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David Diehl this morning on PS

Zeke's Alibi : 12/1/2019 9:16 am
Hammering him right now about not letting DJ be a QB and not helping him. After rewatching the Patriots game, I'm thinking we needed to be running a lot more motion to help out our rookie QB. David Diehl saying this is still a problem week 13. Also killing him on not running more RPO and more telling, he isn't giving him carte blanch to audible out of plays and our run game is struggling for it.
Shurmur is toast..  
Sean : 12/1/2019 9:17 am : link
I can’t believe some on BBI think he will be retained. The state media is now starting to hammer him.
Shurmur's  
mittenedman : 12/1/2019 9:19 am : link
a colossal idiot who, along with McAdoo, has gone a long way towards ruining Giants football for me.

PS has no idea how to stick with the run. If he doesn't get huge gains early he just abandons it altogether. I despise him in a football sense, I really do.
RE: Shurmur is toast..  
EricJ : 12/1/2019 9:19 am : link
In comment 14696309 Sean said:
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I can’t believe some on BBI think he will be retained.


I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back
RE: Shurmur is toast..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/1/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14696309 Sean said:
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I can’t believe some on BBI think he will be retained. The state media is now starting to hammer him.


Yeah, I think the writing is on the wall @ this point.
And P.S.  
mittenedman : 12/1/2019 9:21 am : link
Enough with these finesse WCO Bill Walsh wannabes around here. Can we get someone who understands TOUGH football please? DG is old school and wants to pound the ball. Why is Shurmur here again?
RE: Shurmur is toast..  
Fort Mill Mike : 12/1/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14696309 Sean said:
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I can’t believe some on BBI think he will be retained. The state media is now starting to hammer him.


Other than some really remarkable run to end the season that includes a sweep of the Eagles, can't see how the brain trust brings him back. It all just looks and feels so dismal. Even in Jim Fassel's final season, the team played hard. The defense kept them in most of those last 5-6 games, including the finale against the Super Bowl-bound Panthers.
The whole audible thing is killing me...  
nzyme : 12/1/2019 9:24 am : link
How could he not have an open playbook to audible in and out of specific plays depending on coverage and fronts?

Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.
I'm certainly not as smart as Diehl but I have been thinking the  
Blue21 : 12/1/2019 9:25 am : link
same thing. Where are all these RPO's we heard were his strengths. Seems to me we're not playing to his strengths. A Keeper now and then to keep the D honest. Certainly don't want to run it all the time because you want to avoid injuries but it should be in the playbook. Roll outs too. They are too far and in between. Defenses are pinning there ears back on him with this Oline.
Rhule will fit in well here being a hometown guy from NYC who  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2019 9:25 am : link
understands what Northeast football is all about. Murmur is an effin' patsie. This guy is toast now. The writing is clearly on the wall. Wait until after the game to hear what Banks and Papa have to say.
He's got a shit pass blocking OLine  
mittenedman : 12/1/2019 9:26 am : link
and a rookie QB and his answer is to come out in shotgun every week throwing the ball.

I really can't stand him.
Eric, I don’t agree with this take  
Sean : 12/1/2019 9:26 am : link
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I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back


Mara has actually been pretty quick to get rid of coaches. Although it was his father, Fassel got fired a year removed from 10-6 after his first really bad season.

Coughlin was a 2x SB winning coach who got fired after 3 sub .500 seasons - a lot on here still disagree with the move.

McAdoo didn’t even last 2 seasons.

We go through a lot of coaches. This isn’t the Bengals.
RE: Eric, I don’t agree with this take  
BlueVinnie : 12/1/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14696332 Sean said:
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I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back



Mara has actually been pretty quick to get rid of coaches. Although it was his father, Fassel got fired a year removed from 10-6 after his first really bad season.

Coughlin was a 2x SB winning coach who got fired after 3 sub .500 seasons - a lot on here still disagree with the move.

McAdoo didn’t even last 2 seasons.

We go through a lot of coaches. This isn’t the Bengals.


I disagree. I think the only reason McAdoo got the axe was because of the Eli thing.
RE: RE: Eric, I don’t agree with this take  
robbieballs2003 : 12/1/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14696337 BlueVinnie said:
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I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back



Mara has actually been pretty quick to get rid of coaches. Although it was his father, Fassel got fired a year removed from 10-6 after his first really bad season.

Coughlin was a 2x SB winning coach who got fired after 3 sub .500 seasons - a lot on here still disagree with the move.

McAdoo didn’t even last 2 seasons.

We go through a lot of coaches. This isn’t the Bengals.



I disagree. I think the only reason McAdoo got the axe was because of the Eli thing.


Eh, it was way more than that. The whole team was revolting.
RE: The whole audible thing is killing me...  
Diver_Down : 12/1/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14696324 nzyme said:
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How could he not have an open playbook to audible in and out of specific plays depending on coverage and fronts?

Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.


