Dallas had the worst defense in football from 2010-2013 yet they were basically 500 under Garrett during that stretch. They also sunk to a decayed level of play and culture prior to Garrett’s arrival in 2010. He helped turn Dallas from terrible to competitive.
If romo doesn’t miss a wide open wr in 2011 they win that division.
Garrett is far from perfect but he’s done more good than bad in Dallas. I know it’s crazy to suggest it, but I’d still take him as HC with nyg. I think he’d be terrific for jones and Barkley. And he presided over a team that went from no D to a good D. I’d take that here.
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If really this is just about how a talented team like theirs should be doing better than so be it.
Isn’t that the definition of coaching. Maximizing the performance of the talent. Isn’t that just what Garrett hasn’t done.
How do you know he hasn't though really? Maybe there incoming talent level needs to be tempered and he and his coaches have brought them up higher. Cowboys have had far less busts/disappointments from the draft then the Giants...maybe its because Garrett & Co develop and teach their players better.
Parcells turned around laced that team with 3 HoFers Â
1st and 10 for Dallas. 330 left in the 2nd. This is the strip sack fumble.
Dak drops back in the pocket 5 step drop. Pats the ball 5 times and doesn’t move off that point. Doesn’t step up. Doesn’t slide He just simply doesn’t move! Then he gets stripped from behind. That play is on him not his tackles and not his line. He has no feel for the game. This is the series after he threw a horrible screen pass on a play where they actually had the correct play called. Pollard was late on the fake but even so, he threw the ball with no touch no trajectory to get it over the lineman. Back to back terrible series for Dak but people want to ignore that because of his inflated numbers vs sub 500 teams. Jerry and the Dallas franchise are doing the smart thing with Dak. Let him get exposed and sign him at a discount. It’s happening
And for all this talk of “Dallas can’t win the big one with Garrett” Â
Which is nothing more than a prediction based on a possible outcome, Dallas COULD have won the NFC under Garrett. They came very very close. I know I was worried a few times the last 9 seasons. To me, could had won carries more weight than they won’t win. One is truth, the other is made up opinion.
than what we watch on game day, no different from any other team. He’s got 2 playoff wins in 9 seasons. How many first time HCs like that exist right now?
And he may be great at developing talent but that really doesn’t mean shit if he keeps botching it on game day, at least if he stays as a HC.
and he’s 2-3 in the playoffs. How can anyone defend that? I watch him continually make really stupid decisions, similar to the in game mistakes we’ve dealt with.
So we want him leading a roster with less talent?
Beat the Seahawks in the playoffs last year. Given how Wilson always seems to find a way to get a win when he doesn't deserve it, I don't think that could be overlooked.
BTW, Dak was really looking bad last season. Not sure what the Cowboys did to resurrect/hide him....maybe it was the Cooper trade, but he was struggling for a bit there and then all of that has been conveniently forgotten.
“Almost won” the NFC. They were given the Detroit game on the botched call so we can play that game if you really want. That brings him to what, 1-3 in the playoffs?
Dak runs hot and cold. If Daniel Jones or Eli could work Â
behind that line, I think the Cowboys would waltz into the playoffs. Garrett? He's an easy-going guy who's smart enough to know who calls the shots and signs the paychecks. I'm baffled by how their offense has fallen apart after Kellen Moore looked so good calling plays early in the year.
“Almost won” the NFC. They were given the Detroit game on the botched call so we can play that game if you really want. That brings him to what, 1-3 in the playoffs?
they won more than one playoff game under GArrett.
Yes we can play that game all day long. We can play that game with many of the so called great HCs too. Want to play the Coughlin game?
I'm just saying, who else are we going to get as HC here?
You want garbage? we have that. You want legendary? where the fuck is that guy? You want a guy that left Dallas in better shape than what he inherited, and has been known to do terrific things with young QBs, has playoff postseason experience--and he MIGHT actually be available?
Devil you know might be better than some fucking loser.
6-1 vs teams .500 or below. That is not the sign of a good coach. I will be very disappointed if Garrett is our next HC.
