Hammering him right now about not letting DJ be a QB and not helping him. After rewatching the Patriots game, I'm thinking we needed to be running a lot more motion to help out our rookie QB. David Diehl saying this is still a problem week 13. Also killing him on not running more RPO and more telling, he isn't giving him carte blanch to audible out of plays and our run game is struggling for it.
PS has no idea how to stick with the run. If he doesn't get huge gains early he just abandons it altogether. I despise him in a football sense, I really do.
I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back
Yeah, I think the writing is on the wall @ this point.
Other than some really remarkable run to end the season that includes a sweep of the Eagles, can't see how the brain trust brings him back. It all just looks and feels so dismal. Even in Jim Fassel's final season, the team played hard. The defense kept them in most of those last 5-6 games, including the finale against the Super Bowl-bound Panthers.
Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.
I really can't stand him.
Mara has actually been pretty quick to get rid of coaches. Although it was his father, Fassel got fired a year removed from 10-6 after his first really bad season.
Coughlin was a 2x SB winning coach who got fired after 3 sub .500 seasons - a lot on here still disagree with the move.
McAdoo didn’t even last 2 seasons.
We go through a lot of coaches. This isn’t the Bengals.
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I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back
Mara has actually been pretty quick to get rid of coaches. Although it was his father, Fassel got fired a year removed from 10-6 after his first really bad season.
Coughlin was a 2x SB winning coach who got fired after 3 sub .500 seasons - a lot on here still disagree with the move.
McAdoo didn’t even last 2 seasons.
We go through a lot of coaches. This isn’t the Bengals.
I disagree. I think the only reason McAdoo got the axe was because of the Eli thing.
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I hope you realize that people here only say that because Mara is slow to pull the trigger on things like this. NOT because anyone here believes Shurmur SHOULD be back
Mara has actually been pretty quick to get rid of coaches. Although it was his father, Fassel got fired a year removed from 10-6 after his first really bad season.
Coughlin was a 2x SB winning coach who got fired after 3 sub .500 seasons - a lot on here still disagree with the move.
McAdoo didn’t even last 2 seasons.
We go through a lot of coaches. This isn’t the Bengals.
I disagree. I think the only reason McAdoo got the axe was because of the Eli thing.
Eh, it was way more than that. The whole team was revolting.
Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.
Did you catch my reply to the Weds. Media Tweet thread where the question on audible was brought up? You might want to revisit that thread, if you hadn't already. DJ was on the Giants Huddle podcast and spoke about checking out of plays.
Because DG values deportment and decorum above talent. Apparantly as much for the coach as for the players. He said himself he felt on interviewing him that PS was a mature professional.
Of course he ran for big yardage play last game, and immediately after a long SB run and long pass.
Also, we need to be forgiving and loving towards the Mara's and Rushes.
It may well be that they have recently decided to ditch the wet noodle WCO and we may be excited regarding what may come next. We just don't know.
Message is; our acrimony is mainly in fun, as it's (sports fandom)for us just a way of killing time and avoiding the stress and pain of real life down here in the trenches .
I really can't stand him.
And he's got a shit run blocking OLine as well. Maybe worse and certainly no better than it's pass blocking.
Rhule is from Western PA.
DG stays, we get a high draft position, we get a new system that's more smash face such as we like.
Probably not by design because the Mara's are probably very nice people, but . .. just as it goes down , Shurm will be the fall guy in the ending of the failed WCO experiment at Giants.
Shurm goes on to a very nice career as an OC or WR coach or offensive quality specialist in the pass game in someone else's wco .
Betch gets to stay if he's willing to work with the new d centric HC defensive concept and the lbs and DBs coaches are on notice .
It's a crapshoot for many humans.
They could sell to Saudis or someone then where would we be?
Let's be gracious as we guide them back to success.
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understands what Northeast football is all about. Murmur is an effin' patsie. This guy is toast now. The writing is clearly on the wall. Wait until after the game to hear what Banks and Papa have to say.
Rhule is from Western PA.
He moved there as a teenager - so as long as he's doing well, he's referred to as a native NYer. Once he slips he's getting shipped back to PA.