Did you catch my reply to the Weds. Media Tweet thread where the question on audible was brought up? You might want to revisit that thread, if you hadn't already. DJ was on the Giants Huddle podcast and spoke about checking out of plays.
When the company totes, Banks and Papa  
micky : 12/1/2019 10:05 am : link
Are given the go to Hammer shumur, it may be ova for Droopy
RE: And P.S.  
Mike in Boston : 12/1/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14696317 mittenedman said:
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Enough with these finesse WCO Bill Walsh wannabes around here. Can we get someone who understands TOUGH football please? DG is old school and wants to pound the ball. Why is Shurmur here again?


Because DG values deportment and decorum above talent. Apparantly as much for the coach as for the players. He said himself he felt on interviewing him that PS was a mature professional.
Shurmor is a system coach dope  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/1/2019 10:47 am : link
Can't think outside the box or adjust. Run DJ8 more to keep the D honest and off balance, including a steady diet of rollouts.

Of course he ran for big yardage play last game, and immediately after a long SB run and long pass.
Mike  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 10:48 am : link
We don't know who values what when it comes to head coach choices. He may very well have been doing his job as indicated.

Also, we need to be forgiving and loving towards the Mara's and Rushes.

It may well be that they have recently decided to ditch the wet noodle WCO and we may be excited regarding what may come next. We just don't know.

Message is; our acrimony is mainly in fun, as it's (sports fandom)for us just a way of killing time and avoiding the stress and pain of real life down here in the trenches .
Typo tishes  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 10:49 am : link
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RE: He's got a shit pass blocking OLine  
BillT : 12/1/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14696330 mittenedman said:
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and a rookie QB and his answer is to come out in shotgun every week throwing the ball.

I really can't stand him.

And he's got a shit run blocking OLine as well. Maybe worse and certainly no better than it's pass blocking.
RE: Rhule will fit in well here being a hometown guy from NYC who  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 12/1/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14696329 Optimus-NY said:
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understands what Northeast football is all about. Murmur is an effin' patsie. This guy is toast now. The writing is clearly on the wall. Wait until after the game to hear what Banks and Papa have to say.


Rhule is from Western PA.
I'm starting to think along the lines of  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 11:04 am : link
What Opto just said.

DG stays, we get a high draft position, we get a new system that's more smash face such as we like.

Probably not by design because the Mara's are probably very nice people, but . .. just as it goes down , Shurm will be the fall guy in the ending of the failed WCO experiment at Giants.

Shurm goes on to a very nice career as an OC or WR coach or offensive quality specialist in the pass game in someone else's wco .

Betch gets to stay if he's willing to work with the new d centric HC defensive concept and the lbs and DBs coaches are on notice .
We need to remember  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 11:09 am : link
Owners are just as human as we are, just as likely to take credit when really it was someone else's ideas when they work ....and just as likely to avoid blame when they don't .

It's a crapshoot for many humans.

They could sell to Saudis or someone then where would we be?

Let's be gracious as we guide them back to success.
RE: RE: Rhule will fit in well here being a hometown guy from NYC who  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14696409 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14696329 Optimus-NY said:


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understands what Northeast football is all about. Murmur is an effin' patsie. This guy is toast now. The writing is clearly on the wall. Wait until after the game to hear what Banks and Papa have to say.



Rhule is from Western PA.


He moved there as a teenager - so as long as he's doing well, he's referred to as a native NYer. Once he slips he's getting shipped back to PA.
RE: RE: RE: Eric, I don’t agree with this take  
Don Draper : 12/1/2019 11:21 am : link
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Eh, it was way more than that. The whole team was revolting.


Sir, the peasants are revolting!
You said it. They stink on ice.
This isn’t to defend Shurmur, but some of these tales are comical  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/1/2019 11:46 am : link
The majority of the NFL plays out of Shot Gun more often then not. Going under center isn’t all that common anymore.

The “we need to be more smash mouth crowd” as much as you guys live in fairy tale land where the defenses aren’t significantly hindered by the emphasis on pass interference and the introduction to the RPO o the pro level, defense is a nice to have now adays. It’s not what wins on the modern NFL. A high powered offense does.
RE: RE: The whole audible thing is killing me...  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/1/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14696348 Diver_Down said:
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How could he not have an open playbook to audible in and out of specific plays depending on coverage and fronts?

Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.



Did you catch my reply to the Weds. Media Tweet thread where the question on audible was brought up? You might want to revisit that thread, if you hadn't already. DJ was on the Giants Huddle podcast and spoke about checking out of plays.


Just because he is checking out of plays doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do so. We are running into sets we have no business running into fronts we have no business running into.
RE: This isn’t to defend Shurmur, but some of these tales are comical  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/1/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14696456 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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The majority of the NFL plays out of Shot Gun more often then not. Going under center isn’t all that common anymore.

