Even though he didn't do too much today, gotta say he's one of the more impressive receivers I feel has come out in years.
As bad as we need O-Lone help, some kind of defense, etc.. I'm all for drafting BPA.. IMO, the edge from Ohio State doesn't fall to us, there isn't a Left Tackle in this draft that's worth a top 5 pick. JJ would definitely be a nice consolation pick for sure
Looking at his body of work, I don't think I've ever seen anyone run routes like this guy!! His speed is out of this world, hands are really good. On the downside, he is a little slight of frame.
If we're drafting top 5 and Chase Young doesn't make it to us, I wouldn't complain about this pick at all, then get the best LT in the 2nd round. Sterling Shepard is not a #1 wide receiver, Jeudy will keep defenses honest
I like to keep an open mind deep into the process until we get as much info as possible as amateur draft enthusiasts.
As for Jeudy I'm already over analyzing him as he gets so much exposure because he's so damn good. I could wish he had better size for one. But any legit criticism of him is a waste of time. He's got what you want in any prospect ie elite production and football instincts with both a high ceiling and floor.
Sure. By all means. Let's pass on Jerry Rice for the next Ereck Flowers, Vernon Gholston or Mark Barron. Fuck BPA.
Guy I have to take this more seriously.
OL. DE. LB. Anything but a WR in the top 10.
If Jeudy is the best player on the board so be it.
If Jeudy is the best player on the board so be it.
Nope.
It had to do with an incompetent GM.
Find the right players for the positions you need. If need be-- trade down to get the positions you need which eventually would be "BPA" which is extremely subjective anyways. . . As another poster pointed out look at all wr failures. Many were probably BPA.
Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?
People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
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anyone ever learn?
Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?
People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
So now he's a superstar? What next- he's Jerry Rice or better because you said so?
Didn't e hear the story of how Barkley was going to change the offense?
How great was the Giants offense with OBJ and SB?
You can guarantee JJ is a superstar?
I like Smith with our second rd pick
what's even more unbelievable is that there are a lot of posters here who think that it was a great idea.
If young is off the board and these lineman aren’t can’t miss prospects we need to trade down. Can’t take a wr at the top of the draft without any lineman. Anyone remember that guy number 13 who we took and didn’t have lineman. That really worked out well for us 5 years later.
It’s young or a blue chip tackle or a trade down if we can find some partners. Remember when Atlanta traded up for Julio. Something similar could happen here. A team that feels they are one playmaker away may trade to grab juedy. Funny thing is to me is that waffle and ruggs look to be similar in talent and can be had later in round 1 or round 2.
Everyone should keep an eye on laviska shenault from Colorado. Swiss army talent. 6 foot 2 220 lbs. monster.
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anyone ever learn?
Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?
People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
Seriously? This team, and the offense, sucked equally as bad with and without Odell Beckham. We had arguably the best WR in the league and won jack shit while he was on the team. If you’re going to say that if we could have a redo and take Aaron Donald or Zach Martin over him than you’re just full of crap.
Wide receiver is the worst possible investment of a first round pick outside of a punter or kicker.
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Trade down to a team looking for a QB; we have holes up and down the roster.
I don’t think any OT this year warrants a top 5 pick and I certainly don’t want to take a WR that high.
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Trade down to a team looking for a QB; we have holes up and down the roster.
I don’t think any OT this year warrants a top 5 pick and I certainly don’t want to take a WR that high.
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Hey Sy, I know you are busy, but if you have a top 5 as of 12/1/19, could you share it. Thanks....if you do it.
Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?
Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?
I watched it until there was about 5 minutes left in the game. I didn't see Young do anything. No sacks or even pressures. However, anyone can have a bad game. It wouldn't change my mind about drafting him were he available for us.
Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?
He didn’t play great.
Either Michigan did a real nice job managing his rush or he just had an off day. But that shouldn’t take away from a phenomenal season...to date.
Throw Waddle in the mix and I can argue three guys are better prospects...
We should take either the best OL, edge rusher, or trade down.
I hate to draft on need but I am with you here. Outside of a player far and away the best (which if you don't need, you trade down from) then go for a position of need all other things being equal. We need to protect Jones big time.
I say go all out for Young though.
SY, just curious, where do you have him in your top 5 rankings? I find this very hard to comprehend
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team
Throw Waddle in the mix and I can argue three guys are better prospects...
Waddle could be the best pro of them all. Has a very Tyreke Hill feel to his game.