Sir, the peasants are revolting!
You said it. They stink on ice.
The “we need to be more smash mouth crowd” as much as you guys live in fairy tale land where the defenses aren’t significantly hindered by the emphasis on pass interference and the introduction to the RPO o the pro level, defense is a nice to have now adays. It’s not what wins on the modern NFL. A high powered offense does.
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How could he not have an open playbook to audible in and out of specific plays depending on coverage and fronts?
Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.
Did you catch my reply to the Weds. Media Tweet thread where the question on audible was brought up? You might want to revisit that thread, if you hadn't already. DJ was on the Giants Huddle podcast and spoke about checking out of plays.
Just because he is checking out of plays doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do so. We are running into sets we have no business running into fronts we have no business running into.
The “we need to be more smash mouth crowd” as much as you guys live in fairy tale land where the defenses aren’t significantly hindered by the emphasis on pass interference and the introduction to the RPO o the pro level, defense is a nice to have now adays. It’s not what wins on the modern NFL. A high powered offense does.
These guys all crack me up. It's like they haven't watch football in the last 5-10 years. Nobody lines up under I and it is only a singnifcant part of teams offenses that have tremendous Oline. If we came out in I we would be 3 and out every time, minus a big play by Barkley from time to time.
It's a crapshoot for many humans.
They could sell to Saudis or someone then where would we be?
Let's be gracious as we guide them back to success.
Luck is the residue of design.
Let running teams like the 9ers make faulty "smashmouth presumptions ' hahahahahahaha. How's that w/l coming along?
In life as well, but in life there can be an ironic twist to that saying, depending on whom one associates with.
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How could he not have an open playbook to audible in and out of specific plays depending on coverage and fronts?
Say what you want about Gilbride. His offense was super complicated but Eli could audible, what seemed like, any play he wanted.
Did you catch my reply to the Weds. Media Tweet thread where the question on audible was brought up? You might want to revisit that thread, if you hadn't already. DJ was on the Giants Huddle podcast and spoke about checking out of plays.
Just because he is checking out of plays doesn't mean he has carte blanche to do so. We are running into sets we have no business running into fronts we have no business running into.
The thread below is for context. I didn't think he had the authority to audible. Hence the example where DJ is blown up. But in the Giants Huddle podcast, DJ said he has the ability to check out of a play based on key indicators. Which to me tells me that he doesn't have full authority only if specific keys are shown. Also, the play in question was at the beginning of the game where the first series is scripted. He may only have the ability to check out of plays that are not part of the original scripted game plan.
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We must make a good HC Choice and hope that our young players learn and develop quickly.
Let running teams like the 9ers make faulty "smashmouth presumptions ' hahahahahahaha. How's that w/l coming along?
#1 rushing team in the League is Baltimore. They run a shotgun 95% of the time. They also are the number 1 offense in the league.
Going out of shotgun isn’t WCO. It’s just a formation and really it’s more spread offense vs. traditional offenses in the NFL now.
The “we need to be more smash mouth crowd” as much as you guys live in fairy tale land where the defenses aren’t significantly hindered by the emphasis on pass interference and the introduction to the RPO o the pro level, defense is a nice to have now adays. It’s not what wins on the modern NFL. A high powered offense does.
You're not getting through to those people. They haven't been paying attention, not to the spread offenses in college and what it has done to offensive lines, not to the rule changes which started with Bill Polian almost 20 years ago and just get worse and worse by the year.
Those folks want to party like it's 1989. And sadly, it's not.
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understands what Northeast football is all about. Murmur is an effin' patsie. This guy is toast now. The writing is clearly on the wall. Wait until after the game to hear what Banks and Papa have to say.
Rhule is from Western PA.
His family moved there from NYC. Look it up mongo.
PS has a plan but has no idea how to use the resources he has to their potential. He would run the same plan with whatever players you have on the team. I might say the same for Bettcher. Bettcher needs his old Cards players in order to be successful. He's not building anything unique here that is based on the experience and abilities of his players.
It's just crappy, unimaginative coaching for years from this team.