at this point in time. Cowboys schedule isn't super difficult but they could lose 2-3 more games. It is quite possibke a losing record wins the NFC East.
How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
He's 85-68 including the playoffs as a HC. Yeah I know the Cowboys haven't been very successful in the playoffs. He's a huge upgrade from what we have and whose a better option out there?
He's had more 12+ win seasons than he's had losing seasons. Which he's only had 1 losing season out of the 9 he's been a full time HC. The Cowboys went 4-12 that year. That was simply due to the fact that Romo got hurt. Romo was 3-1 that season. The Cowboys had to start 4 QBs that season. The other three are Matt Cassel, Brandon Weeden & Kellen Moore who went a combined 1-11. So if Romo doesn't get hurt Garrett would most likely have zero losing seasons in 9 years as the HC.
Don't forget he's done that with an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois at QB for 6 seasons and another undersized QB who was drafted with a late 4th round pick.
Obviously he isn't Belichick or even an Andy Reid. Those coaches don't really come around very often. The Cowboys weren't a team that was very good at drafting. That's turned around a lot in recent years. I know Stephen Jones has stepped up and done a lot better than his Father, but I've read numerous articles that say Garrett has more power in that organization than most would think.
I know he isn't a perfect coach or a great coach, but he's a good HC and that's better than anything we've had in the last 5 years.
I know he gets killed for his in game mismanagement of certain things, but I'm hoping the Giants would recognize those shortcomings and would put people in place that could help with clock management and situational awareness. I'd also like to see how he'd do with a real talent playing QB like we have in Daniel Jones.
How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.
He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.
I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.
He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.
I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
Joe
We're gonna need your credentials in order to gauge whether or not you are qualified to offer your opinion on Jason Garrett
I know he isn't a perfect coach or a great coach, but he's a good HC and that's better than anything we've had in the last 5 years.
I know he gets killed for his in game mismanagement of certain things, but I'm hoping the Giants would recognize those shortcomings and would put people in place that could help with clock management and situational awareness. I'd also like to see how he'd do with a real talent playing QB like we have in Daniel Jones.
Your last two paragraphs made the case for why he shouldn't be coach. We have a coach who had struggled with game management from day 1 and it appears the Giants have done nothing to help him with that. What makes a Garrett hire different?
If Garrett couldn't find success in Dallas regarding playoffs and super bowls, how is he going to find success with a much less talented roster?
And I exactly wouldn't use the last five years as a barometer for anything related to coaching. The bar is set so low that almost anything is an upgrade.
All of his teams except one have been competitive which is more than I can say for Coughlin, McAdoo or Shurmur and he certainly has the Giants number for years. Its been said he has had "superior players". Thats true to an extent. They have had big name players, but they've also had a lot of injuries. Romo was hurt all the time and Dak has missed games. The Giants on the other hand haven't had a QB injury in almost 2 decades. But lets assume they have "superior players". Don't you think Garrett had something to do with obtaining those superior players ? An HC that's been around for 12 years ( and longer than that in other capacities ) must have some input in what players they select. Unless Jerry Jones is a genius.
There might be better choices than Garrett out there but I don't see how he's not a strong candidate. One thing is for sure: We need a coach with NFL coaching experience. If we promote another assistant, why should we expect him to do any better than Shurmur has ?
What does being an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois have to do
with anything. He still was one of the best QBs in the game when healthy. Garrett is a thoroughly mediocre head coach, he's consistently supported by one of the best supporting staffs in football, has had some very talented rosters and has two playoff wins to show for it. Show me a head coach that's considered a good head coach that has a ten year resume with two playoff wins.
RE: What does being an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois have to do
with anything. He still was one of the best QBs in the game when healthy. Garrett is a thoroughly mediocre head coach, he's consistently supported by one of the best supporting staffs in football, has had some very talented rosters and has two playoff wins to show for it. Show me a head coach that's considered a good head coach that has a ten year resume with two playoff wins.
nailed it.
Garrett is underperforming by 2-3 playoff wins.
It took the League 20 years to realize Jeff Fisher was nothing special
A closer comp for Garrett's record might be Mike Smith. He went 56-24 his first five years in Atlanta, before tanking to 10-22 the last two. He was 1-4 in the playoffs, and would have been 0-4 if Pete Carroll had managed the clock a bit better.
After firing Smith, the Falcons rebounded to 29-19 in their first three years under Dan Quinn, marred by a choke in the Super Bowl and a flat performance in New Orleans with the season on the line in 2017. They are 10-18 the past two years; so now it's Quinn's turn on the hot seat. He grew up in Giants country, a half hour from Met Life. Just saying. He has Hofstra and the Jets on his resume, but no prior connection to NYG, AFAIK.
