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Ron Hussler : 11/30/2019 8:04 pm
Even though he didn't do too much today, gotta say he's one of the more impressive receivers I feel has come out in years.

As bad as we need O-Lone help, some kind of defense, etc.. I'm all for drafting BPA.. IMO, the edge from Ohio State doesn't fall to us, there isn't a Left Tackle in this draft that's worth a top 5 pick. JJ would definitely be a nice consolation pick for sure

Looking at his body of work, I don't think I've ever seen anyone run routes like this guy!! His speed is out of this world, hands are really good. On the downside, he is a little slight of frame.

If we're drafting top 5 and Chase Young doesn't make it to us, I wouldn't complain about this pick at all, then get the best LT in the 2nd round. Sterling Shepard is not a #1 wide receiver, Jeudy will keep defenses honest
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Fuck That  
WillVAB : 11/30/2019 10:52 pm : link
If DG takes a WR top 10 that will be it for me.
Fuck That  
WillVAB : 11/30/2019 10:53 pm : link
If DG takes a WR top 10 that will be it for me.
He can be the second  
jvm52106 : 11/30/2019 10:54 pm : link
coming of Jerry Rice but, if we don't block for Jones it won't matter! Oline, Pass Rush or playmaker S or LB before any other position.
'there isn't a Left Tackle in this draft that's worth a top 5 pick'  
Torrag : 11/30/2019 10:57 pm : link
The kid Wirfs from Iowa is going to fly up boards once the scouts weigh in. The mainstream draftniks are often behind the curve on some of these guys. Same applies to a guy like Gross Matos who is a beast and is just filling up stat lines for Penn State.

I like to keep an open mind deep into the process until we get as much info as possible as amateur draft enthusiasts.

As for Jeudy I'm already over analyzing him as he gets so much exposure because he's so damn good. I could wish he had better size for one. But any legit criticism of him is a waste of time. He's got what you want in any prospect ie elite production and football instincts with both a high ceiling and floor.
RE: He can be the second  
Anakim : 11/30/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14696181 jvm52106 said:
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coming of Jerry Rice but, if we don't block for Jones it won't matter! Oline, Pass Rush or playmaker S or LB before any other position.


Sure. By all means. Let's pass on Jerry Rice for the next Ereck Flowers, Vernon Gholston or Mark Barron. Fuck BPA.
I think of  
Darth Paul : 11/30/2019 11:16 pm : link
Brooklyn Nine Nine everyte I hear his name.

Guy I have to take this more seriously.
People here incessantly bitch  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/30/2019 11:54 pm : link
About picking Barkley 2 and regardless of how good Jeudy is WR is the biggest waste of an early pick. Just makes no sense. Has Julio Jones helped ATL win much in the playoffs other than one season? Megtron in Det? Two HOF talents. The list of impact WRs picked after around one is a mile long.

OL. DE. LB. Anything but a WR in the top 10.
does  
mittenedman : 11/30/2019 11:57 pm : link
anyone ever learn?

OBJ vs Martin all over again  
gtt350 : 12/1/2019 12:05 am : link
don't do it
BPA  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/1/2019 12:09 am : link
Don't reach for position. That's exactly how we ended up with Pugh and Flowers. You can't make a top 5 OL appear if there isn't one on the board just by forcing it.

If Jeudy is the best player on the board so be it.
RE: BPA  
giantstock : 12/1/2019 12:17 am : link
In comment 14696201 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Don't reach for position. That's exactly how we ended up with Pugh and Flowers. You can't make a top 5 OL appear if there isn't one on the board just by forcing it.

If Jeudy is the best player on the board so be it.


Nope.

It had to do with an incompetent GM.

Find the right players for the positions you need. If need be-- trade down to get the positions you need which eventually would be "BPA" which is extremely subjective anyways. . . As another poster pointed out look at all wr failures. Many were probably BPA.
RE: does  
Ron Hussler : 12/1/2019 12:58 am : link
In comment 14696199 mittenedman said:
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anyone ever learn?



Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?

People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
RE: RE: does  
giantstock : 12/1/2019 1:26 am : link
In comment 14696211 Ron Hussler said:
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In comment 14696199 mittenedman said:


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anyone ever learn?





Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?

People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up


So now he's a superstar? What next- he's Jerry Rice or better because you said so?

Didn't e hear the story of how Barkley was going to change the offense?

How great was the Giants offense with OBJ and SB?