What was Coughlin's record in 2006 against good teams?
Stats are fun and they can assist us at times,but are they the end all be all?
I'll say it again, Dallas was this close to winning an NFC title under GArret--more than once. I know they didn't, but that doesn't mean GArrett was the reason why. I know they won a lot more games than they didn't, under Garrett, and I think he deserves some credit for that. The body of work is too large to just dismiss his contributions or label the guy as lucky. HE was lucky at times, and also unlucky. It took a heroic and legendary performance out of Rodgers to keep Dallas out of two NFC title games. The guy was literally one or two plays from the NFC title game. Twice.
I like that in a coach. Maybe he is another Schottenheimer, doomed to postseason failure every year. I still take my chances with that guy every time over some unproven guy that will have this team chasing its own tail every season.
and if Garrett isn’t going to win with a better roster in Dallas why do you want him here. And yes if he loses that game against Detroit like he should have he’s have 1 playoff win on his resume. That’s terrible.
Yes he’s better than Shurmur - that’s what we should settle for?
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behind that line, I think the Cowboys would waltz into the playoffs. Garrett? He's an easy-going guy who's smart enough to know who calls the shots and signs the paychecks. I'm baffled by how their offense has fallen apart after Kellen Moore looked so good calling plays early in the year.
all you want, but it never happened. Shit statistically it should have happened at least once by now as every NFC team has a 1-8 chance to make it every year on an even floor.
And he has had odds tilted in his favor with some better than average talent over the years, tremendous support staff (its practically an unfair competitive advantage that he has had Marinelli that isn't a HC candidate for reasons), and back to back QB play anything from arguably elite to average over 10 years. Good coaching is what separates the winners from the losers when the good teams play, where details matter and every little mistake gets highlighted.
What the hell is the argument that he is a good coach? He won some games in this sceneraio? Fuck I could coach the Cowboys to a winning record under these circumstances. And I don't think he's a bad coach, now thatPat Shurmur is a bad coach, he is just merely a mediocre one. And this isnthe year I thought Garrett was either going to be forever known as a mediocre coach or a good one. He has time to turn it around but so far he hasn't rang that bell.
were Dez Bryant should have been awarded a TD -- I think the Cowboys were robbed of a championship that year
So you’re just going to ignore the fact that Dallas shouldn’t have even been in that game? The refs handed them the game the week before, so no, Dallas wasn’t “robbed” of a championship. Besides the fact that winning that game wouldn’t have been an automatic championship anyways. They would have had two games left
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specifically does Garrett struggle at that is the problem from a HC position?
Again...I hear you some of you say the general comment relative to not winning the big game but is he making coaching mistakes in these "big games" or the ones needing to win before advancing to the big game? And if so...what?
did the refs gift the Cowboys the win vs. the Lions the week before with that ridiculous pass interference call, but how can anyone say for sure that a catch by Bryant would have meant a Cowboys win? I hate when people just assume that Dallas would have beaten GB if they ruled that a catch. Even if they scored a TD, there was still 4 minutes left in the game and they would have had to convert a 2 point conversion just to go up by three. Rodgers would have had plenty of time to take the Packers down the field to tie or win the game.
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specifically does Garrett struggle at that is the problem from a HC position?
Again...I hear you some of you say the general comment relative to not winning the big game but is he making coaching mistakes in these "big games" or the ones needing to win before advancing to the big game? And if so...what?
That’s the bottom line. The HC is accountable for everything, not just one aspect. It’s about big picture with the HC. Dallas has so many favorable things by virtue of being America’s team (schedule, calls — year they do get that). He’s has talent, successful coordinators, everything you need to be successful. He competes in a division that is a two team race every year and Philly tends to be up and down themselves. And yet the results are underachieving. Are his teams prepared? Does he motivate? I don’t know, but he doesn’t strike me as a leader, and that’s the number one quality you need in a HC. Specifically I can’t say —I’m not in the room. But results speak for themselves.