Anyway, I think Garrett is better than Smith. How many true difference-maker HCs are there in the NFL, aside from Belichick, plus maybe Reid and Payton? Harbaugh? Tomlin? Caroll? Zimmer? Pederson? Jury is out on McVay/McDermott/Shanahan/Reich/Vrabel/Lynn etc.
How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.
He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.
I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
Joe
We're gonna need your credentials in order to gauge whether or not you are qualified to offer your opinion on Jason Garrett
Giants
Skins.
Cowboys after that.
Cowboys may not win the division
If the maras try to hire garret they should be forced to sell
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
That means the Cowboys can only afford to lose one more game and they must win the other head to head vs Philly.
538 basically gives each team a coin flip cheese of making the playoffs.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
hey Joe
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Jason Garrett is a mediocre HC that has consistently underperformed.
He's had more 12+ win seasons than he's had losing seasons. Which he's only had 1 losing season out of the 9 he's been a full time HC. The Cowboys went 4-12 that year. That was simply due to the fact that Romo got hurt. Romo was 3-1 that season. The Cowboys had to start 4 QBs that season. The other three are Matt Cassel, Brandon Weeden & Kellen Moore who went a combined 1-11. So if Romo doesn't get hurt Garrett would most likely have zero losing seasons in 9 years as the HC.
Don't forget he's done that with an undersized UDFA from Eastern Illinois at QB for 6 seasons and another undersized QB who was drafted with a late 4th round pick.
Obviously he isn't Belichick or even an Andy Reid. Those coaches don't really come around very often. The Cowboys weren't a team that was very good at drafting. That's turned around a lot in recent years. I know Stephen Jones has stepped up and done a lot better than his Father, but I've read numerous articles that say Garrett has more power in that organization than most would think.
I know he isn't a perfect coach or a great coach, but he's a good HC and that's better than anything we've had in the last 5 years.
I know he gets killed for his in game mismanagement of certain things, but I'm hoping the Giants would recognize those shortcomings and would put people in place that could help with clock management and situational awareness. I'd also like to see how he'd do with a real talent playing QB like we have in Daniel Jones.
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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.
He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.
I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.
He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.
I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
Joe
We're gonna need your credentials in order to gauge whether or not you are qualified to offer your opinion on Jason Garrett
I know he isn't a perfect coach or a great coach, but he's a good HC and that's better than anything we've had in the last 5 years.
I know he gets killed for his in game mismanagement of certain things, but I'm hoping the Giants would recognize those shortcomings and would put people in place that could help with clock management and situational awareness. I'd also like to see how he'd do with a real talent playing QB like we have in Daniel Jones.
Your last two paragraphs made the case for why he shouldn't be coach. We have a coach who had struggled with game management from day 1 and it appears the Giants have done nothing to help him with that. What makes a Garrett hire different?
If Garrett couldn't find success in Dallas regarding playoffs and super bowls, how is he going to find success with a much less talented roster?
And I exactly wouldn't use the last five years as a barometer for anything related to coaching. The bar is set so low that almost anything is an upgrade.
There might be better choices than Garrett out there but I don't see how he's not a strong candidate. One thing is for sure: We need a coach with NFL coaching experience. If we promote another assistant, why should we expect him to do any better than Shurmur has ?
nailed it.
Garrett is underperforming by 2-3 playoff wins.
After firing Smith, the Falcons rebounded to 29-19 in their first three years under Dan Quinn, marred by a choke in the Super Bowl and a flat performance in New Orleans with the season on the line in 2017. They are 10-18 the past two years; so now it's Quinn's turn on the hot seat. He grew up in Giants country, a half hour from Met Life. Just saying. He has Hofstra and the Jets on his resume, but no prior connection to NYG, AFAIK.
Anyway, I think Garrett is better than Smith. How many true difference-maker HCs are there in the NFL, aside from Belichick, plus maybe Reid and Payton? Harbaugh? Tomlin? Caroll? Zimmer? Pederson? Jury is out on McVay/McDermott/Shanahan/Reich/Vrabel/Lynn etc.
I would argue he is not better than Shurmur.
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How many on this site are as successful in their chosen life path as Garrett is in his.
Your statement seems a bit over the top to me
What does this have to do with Garretts wholly mediocre track record over the last 10 years? I make a lot of money do I get to criticize him? No disrespect intended and I wont be back on this thread I just had to mention I think hed be an absurd choice based on his resume and also that your comment is really weird given the whole purpose of this forum.
To suggest a guy like Garrett would be a choice that should force an owner to sell his team, is to suggest he is a ridiculous choice as a head coach.
He might not be my choice for the Giants, but his record as head coach is not atrocious.
I think the comment is motivated by the narrative about Mara and is penchant for going with people who have ties to the organization, which by the way has worked pretty well in a few cases.
Joe
We're gonna need your credentials in order to gauge whether or not you are qualified to offer your opinion on Jason Garrett
That made me laugh. Thanks👍