The “we need to be more smash mouth crowd” as much as you guys live in fairy tale land where the defenses aren’t significantly hindered by the emphasis on pass interference and the introduction to the RPO o the pro level, defense is a nice to have now adays. It’s not what wins on the modern NFL. A high powered offense does.


These guys all crack me up. It's like they haven't watch football in the last 5-10 years. Nobody lines up under I and it is only a singnifcant part of teams offenses that have tremendous Oline. If we came out in I we would be 3 and out every time, minus a big play by Barkley from time to time.
RE: We need to remember  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/1/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14696421 idiotsavant said:
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Owners are just as human as we are, just as likely to take credit when really it was someone else's ideas when they work ....and just as likely to avoid blame when they don't .

It's a crapshoot for many humans.

They could sell to Saudis or someone then where would we be?

Let's be gracious as we guide them back to success.

Luck is the residue of design.
Oh. Ok. Hahaha  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 11:50 am : link
Keep on with your wet noodle WCO then.

Let running teams like the 9ers make faulty "smashmouth presumptions ' hahahahahahaha. How's that w/l coming along?
Haha to shore  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 11:51 am : link
Yes. Red, exactly .
Luck is the residue of design is a great  
idiotsavant : 12/1/2019 11:53 am : link
Quote for football .

In life as well, but in life there can be an ironic twist to that saying, depending on whom one associates with.
RE: RE: RE: The whole audible thing is killing me...  
Diver_Down : 12/1/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14696459 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14696324 nzyme said:


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How could he not have an open playbook to audible in and out of specific plays depending on coverage and fronts?

Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.



Did you catch my reply to the Weds. Media Tweet thread where the question on audible was brought up? You might want to revisit that thread, if you hadn't already. DJ was on the Giants Huddle podcast and spoke about checking out of plays.



Just because he is checking out of plays doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do so. We are running into sets we have no business running into fronts we have no business running into.


The thread below is for context. I didn't think he had the authority to audible. Hence the example where DJ is blown up. But in the Giants Huddle podcast, DJ said he has the ability to check out of a play based on key indicators. Which to me tells me that he doesn't have full authority only if specific keys are shown. Also, the play in question was at the beginning of the game where the first series is scripted. He may only have the ability to check out of plays that are not part of the original scripted game plan.
To Audible or Not - ( New Window )
Up until yesterday I had Shurmur and the staff back for a 3rd year  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 12:18 pm : link
But than I actually used my brain and realized that the man is a loser everywhere as HC; and, the fans are done with him meaning if he were retained we could have empty seats game 1 even!

We must make a good HC Choice and hope that our young players learn and develop quickly.
RE: Oh. Ok. Hahaha  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/1/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14696463 idiotsavant said:
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Keep on with your wet noodle WCO then.

Let running teams like the 9ers make faulty "smashmouth presumptions ' hahahahahahaha. How's that w/l coming along?


#1 rushing team in the League is Baltimore. They run a shotgun 95% of the time. They also are the number 1 offense in the league.

Going out of shotgun isn’t WCO. It’s just a formation and really it’s more spread offense vs. traditional offenses in the NFL now.

RE: This isn’t to defend Shurmur, but some of these tales are comical  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14696456 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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The majority of the NFL plays out of Shot Gun more often then not. Going under center isn’t all that common anymore.

The “we need to be more smash mouth crowd” as much as you guys live in fairy tale land where the defenses aren’t significantly hindered by the emphasis on pass interference and the introduction to the RPO o the pro level, defense is a nice to have now adays. It’s not what wins on the modern NFL. A high powered offense does.


You're not getting through to those people. They haven't been paying attention, not to the spread offenses in college and what it has done to offensive lines, not to the rule changes which started with Bill Polian almost 20 years ago and just get worse and worse by the year.

Those folks want to party like it's 1989. And sadly, it's not.
RE: RE: Rhule will fit in well here being a hometown guy from NYC who  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14696409 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14696329 Optimus-NY said:


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understands what Northeast football is all about. Murmur is an effin' patsie. This guy is toast now. The writing is clearly on the wall. Wait until after the game to hear what Banks and Papa have to say.



Rhule is from Western PA.


His family moved there from NYC. Look it up mongo.
Thanks Diver Good catch, he Def doesn't.  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/1/2019 1:05 pm : link
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PS  
Tim in JTown : 12/1/2019 1:10 pm : link
He's not a coach. He's not a teacher. No one is improving under this guy. This team keeps getting worse each week. Has anyone ever seen this guy coach-up a player on the sideline?

PS has a plan but has no idea how to use the resources he has to their potential. He would run the same plan with whatever players you have on the team. I might say the same for Bettcher. Bettcher needs his old Cards players in order to be successful. He's not building anything unique here that is based on the experience and abilities of his players.

It's just crappy, unimaginative coaching for years from this team.
Murmur is a born loser  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/1/2019 3:32 pm : link
Team is constantly unprepared
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