Are they really underachieving if his teams have won the division Â
3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Winning this division, with as bad as the Skins and Giants have been isn’t some great achievement. No one thinks Garrett is terrible, but he certainly isn’t “very good”. He’s an average NFL head coach and I want more.
Would you be happy with what Garrett has done the last 9/10 years on the Giants? I wouldn’t. Look at McCarthy - that SB bought him a ton of time but he should have been axed years ago. Garrett doesn’t even have that.
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specifically does Garrett struggle at that is the problem from a HC position?
Again...I hear you some of you say the general comment relative to not winning the big game but is he making coaching mistakes in these "big games" or the ones needing to win before advancing to the big game? And if so...what?
That’s the bottom line. The HC is accountable for everything, not just one aspect. It’s about big picture with the HC. Dallas has so many favorable things by virtue of being America’s team (schedule, calls — year they do get that). He’s has talent, successful coordinators, everything you need to be successful. He competes in a division that is a two team race every year and Philly tends to be up and down themselves. And yet the results are underachieving. Are his teams prepared? Does he motivate? I don’t know, but he doesn’t strike me as a leader, and that’s the number one quality you need in a HC. Specifically I can’t say —I’m not in the room. But results speak for themselves.
This is kinda my take on him too. Not as much what he falls short at as much as not being really standout at anything either. Milquetoast coach. A step up from Shurm granted but that isn't necessarily a badge of honor either.
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Winning this division, with as bad as the Skins and Giants have been isn’t some great achievement. No one thinks Garrett is terrible, but he certainly isn’t “very good”. He’s an average NFL head coach and I want more.
Would you be happy with what Garrett has done the last 9/10 years on the Giants? I wouldn’t. Look at McCarthy - that SB bought him a ton of time but he should have been axed years ago. Garrett doesn’t even have that.
I am not arguing he's great, nor winning the division once is either. But he has done it 3 of the past 5 years, and in the once in a blue moon years the Giants or Redskins played well.
Is it possible us Giant fans have overrated the Cowboys talent and underestimated what it takes to win there? Is it possible Garrett actually provides more than just what we think is conservative gameplans?
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
Aren't we talking about the Cowboys lack of achievement under Garrett?
Here you are giving Garrett a pass for not playing in a Superbowl when they weren't favored and I give you examples of teams that weren't favored that did and your response is "How about 2008?" Sorry. Not going down that rabbit hole so you can change the subject.
sure it’s possible, I’d be lying if I said otherwise. But I think Garrett is an average coach. There’s a very large sample size for him and over the years he’s never sealed the deal and usually never even came close. If we had 1 coach for an entire decade that only has 2 playoffs wins that would be a massive failure, IMO.
They’ve been drafting well and he should get credit for some of that too. But still, I see a team that’s top 5, possibly top 3 from a talent standpoint and I would have expected a lot more out of it.
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
Aren't we talking about the Cowboys lack of achievement under Garrett?
Here you are giving Garrett a pass for not playing in a Superbowl when they weren't favored and I give you examples of teams that weren't favored that did and your response is "How about 2008?" Sorry. Not going down that rabbit hole so you can change the subject.
Fair enough, i was just throwing out concepts that when the Giants were a #1 seed they underperformed in the playoffs the most. Not every playoff is a lightening in a bottle year like 2007 and 2011.
I am not saying Garrett is all that and a bag of chips, just that I find that he put's up a very competitive team each year. He has not delivered a champion (or even a close champion) and you all agree he should lose his job for it. I just don't...
3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
Aren't we talking about the Cowboys lack of achievement under Garrett?
Here you are giving Garrett a pass for not playing in a Superbowl when they weren't favored and I give you examples of teams that weren't favored that did and your response is "How about 2008?" Sorry. Not going down that rabbit hole so you can change the subject.
Fair enough, i was just throwing out concepts that when the Giants were a #1 seed they underperformed in the playoffs the most. Not every playoff is a lightening in a bottle year like 2007 and 2011.
