maybe Reid and Payton? Harbaugh? Tomlin? Caroll? Zimmer? Pederson? Jury is out on McVay/McDermott/Shanahan/Reich/Vrabel/Lynn etc.
He is in the last year of his contract so  
St. Jimmy : 11/29/2019 6:13 am : link
they won't have to fire him at the end of the year.
This game really has no bearance on if he's getting fired. This year  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/29/2019 6:18 am : link
was all about getting at least to the NFC championship game or he's gone. And it still could happen sadly.
RE: I wouldn't be  
section125 : 11/29/2019 7:08 am : link
In comment 14694965 huygens20 said:
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ecstatic about Garrett because I do think he's clearly underperformed (multiple years). but he would be an immense upgrade over Shurmur.


I would argue he is not better than Shurmur.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just curious  
joeinpa : 11/29/2019 7:21 am : link
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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.

Your statement seems a bit over the top to me



What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.



To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.

He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.

I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.



Joe

We're gonna need your credentials in order to gauge whether or not you are qualified to offer your opinion on Jason Garrett


That made me laugh. Thanks👍
until the cowboys get rid of Dak  
mdc1 : 11/30/2019 10:19 am : link
they are not winning anything. sorry but that's it.
I really want Jones to keep Garrett, because he sucks and I don't  
PatersonPlank : 11/30/2019 10:28 am : link
want him here. I see all the Cowboys games, and my son in law is a Cowboys fan, and the guy basically does nothing. The Cowboy fans hate him
My Cowboys buddy calls him the clapper which I think is hilarious.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/30/2019 12:54 pm : link
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