Even though he didn't do too much today, gotta say he's one of the more impressive receivers I feel has come out in years.
As bad as we need O-Lone help, some kind of defense, etc.. I'm all for drafting BPA.. IMO, the edge from Ohio State doesn't fall to us, there isn't a Left Tackle in this draft that's worth a top 5 pick. JJ would definitely be a nice consolation pick for sure
Looking at his body of work, I don't think I've ever seen anyone run routes like this guy!! His speed is out of this world, hands are really good. On the downside, he is a little slight of frame.
If we're drafting top 5 and Chase Young doesn't make it to us, I wouldn't complain about this pick at all, then get the best LT in the 2nd round. Sterling Shepard is not a #1 wide receiver, Jeudy will keep defenses honest
However, if we want to compete next year, we have to improve our defense and our OL. The only way tricking this WR could possibly work is if we were to pick up a starting tackle and EDGE guy in free agency. Unfortunately we usually pick up players who don’t deliver for too much money. So I’m not feeling lucky here.
Can you imagine the reaction here if we get a WR and don’t pick up a Big Molly first?
We should take either the best OL, edge rusher, or trade down.
My feeling anyway.
Jeudy is shiftier and gets to speed very fast and can pull off multiple cuts. He’s definitely reminiscent of Odell Beckham
Chase young looked pedestrian today against some real OL personnel He still is top talent but really think if someone comes calling depending on where we end up in the draft to trade up...need to do it
we need to many players in Rd 1 and Rd 2 that have a higher probabliity on helping the team . RT, C, LB and Edge to just start.
Agree we need a WR that can separate and make plays as a big target but draft is deeper in WR this year
I'm all for drafting LT, however, the best ones are mid tier at best, not top 5 picks
If Chase Young is there, sure you take him, however, he wont be. Get the best Playmaker
Yup, I really have to do a double take when people post shit like, he wasn’t hustling today. What a load of crap! Harbaugh is a smart coach, and he made sure they got multiple bodies on Young, especially when he lined up on the left side.
The flip side of that, Jon Runyon has a pretty good game despite the loss.
Jerry Porter? :)
Route Running and Hands, no comparison on either of those points..Just my opinion
How has drafting skill people with high draft picks when you have a horrible OL worked?
So we've got no ground attack. Our QB is getting beat up. We don't have much of a pass rush and overall our LB's stink so our answer is to draft a WR with the overall 3rd pick?
So what that we stink in the trenches. Got to take BPA regardless of logic that our trenches stink. - Sure kep taking rbs, TE's and wr's and CB's in rd 1 regardless of continually getting whipped in the trenches. yeah that makes sense.
How has drafting skill people with high draft picks when you have a horrible OL worked?
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With that said, I am very much in favor of signing FA along the OL. I know it hasn't worked for us lately but that is where my FA money would go if we do spend. I'm not saying I wouldn't draft an OL early at all. If the right guy is there then get it done. All I am saying is we need to be better with identifying OL talent in FA and get a quality coaching staff in here. Imo, I want what Seattle did. Get run blocking OL. Take the pressure off of Jones. Give Barkley help. This will indirectly help Jones in the passing game. We need to slow down the pass rush and bring more defenders into the box to help out our passing game. We need to commit to the run game more. We need to use Gallman more. That'll also indirectly help out our D as well.
That being said to me, Chase Young is in a class of his own and if not him there are some very very good OT prospects and it's become so rediculously hard to find good tackles, let alone potential elite ones.
I'm not one for weighing "positional value" ON the field (except for QB obviously), but given how hard quality tackles are to come by right now it's hard to pass on an opportunity to get an Andrew Thomas or perhaps even Wirfs.
How has drafting skill people with high draft picks when you have a horrible OL worked?
How has drafting Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley and Justin Pugh over Nuk Hopkins and Xavier Rhodes worked out?
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I don’t remember the last time the Giants had a decent OL much less a good one. During these years, in no particular order, the Giants drafted Barkley, Beckham, Engram, Shepard, David Wilson - have I missed anybody?
How has drafting skill people with high draft picks when you have a horrible OL worked?
How has drafting Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley and Justin Pugh over Nuk Hopkins and Xavier Rhodes worked out?
Good point!!!!
Jerry Jeudy is special, can't teach that type of control/hands/etc
Jerry Jeudy is special, can't teach that type of control/hands/etc
They can also bust.
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I don’t remember the last time the Giants had a decent OL much less a good one. During these years, in no particular order, the Giants drafted Barkley, Beckham, Engram, Shepard, David Wilson - have I missed anybody?
How has drafting skill people with high draft picks when you have a horrible OL worked?
How has drafting Ereck Flowers over Todd Gurley and Justin Pugh over Nuk Hopkins and Xavier Rhodes worked out?