I am not saying Garrett is all that and a bag of chips, just that I find that he put's up a very competitive team each year. He has not delivered a champion (or even a close champion) and you all agree he should lose his job for it. I just don't...
I think we all agree that he shouldn't be the next coach of the Giants.
sure it’s possible, I’d be lying if I said otherwise. But I think Garrett is an average coach. There’s a very large sample size for him and over the years he’s never sealed the deal and usually never even came close. If we had 1 coach for an entire decade that only has 2 playoffs wins that would be a massive failure, IMO.
They’ve been drafting well and he should get credit for some of that too. But still, I see a team that’s top 5, possibly top 3 from a talent standpoint and I would have expected a lot more out of it.
Fair enough as well. I actually think Garrett is an above average coach but I realize that comes with the facts that when he plays other above avg coaches/teams in the playoffs they have gotten the better of him.
I am not sure I agree on that talent assessment, or what I was trying to say earlier...maybe his team is only about a #15 in talent but as a coach he brings them up to #5 with how he prepares and develops them.
I just don't think he should lose his job for what is is achieving in Dallas. But expectations are very high there...
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There is a pro bowl caliber player, or multiple pro bowl level players, on every single unit of that team. They're loaded. Byron Jones, Jaylen Smith, LVE, Sean Lee, DLaw and Quinn would all be the best defensive players on our team. Guys like Awuzie, Lewis and Collins are nice complimentary pieces on par with our best defensive players. They have an elite and deep OL, a stud RB and a perfectly complimented trio of WRs in Cooper, Gallup and Cobb. People will be all over the map on Dak but I believe he's in that deep 2nd tier of QBs behind the obvious elite guys. Meaning he'll rarely lose you games and is capable of lighting you up if the rest of the O is humming. That team is stacked.
There is a pro bowl caliber player, or multiple pro bowl level players, on every single unit of that team. They're loaded. Byron Jones, Jaylen Smith, LVE, Sean Lee, DLaw and Quinn would all be the best defensive players on our team. Guys like Awuzie, Lewis and Collins are nice complimentary pieces on par with our best defensive players. They have an elite and deep OL, a stud RB and a perfectly complimented trio of WRs in Cooper, Gallup and Cobb. People will be all over the map on Dak but I believe he's in that deep 2nd tier of QBs behind the obvious elite guys. Meaning he'll rarely lose you games and is capable of lighting you up if the rest of the O is humming. That team is stacked.
Geez...maybe your right.
We could use a guy like Garrett to help us coach against their, albeit few, weaknesses...
He has never gotten to the NFC championship game. He is 2-3 in playoffs. He has tried to build the team to look like the SB teams of the 90’s. He struggles against top tier coaches. The team does have superior talent. Dak is average and has padded his stats against weak teams. He is not accurate and cannot consistently throw receivers open. Teams beat the Cowboys by stopping Zeke and making Dak beat them.
Garrett is not a difference maker that could mold this team.
and he’s 2-3 in the playoffs. How can anyone defend that? I watch him continually make really stupid decisions, similar to the in game mistakes we’ve dealt with.
So we want him leading a roster with less talent?
And those two wins involved a bogus call that kept them alive against Detroit and a Seattle game that was somehow close late despite an overwhelming talent advantage for Dallas.
Hell no to Jason Garrett.
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Winning this division, with as bad as the Skins and Giants have been isn’t some great achievement. No one thinks Garrett is terrible, but he certainly isn’t “very good”. He’s an average NFL head coach and I want more.
Would you be happy with what Garrett has done the last 9/10 years on the Giants? I wouldn’t. Look at McCarthy - that SB bought him a ton of time but he should have been axed years ago. Garrett doesn’t even have that.
I am not arguing he's great, nor winning the division once is either. But he has done it 3 of the past 5 years, and in the once in a blue moon years the Giants or Redskins played well.
Is it possible us Giant fans have overrated the Cowboys talent and underestimated what it takes to win there? Is it possible Garrett actually provides more than just what we think is conservative gameplans?
I tend to lean towards this line of thinking...the talent is there because the head coach created it...it didn’t just appear and Garrett keeps screwing it up and losing games.