Maybe because Auburn did everything they could to keep him from ruining the game for them. In turn it opened up opportunities for the rest of the WR's and Bama's O to have big games.
Very similar to what Michigan did yesterday to Young IMO only on the other side of the ball. Young didn't have his best game but Michigan was doubling him nearly every play and when they weren't they either went away from him or chipped him if they weren't straight up doubling him.
He's piled up stats in blowout wins of 40 points plus. Jeudy's the #1 but his own teammate Devonta Smith puts up better stats every game. I'm not using a top 10 pick on him despite our need for a #1 WR. Look again in round 2.
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BBI-favorite Chase Young do much of anything. And its not like Michigan wasn't throwing the ball.
Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?
He didn’t play great.
Either Michigan did a real nice job managing his rush or he just had an off day. But that shouldn’t take away from a phenomenal season...to date.
No but it should also be taken into account. These are the competition games that matter since its the quality of players and coaches you will be facing at the next level.
Not trashing on him just tempering BBI enthusiasm for the next greatest thing since sliced bread...
He's piled up stats in blowout wins of 40 points plus. Jeudy's the #1 but his own teammate Devonta Smith puts up better stats every game. I'm not using a top 10 pick on him despite our need for a #1 WR. Look again in round 2.
You make a really valid point Csonka, I will explain.
It just irks me that we don't have a guy that is capable of beating defenders and catch the ball on a consistent basis, we just don't have this..I've been watching Jeudy for a couple of years now, IMO hes by far the best thing on Bama and the best WR in college. He had an off-day, however, we need a Wr BAD
Anyone who has watched the Giants this year can tell you that the O-Line sucks, it needs to be upgraded. Don't see why we can't do this with a high second round pick, get someone in F/A, Hernandez is a solid up and coming player.
With a couple of moves, the line can be changed significantly for the better.
Things like speed, hands, can't be taught..Route running is difficult to teach, this guy already has it.
Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will matter with ineffective coaching. I try not to pile on, however, I just don't think we have a very good coach or coaching staff.
Correct. Every time I see Jeudy he's dropping a pass.
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team
SY, just curious, where do you have him in your top 5 rankings? I find this very hard to comprehend
I have Jeudy #3 WR in this class right now.
Waddle is better than him - but he isn't in the draft class.
The problem is that as far as I know OBJ was OBJ without the attitude issues in the college.
No but it should also be taken into account. These are the competition games that matter since its the quality of players and coaches you will be facing at the next level.
Not trashing on him just tempering BBI enthusiasm for the next greatest thing since sliced bread...
I get it, believe me. The majority of BBI really don't really watch college football and rely on highlights courtesy of ESPN, Youtube, etc.
But I think Young is a great talent having a great year. He had 4 sacks against Wisconsin and 3 against PSU. That's quite impressive...no?
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Strange time to lobby for Jeudy after a 5-26 game.
He's piled up stats in blowout wins of 40 points plus. Jeudy's the #1 but his own teammate Devonta Smith puts up better stats every game. I'm not using a top 10 pick on him despite our need for a #1 WR. Look again in round 2.
You make a really valid point Csonka, I will explain.
It just irks me that we don't have a guy that is capable of beating defenders and catch the ball on a consistent basis, we just don't have this..I've been watching Jeudy for a couple of years now, IMO hes by far the best thing on Bama and the best WR in college. He had an off-day, however, we need a Wr BAD
Anyone who has watched the Giants this year can tell you that the O-Line sucks, it needs to be upgraded. Don't see why we can't do this with a high second round pick, get someone in F/A, Hernandez is a solid up and coming player.
With a couple of moves, the line can be changed significantly for the better.
Things like speed, hands, can't be taught..Route running is difficult to teach, this guy already has it.
Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will matter with ineffective coaching. I try not to pile on, however, I just don't think we have a very good coach or coaching staff.
If you use the 3rd pick on JJ, and you use big bucks to get a Tackle in FA and you use a 2nd rd pick on a center, what does that lead you to to get defense? I know we have a lot of money in cap space but you knwo many teams are also looking to improve and they will overpay a "Solder" to get what they need too.
I know you said we need a WR bad. I agree. But we also need two OL bad. We need a pass rusher bad. We need an ILB bad. We need a Safety bad. I have no problem getting a Wr just not with the 3rd pick because I think the trenches overall with the Giants (Linebackers are part of the trenches) needs to be a very high priority. OFC not all - but I would think a 3rd pick we'd can do better than a WR unless JJ is a lock to be a superstar. WHich he isn't.