Oof, gg.
Been getting tired of that argument, and I want the oline fixed as bad as anybody.
Also for the record.. I will be thrilled if we can get any of those bama WRs at some point in the draft.
I'd really love Devonta Smith with our 2nd rounder.
With that said, I am very much in favor of signing FA along the OL. I know it hasn't worked for us lately but that is where my FA money would go if we do spend. I'm not saying I wouldn't draft an OL early at all. If the right guy is there then get it done. All I am saying is we need to be better with identifying OL talent in FA and get a quality coaching staff in here. Imo, I want what Seattle did. Get run blocking OL. Take the pressure off of Jones. Give Barkley help. This will indirectly help Jones in the passing game. We need to slow down the pass rush and bring more defenders into the box to help out our passing game. We need to commit to the run game more. We need to use Gallman more. That'll also indirectly help out our D as well.
OFc I agree with a lot that you're saying except you are giving excuses for lousy draft picks. Just because they have failed before doesn't mean we should assume they will continually fail. You have a competent scouting -- you should be able to get the player. During the Reese era -- wasn't he incompetent?
If he wasn't then why did DG have to blow everything up and now we hear how the team was so devoid of talent? It would have meant Reese was incompetent, correct? So you can't use the past history of his lousy OL picks.
Can't have it both ways here. The Gmen got a GM that is supposed to be damn good at scouting. The game hasn't changed as you suggest. Good scouting should be able to find competent OLinemen.
I left out the two most recent drafts because it’s still too early, but that’s a list of the receivers taken in the first round since we grabbed Odell in round 1 in 2014. There is one guy on that list that has lived up to his draft slot, Amari Cooper, and he didn’t live up to expectations until moving on from the team that drafted him. Even in 2014 which has Mike Evans and Odell as good first round receiver picks, the guy everyone was drooling over as a cant miss and Buffalo traded up for, Sammy Watkins, is a bust now on his third team.
You’re much better off waiting for round 2 or 3 where you can get a Michael
Thomas, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Tyler Lockett, etc.
I like to keep an open mind deep into the process until we get as much info as possible as amateur draft enthusiasts.
As for Jeudy I'm already over analyzing him as he gets so much exposure because he's so damn good. I could wish he had better size for one. But any legit criticism of him is a waste of time. He's got what you want in any prospect ie elite production and football instincts with both a high ceiling and floor.
Sure. By all means. Let's pass on Jerry Rice for the next Ereck Flowers, Vernon Gholston or Mark Barron. Fuck BPA.
Guy I have to take this more seriously.
OL. DE. LB. Anything but a WR in the top 10.
If Jeudy is the best player on the board so be it.
If Jeudy is the best player on the board so be it.
Nope.
It had to do with an incompetent GM.
Find the right players for the positions you need. If need be-- trade down to get the positions you need which eventually would be "BPA" which is extremely subjective anyways. . . As another poster pointed out look at all wr failures. Many were probably BPA.
Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?
People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
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anyone ever learn?
Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?
People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
So now he's a superstar? What next- he's Jerry Rice or better because you said so?
Didn't e hear the story of how Barkley was going to change the offense?
How great was the Giants offense with OBJ and SB?
You can guarantee JJ is a superstar?
I like Smith with our second rd pick
what's even more unbelievable is that there are a lot of posters here who think that it was a great idea.
If young is off the board and these lineman aren’t can’t miss prospects we need to trade down. Can’t take a wr at the top of the draft without any lineman. Anyone remember that guy number 13 who we took and didn’t have lineman. That really worked out well for us 5 years later.
It’s young or a blue chip tackle or a trade down if we can find some partners. Remember when Atlanta traded up for Julio. Something similar could happen here. A team that feels they are one playmaker away may trade to grab juedy. Funny thing is to me is that waffle and ruggs look to be similar in talent and can be had later in round 1 or round 2.
Everyone should keep an eye on laviska shenault from Colorado. Swiss army talent. 6 foot 2 220 lbs. monster.
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anyone ever learn?
Learn what? That a game changing wide receiver completely changes the way a defense schemes, which in turns effects a offensive teams ability to; run the ball, spread the defense out, different sets, etc?
People can give all the examples they want of superstar wide receivers not winning superbowls or going deep into the play-offs, still can't argue the fact that they change the way a defense plans for them.. Which in turn can open many other things up
Seriously? This team, and the offense, sucked equally as bad with and without Odell Beckham. We had arguably the best WR in the league and won jack shit while he was on the team. If you’re going to say that if we could have a redo and take Aaron Donald or Zach Martin over him than you’re just full of crap.
Wide receiver is the worst possible investment of a first round pick outside of a punter or kicker.