He has been sick of Garrett since like 2012.
Dallas had the worst defense in football from 2010-2013 yet they were basically 500 under Garrett during that stretch. They also sunk to a decayed level of play and culture prior to Garrett’s arrival in 2010. He helped turn Dallas from terrible to competitive.
If romo doesn’t miss a wide open wr in 2011 they win that division.
Garrett is far from perfect but he’s done more good than bad in Dallas. I know it’s crazy to suggest it, but I’d still take him as HC with nyg. I think he’d be terrific for jones and Barkley. And he presided over a team that went from no D to a good D. I’d take that here.
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If really this is just about how a talented team like theirs should be doing better than so be it.
Isn’t that the definition of coaching. Maximizing the performance of the talent. Isn’t that just what Garrett hasn’t done.
How do you know he hasn't though really? Maybe there incoming talent level needs to be tempered and he and his coaches have brought them up higher. Cowboys have had far less busts/disappointments from the draft then the Giants...maybe its because Garrett & Co develop and teach their players better.
Garrett has been a caretaker.
Dak drops back in the pocket 5 step drop. Pats the ball 5 times and doesn’t move off that point. Doesn’t step up. Doesn’t slide He just simply doesn’t move! Then he gets stripped from behind. That play is on him not his tackles and not his line. He has no feel for the game. This is the series after he threw a horrible screen pass on a play where they actually had the correct play called. Pollard was late on the fake but even so, he threw the ball with no touch no trajectory to get it over the lineman. Back to back terrible series for Dak but people want to ignore that because of his inflated numbers vs sub 500 teams. Jerry and the Dallas franchise are doing the smart thing with Dak. Let him get exposed and sign him at a discount. It’s happening
And he may be great at developing talent but that really doesn’t mean shit if he keeps botching it on game day, at least if he stays as a HC.
So we want him leading a roster with less talent?
Beat the Seahawks in the playoffs last year. Given how Wilson always seems to find a way to get a win when he doesn't deserve it, I don't think that could be overlooked.
BTW, Dak was really looking bad last season. Not sure what the Cowboys did to resurrect/hide him....maybe it was the Cooper trade, but he was struggling for a bit there and then all of that has been conveniently forgotten.
they won more than one playoff game under GArrett.
Yes we can play that game all day long. We can play that game with many of the so called great HCs too. Want to play the Coughlin game?
I'm just saying, who else are we going to get as HC here?
You want garbage? we have that. You want legendary? where the fuck is that guy? You want a guy that left Dallas in better shape than what he inherited, and has been known to do terrific things with young QBs, has playoff postseason experience--and he MIGHT actually be available?
Devil you know might be better than some fucking loser.
What was Coughlin's record in 2006 against good teams?
Stats are fun and they can assist us at times,but are they the end all be all?
I'll say it again, Dallas was this close to winning an NFC title under GArret--more than once. I know they didn't, but that doesn't mean GArrett was the reason why. I know they won a lot more games than they didn't, under Garrett, and I think he deserves some credit for that. The body of work is too large to just dismiss his contributions or label the guy as lucky. HE was lucky at times, and also unlucky. It took a heroic and legendary performance out of Rodgers to keep Dallas out of two NFC title games. The guy was literally one or two plays from the NFC title game. Twice.
I like that in a coach. Maybe he is another Schottenheimer, doomed to postseason failure every year. I still take my chances with that guy every time over some unproven guy that will have this team chasing its own tail every season.
Yes he’s better than Shurmur - that’s what we should settle for?
"Or Eli". LMAO. Stop please
And he has had odds tilted in his favor with some better than average talent over the years, tremendous support staff (its practically an unfair competitive advantage that he has had Marinelli that isn't a HC candidate for reasons), and back to back QB play anything from arguably elite to average over 10 years. Good coaching is what separates the winners from the losers when the good teams play, where details matter and every little mistake gets highlighted.