You can guarantee JJ is a superstar?
RE: Jeudy seems like he will be a solid to great NFL receiver,  
Nine-Tails : 12/1/2019 1:38 am : link
In comment 14696144 barens said:
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But Ruggs and Smith, what is really the difference between the three, especially Smith, that guy just makes big plays.


I like Smith with our second rd pick
He’s a stud  
Ned In Atlanta : 12/1/2019 3:01 am : link
Wouldn’t hate it. Again cannot believe Gettleman traded a top 65 pick for a freakin impending UFA.
RE: He’s a stud  
huygens20 : 12/1/2019 6:35 am : link
In comment 14696217 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Wouldn’t hate it. Again cannot believe Gettleman traded a top 65 pick for a freakin impending UFA.


what's even more unbelievable is that there are a lot of posters here who think that it was a great idea.
No  
jeff57 : 12/1/2019 6:43 am : link
It’s a deep WR draft. If you’re picking in the top 5, take defense or an OL. Or trade down.
As far as WRs go,  
section125 : 12/1/2019 6:50 am : link
I like the kid from Notre Dame Chase Claypool. Very good hands from what I see, and very big.
RE: If Young is off the table  
Tuckrule : 12/1/2019 7:16 am : link
In comment 14696118 Jay on the Island said:
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and Jeudy has a higher grade than any of the OT's or defensive players then I wouldn't complain if he is the pick.


If young is off the board and these lineman aren’t can’t miss prospects we need to trade down. Can’t take a wr at the top of the draft without any lineman. Anyone remember that guy number 13 who we took and didn’t have lineman. That really worked out well for us 5 years later.

It’s young or a blue chip tackle or a trade down if we can find some partners. Remember when Atlanta traded up for Julio. Something similar could happen here. A team that feels they are one playmaker away may trade to grab juedy. Funny thing is to me is that waffle and ruggs look to be similar in talent and can be had later in round 1 or round 2.

Everyone should keep an eye on laviska shenault from Colorado. Swiss army talent. 6 foot 2 220 lbs. monster.
This would be an example of what not to do  
Jimmy Googs : 12/1/2019 7:25 am : link
for NYG draft...
RE: RE: does  
Mike in NJ : 12/1/2019 7:27 am : link
In comment 14696211 Ron Hussler said:
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anyone ever learn?





Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?

People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up


Seriously? This team, and the offense, sucked equally as bad with and without Odell Beckham. We had arguably the best WR in the league and won jack shit while he was on the team. If you’re going to say that if we could have a redo and take Aaron Donald or Zach Martin over him than you’re just full of crap.

Wide receiver is the worst possible investment of a first round pick outside of a punter or kicker.
How does Jeudy high point the ball?  
CromartiesKid21 : 12/1/2019 8:02 am : link
If I'm picking a WR top 5 I want that Juilo/Calvin physically dominant types that can not only create space, run the full route tree but be also able to dominante on 50-50 balls
Just curious  
5BowlsSoon : 12/1/2019 8:15 am : link
If Jeudy is that good why did two other WRs on Alabama go off yesterday while Jeudy did very little?
I actually think  
Sy'56 : 12/1/2019 8:20 am : link
he is the 3rd best WR on that team
To me it’s really simple: 2 choices  
The_Boss : 12/1/2019 8:30 am : link
Chase Young
Or
Trade down to a team looking for a QB; we have holes up and down the roster.

I don’t think any OT this year warrants a top 5 pick and I certainly don’t want to take a WR that high.
The draft is all about value  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 8:50 am : link
Lets say we have the 3rd pick in the draft. We decide to trade down. We just need to make sure we get value at where we pick and don't miss on the extra picks we get.
RE: To me it’s really simple: 2 choices  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/1/2019 8:55 am : link
In comment 14696273 The_Boss said:
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Chase Young
Or
Trade down to a team looking for a QB; we have holes up and down the roster.

I don’t think any OT this year warrants a top 5 pick and I certainly don’t want to take a WR that high.


X 10000
RE: I actually think  
5BowlsSoon : 12/1/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14696266 Sy'56 said:
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team


What?

Hey Sy, I know you are busy, but if you have a top 5 as of 12/1/19, could you share it. Thanks....if you do it.
I watched the Ohio St - Mich game on and off but didn't see  
Jimmy Googs : 12/1/2019 9:12 am : link
BBI-favorite Chase Young do much of anything. And its not like Michigan wasn't throwing the ball.

Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?

RE: I watched the Ohio St - Mich game on and off but didn't see  
BlueVinnie : 12/1/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14696308 Jimmy Googs said:
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BBI-favorite Chase Young do much of anything. And its not like Michigan wasn't throwing the ball.

Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?


I watched it until there was about 5 minutes left in the game. I didn't see Young do anything. No sacks or even pressures. However, anyone can have a bad game. It wouldn't change my mind about drafting him were he available for us.
I'm really hoping the BPA is either OL or DL...  
Matt G : 12/1/2019 9:46 am : link
If it's Jerry Jeudy, so be it... He has been a heck of a player in his three years at Bama
RE: I watched the Ohio St - Mich game on and off but didn't see  
bw in dc : 12/1/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14696308 Jimmy Googs said:
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BBI-favorite Chase Young do much of anything. And its not like Michigan wasn't throwing the ball.

Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?


He didn’t play great.

Either Michigan did a real nice job managing his rush or he just had an off day. But that shouldn’t take away from a phenomenal season...to date.
RE: I actually think  
bw in dc : 12/1/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14696266 Sy'56 said:
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team


Throw Waddle in the mix and I can argue three guys are better prospects...
Given that the Giants  
BigBlueCane : 12/1/2019 10:12 am : link
don't know how to evaluate or grade OL anymore (a problem most of the league shares), I would say people dismissing OL as not being Top 5 worthy are at least as suspect as those who say there are OL worthy of the top 5.
RE: This is a bumper crop...  
DannyBoy : 12/1/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14696119 bw in dc said:
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draft for WRs. No need to invest a high pick in a WR.

We should take either the best OL, edge rusher, or trade down.


I hate to draft on need but I am with you here. Outside of a player far and away the best (which if you don't need, you trade down from) then go for a position of need all other things being equal. We need to protect Jones big time.

I say go all out for Young though.
RE: I actually think  
Ron Hussler : 12/1/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14696266 Sy'56 said:
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team



SY, just curious, where do you have him in your top 5 rankings? I find this very hard to comprehend
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WillVAB : 12/1/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14696360 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14696266 Sy'56 said:


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he is the 3rd best WR on that team



Throw Waddle in the mix and I can argue three guys are better prospects...


Waddle could be the best pro of them all. Has a very Tyreke Hill feel to his game.
What stud high 1st round WR  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/1/2019 10:58 am : link
Does NE, SF and Balt have?
I havent gotten into it but apparently  
Bleedblue10 : 12/1/2019 10:59 am : link
this draft is very deep with WRs so to use a top 5 pick on one would be the Giants way to go. It will turn out like the Barkley pick where you have this great player with no line to help the QB get him the ball. No thank you if we miss out on Young give me Espenesa or Wirfs. Hell even the LB from Clemson would be ok just no RB or WR in the first round this year.
depends on knuckle head Gettleman strategy  
mdc1 : 12/1/2019 11:36 am : link
knowing him, he will stick with or try to supplement the oline through free agency, leaving best player available options. Notice, barkley, jones, ?
one thing for sure though and remember this  
mdc1 : 12/1/2019 11:38 am : link
this is a passing league and we have no receivers, especially guys that can get separation or get deep. Any of those Bama receivers are an upgrade over what we have, including speed.
RE: Just curious  
Eman11 : 12/1/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14696264 5BowlsSoon said:
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If Jeudy is that good why did two other WRs on Alabama go off yesterday while Jeudy did very little?


Maybe because Auburn did everything they could to keep him from ruining the game for them. In turn it opened up opportunities for the rest of the WR's and Bama's O to have big games.

Very similar to what Michigan did yesterday to Young IMO only on the other side of the ball. Young didn't have his best game but Michigan was doubling him nearly every play and when they weren't they either went away from him or chipped him if they weren't straight up doubling him.

Jeudy  
Csonka : 12/1/2019 11:55 am : link
Strange time to lobby for Jeudy after a 5-26 game.

He's piled up stats in blowout wins of 40 points plus. Jeudy's the #1 but his own teammate Devonta Smith puts up better stats every game. I'm not using a top 10 pick on him despite our need for a #1 WR. Look again in round 2.
RE: RE: I watched the Ohio St - Mich game on and off but didn't see  
Jimmy Googs : 12/1/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14696356 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14696308 Jimmy Googs said:


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BBI-favorite Chase Young do much of anything. And its not like Michigan wasn't throwing the ball.

Anybody who watched the whole game see anything worth noting?




He didn’t play great.

Either Michigan did a real nice job managing his rush or he just had an off day. But that shouldn’t take away from a phenomenal season...to date.


No but it should also be taken into account. These are the competition games that matter since its the quality of players and coaches you will be facing at the next level.

