Earlier in the year I started a thread about extending EE after this year. Now I’m not sure it’s a good idea to even pick up his fifth year option this offseason. The guy just can’t stay in the field and it’s unlikely to get better. The fifth year option is only guaranteed for injury and that is too much risk to take with him.
On the flip side it seems to me that peppers has cut down on his mistakes and is not running around like a chicken with its head cut off like he was earlier in the year. I wouldn’t be against picking up his option but think the best course of action would be to let him play out his rookie deal and assess after next year.
With Engram I’d like to wait and see who’s coaching this team next year to make a decision. He has value, he has talent, but we don’t currently have a coaching staff that has a clue what to do with a guy like him. If we’re going to have another year of Shurmur, or another bland offensive mind, I’d trade him and take the asset. With that being said, I’d much rather have a creative coach that can use him like a weapon.
I searched the archives (what a useless search utility) as I remember discussing Evan with you earlier this season. I did find a comment as it pertains to Evan and his 5th year option to provide some context.
Decision on Evan Engram looms - ( New Window )
After the draft and the first week of May. $8.5M for Engram. I haven't looked up Peppers.
peppers appears to be a keeper but he's going to be similar to landon collins in 2 years. a good but not great player who will probably get significantly overpaid
Keep in mind the Giants are also, as of now, going to pay Ellison 7.1M (I assume he's cut).
I'd put Engram in the middle of the pack of value for a tight end. He's always banged up, which doesn't lend itself to longevity. But he's got plus talent when he sticks on the field.
It's worth paying him a little more to avoid a long term commitment. Otherwise just walk away.
Remmers is a no
The decision needs to be made this offseason
I don’t think so but the bucs cut Hargreaves after picking up the option so apparently you can do that.
You left out he also suffers from dropping passes.
San Francisco picked a tight end in the same draft in the 5th round. And he's an all pro who can catch and block. Picking Engram was a terrible waste. Don't add to it by picking up the option.
The option is only guaranteed for injury. I believe the player can be cut if he can pass a physical before the league year start of his 5th year.
I'm also curious where the 8.5M number comes from. Just eyeballing the 3rd -25th salaries (both total comp and cap hit) -- I don't see how that averages out to 8.5M.
I’d like a more complete TE like what the Ravens have.
If Engram could play 16 he'd grab 1000 - 8 TD easy.
According to the formula it looks like it will still be under 6M. So effectively Engram has 2 years/~10.5M of team control left.
He's got a drop rate under 5%, he's got 3 drops this year. His problem is health.
At the cost control, age, and talent -- he's an attractive trade asset if the Giants want to move him. He's the type of player who you should be able to get a 2nd and 5th.
The option is guaranteed for injury once picked up, so if the player suffers a serious injury that carries over to the option year, the team would be on the hook to pay him the option salary.
One way of dealing with this risk is to cut the player mid-season rather than continue to put him on the field. Of course, this usually happens when the team decides it's not going to be interested in keeping the player for the option year.
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So why are we talking 5th year?
The decision needs to be made this offseason
Thanks Ron. Learn something every day.
According to the formula it looks like it will still be under 6M. So effectively Engram has 2 years/~10.5M of team control left.
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I made a mistake in reading the wrong column. The link is for 2018 5th year option salaries. In 2019, there are no eligible TEs for 2019. And we won't know the salaries for 2020. So we can make assumptions that the cost will never go down and base the figures on known salaries. Top 10 TEs is $8.5M. 11-32 TEs is $5.4M.
I still stand by the assertion that Engram is a one dimensional player. Nothing wrong with that, but a player who is one dimensional better be excellent at what they do. Engram is not that. Can he be? Maybe. But you can trust what he has done so far in the 3 years and that is average. That is fine on a rookie deal and he'll never live up to where he was taken in the draft when there were players like Ramczyk on the board. But there is no reason to compound the mistake and pay him. Move him before picking up the 5th and let his new team make the decision. If there are no buyers, then you keep him on the rookie deal and let him walk in FA yielding a comp pick.
he can get open. The problem is they can't run the ball. ANd if you dratf another TE in rds 1-3 it's another quality receiver that allows EE to get less double-teamed. AN you would expect SLayton to get better. And if they could use SB better . . .
32-year-old Jared Cook pocketed a 2-year deal at 7.5M /year last offseason for reference.
I think Engram is very one dimensional, heck I'm an original member of the Engram should be a receiver club.
The Giants should exercise the option and look to trade him, and if there's no takers 2/~10M for a tight end is a fine deal.
32-year-old Jared Cook pocketed a 2-year deal at 7.5M /year last offseason for reference.
I think Engram is very one dimensional, heck I'm an original member of the Engram should be a receiver club.
The Giants should exercise the option and look to trade him, and if there's no takers 2/~10M for a tight end is a fine deal.
In a team devoid of any talent it would be nice if our cap space next season could afford him.
Always said he was a bit of a reach but on his makeup...
One year at those prices isn’t the worst. Get rid of them if needed