What the hell is the argument that he is a good coach? He won some games in this sceneraio? Fuck I could coach the Cowboys to a winning record under these circumstances. And I don't think he's a bad coach, now thatPat Shurmur is a bad coach, he is just merely a mediocre one. And this isnthe year I thought Garrett was either going to be forever known as a mediocre coach or a good one. He has time to turn it around but so far he hasn't rang that bell.
That sums it up very nicely.
I would add a worse GM, too... ;)
That 07 team as well. Patrick Crayton dropped pass. That cowboys team was loaded all around
Why no mention of the free win the game earlier? They shouldn’t have been in that game anyway. Seems like a fitting ending.
So you’re just going to ignore the fact that Dallas shouldn’t have even been in that game? The refs handed them the game the week before, so no, Dallas wasn’t “robbed” of a championship. Besides the fact that winning that game wouldn’t have been an automatic championship anyways. They would have had two games left
Again...I hear you some of you say the general comment relative to not winning the big game but is he making coaching mistakes in these "big games" or the ones needing to win before advancing to the big game? And if so...what?
Again...I hear you some of you say the general comment relative to not winning the big game but is he making coaching mistakes in these "big games" or the ones needing to win before advancing to the big game? And if so...what?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Winning this division, with as bad as the Skins and Giants have been isn’t some great achievement. No one thinks Garrett is terrible, but he certainly isn’t “very good”. He’s an average NFL head coach and I want more.
Would you be happy with what Garrett has done the last 9/10 years on the Giants? I wouldn’t. Look at McCarthy - that SB bought him a ton of time but he should have been axed years ago. Garrett doesn’t even have that.
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
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specifically does Garrett struggle at that is the problem from a HC position?
Again...I hear you some of you say the general comment relative to not winning the big game but is he making coaching mistakes in these "big games" or the ones needing to win before advancing to the big game? And if so...what?
That’s the bottom line. The HC is accountable for everything, not just one aspect. It’s about big picture with the HC. Dallas has so many favorable things by virtue of being America’s team (schedule, calls — year they do get that). He’s has talent, successful coordinators, everything you need to be successful. He competes in a division that is a two team race every year and Philly tends to be up and down themselves. And yet the results are underachieving. Are his teams prepared? Does he motivate? I don’t know, but he doesn’t strike me as a leader, and that’s the number one quality you need in a HC. Specifically I can’t say —I’m not in the room. But results speak for themselves.
This is kinda my take on him too. Not as much what he falls short at as much as not being really standout at anything either. Milquetoast coach. A step up from Shurm granted but that isn't necessarily a badge of honor either.
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Winning this division, with as bad as the Skins and Giants have been isn’t some great achievement. No one thinks Garrett is terrible, but he certainly isn’t “very good”. He’s an average NFL head coach and I want more.
Would you be happy with what Garrett has done the last 9/10 years on the Giants? I wouldn’t. Look at McCarthy - that SB bought him a ton of time but he should have been axed years ago. Garrett doesn’t even have that.
I am not arguing he's great, nor winning the division once is either. But he has done it 3 of the past 5 years, and in the once in a blue moon years the Giants or Redskins played well.
Is it possible us Giant fans have overrated the Cowboys talent and underestimated what it takes to win there? Is it possible Garrett actually provides more than just what we think is conservative gameplans?
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
Aren't we talking about the Cowboys lack of achievement under Garrett?
Here you are giving Garrett a pass for not playing in a Superbowl when they weren't favored and I give you examples of teams that weren't favored that did and your response is "How about 2008?" Sorry. Not going down that rabbit hole so you can change the subject.
They’ve been drafting well and he should get credit for some of that too. But still, I see a team that’s top 5, possibly top 3 from a talent standpoint and I would have expected a lot more out of it.
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
Aren't we talking about the Cowboys lack of achievement under Garrett?
Here you are giving Garrett a pass for not playing in a Superbowl when they weren't favored and I give you examples of teams that weren't favored that did and your response is "How about 2008?" Sorry. Not going down that rabbit hole so you can change the subject.