Not trashing on him just tempering BBI enthusiasm for the next greatest thing since sliced bread...
RE: Jeudy  
Ron Hussler : 12/1/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14696468 Csonka said:
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Strange time to lobby for Jeudy after a 5-26 game.

He's piled up stats in blowout wins of 40 points plus. Jeudy's the #1 but his own teammate Devonta Smith puts up better stats every game. I'm not using a top 10 pick on him despite our need for a #1 WR. Look again in round 2.



You make a really valid point Csonka, I will explain.

It just irks me that we don't have a guy that is capable of beating defenders and catch the ball on a consistent basis, we just don't have this..I've been watching Jeudy for a couple of years now, IMO hes by far the best thing on Bama and the best WR in college. He had an off-day, however, we need a Wr BAD

Anyone who has watched the Giants this year can tell you that the O-Line sucks, it needs to be upgraded. Don't see why we can't do this with a high second round pick, get someone in F/A, Hernandez is a solid up and coming player.

With a couple of moves, the line can be changed significantly for the better.

Things like speed, hands, can't be taught..Route running is difficult to teach, this guy already has it.

Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will matter with ineffective coaching. I try not to pile on, however, I just don't think we have a very good coach or coaching staff.
RE: I actually think  
Stan in LA : 12/1/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14696266 Sy'56 said:
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team


Correct. Every time I see Jeudy he's dropping a pass.
RE: RE: I actually think  
Sy'56 : 12/1/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14696384 Ron Hussler said:
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he is the 3rd best WR on that team




SY, just curious, where do you have him in your top 5 rankings? I find this very hard to comprehend


I have Jeudy #3 WR in this class right now.

Waddle is better than him - but he isn't in the draft class.
RE: Jeudy is great. He reminds me of OBJ without the attitude issues  
BestFeature : 12/1/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14696138 Anakim said:
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But yeah, I don't know if I would spend a top-5 pick on him


The problem is that as far as I know OBJ was OBJ without the attitude issues in the college.
RE: RE: RE: I watched the Ohio St - Mich game on and off but didn't see  
bw in dc : 12/1/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14696472 Jimmy Googs said:
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No but it should also be taken into account. These are the competition games that matter since its the quality of players and coaches you will be facing at the next level.

Not trashing on him just tempering BBI enthusiasm for the next greatest thing since sliced bread...


I get it, believe me. The majority of BBI really don't really watch college football and rely on highlights courtesy of ESPN, Youtube, etc.

But I think Young is a great talent having a great year. He had 4 sacks against Wisconsin and 3 against PSU. That's quite impressive...no?
RE: RE: Jeudy  
giantstock : 12/1/2019 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14696485 Ron Hussler said:
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In comment 14696468 Csonka said:


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Strange time to lobby for Jeudy after a 5-26 game.

He's piled up stats in blowout wins of 40 points plus. Jeudy's the #1 but his own teammate Devonta Smith puts up better stats every game. I'm not using a top 10 pick on him despite our need for a #1 WR. Look again in round 2.




You make a really valid point Csonka, I will explain.

It just irks me that we don't have a guy that is capable of beating defenders and catch the ball on a consistent basis, we just don't have this..I've been watching Jeudy for a couple of years now, IMO hes by far the best thing on Bama and the best WR in college. He had an off-day, however, we need a Wr BAD

Anyone who has watched the Giants this year can tell you that the O-Line sucks, it needs to be upgraded. Don't see why we can't do this with a high second round pick, get someone in F/A, Hernandez is a solid up and coming player.

With a couple of moves, the line can be changed significantly for the better.

Things like speed, hands, can't be taught..Route running is difficult to teach, this guy already has it.

Unfortunately, I don't think any of this will matter with ineffective coaching. I try not to pile on, however, I just don't think we have a very good coach or coaching staff.


If you use the 3rd pick on JJ, and you use big bucks to get a Tackle in FA and you use a 2nd rd pick on a center, what does that lead you to to get defense? I know we have a lot of money in cap space but you knwo many teams are also looking to improve and they will overpay a "Solder" to get what they need too.

I know you said we need a WR bad. I agree. But we also need two OL bad. We need a pass rusher bad. We need an ILB bad. We need a Safety bad. I have no problem getting a Wr just not with the 3rd pick because I think the trenches overall with the Giants (Linebackers are part of the trenches) needs to be a very high priority. OFC not all - but I would think a 3rd pick we'd can do better than a WR unless JJ is a lock to be a superstar. WHich he isn't.
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