Fair enough, i was just throwing out concepts that when the Giants were a #1 seed they underperformed in the playoffs the most. Not every playoff is a lightening in a bottle year like 2007 and 2011.
I am not saying Garrett is all that and a bag of chips, just that I find that he put's up a very competitive team each year. He has not delivered a champion (or even a close champion) and you all agree he should lose his job for it. I just don't...
That seems like a lateral move at best to me.
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In comment 14695394 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14695393 Mendenhall64 said:
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In comment 14695360 Jimmy Googs said:
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Maybe just play in one?
Ok, were they supposedly NFC favorites either?
Like the Giants were in 2000, 2007, and 2011?
How about 2008?
Aren't we talking about the Cowboys lack of achievement under Garrett?
Here you are giving Garrett a pass for not playing in a Superbowl when they weren't favored and I give you examples of teams that weren't favored that did and your response is "How about 2008?" Sorry. Not going down that rabbit hole so you can change the subject.
Fair enough, i was just throwing out concepts that when the Giants were a #1 seed they underperformed in the playoffs the most. Not every playoff is a lightening in a bottle year like 2007 and 2011.
I am not saying Garrett is all that and a bag of chips, just that I find that he put's up a very competitive team each year. He has not delivered a champion (or even a close champion) and you all agree he should lose his job for it. I just don't...
I think we all agree that he shouldn't be the next coach of the Giants.
They’ve been drafting well and he should get credit for some of that too. But still, I see a team that’s top 5, possibly top 3 from a talent standpoint and I would have expected a lot more out of it.
Fair enough as well. I actually think Garrett is an above average coach but I realize that comes with the facts that when he plays other above avg coaches/teams in the playoffs they have gotten the better of him.
I am not sure I agree on that talent assessment, or what I was trying to say earlier...maybe his team is only about a #15 in talent but as a coach he brings them up to #5 with how he prepares and develops them.
I just don't think he should lose his job for what is is achieving in Dallas. But expectations are very high there...
I think we all agree that he shouldn't be the next coach of the Giants.
I am not agreeing to that.
I haven't given new alternatives one bit of thought, but if you asked me if I choose Garrett over Shurmur coming back...I go Garrett.
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I think we all agree that he shouldn't be the next coach of the Giants.
I am not agreeing to that.
I haven't given new alternatives one bit of thought, but if you asked me if I choose Garrett over Shurmur coming back...I go Garrett.
The "all" I was referencing was the "all" you were claiming he should lose his job.
No, not after Garrett has coached them.
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Geez...maybe your right.
We could use a guy like Garrett to help us coach against their, albeit few, weaknesses...
and he’s still on a rookie contract - if they elect to pay him $35 mil against their annual cap... then he could become a coach killer
When you look up bad contracts and qb killers in the dictionary - Jared Goff says hi
Garrett is not a difference maker that could mold this team.
So we want him leading a roster with less talent?
And those two wins involved a bogus call that kept them alive against Detroit and a Seattle game that was somehow close late despite an overwhelming talent advantage for Dallas.
Hell no to Jason Garrett.
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In comment 14695360 Jimmy Googs said:r
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3 of the last 5 years and put up a very good winning %?
Were they supposed to win the superbowl in each of those years?
Winning this division, with as bad as the Skins and Giants have been isn’t some great achievement. No one thinks Garrett is terrible, but he certainly isn’t “very good”. He’s an average NFL head coach and I want more.
Would you be happy with what Garrett has done the last 9/10 years on the Giants? I wouldn’t. Look at McCarthy - that SB bought him a ton of time but he should have been axed years ago. Garrett doesn’t even have that.
I am not arguing he's great, nor winning the division once is either. But he has done it 3 of the past 5 years, and in the once in a blue moon years the Giants or Redskins played well.
Is it possible us Giant fans have overrated the Cowboys talent and underestimated what it takes to win there? Is it possible Garrett actually provides more than just what we think is conservative gameplans?
I tend to lean towards this line of thinking...the talent is there because the head coach created it...it didn’t just appear and Garrett keeps screwing it up and losing games.