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Wins or draft position?

Dave on the UWS : 12/1/2019 11:06 am
Woke up this morning with this on my mind. We are all hoping for Chase Young in the draft (seems obvious), but that would mean losing out and finishing at 2-14. At some point, this franchise HAS to start winning some damn games! There is such a losing mentality around them (and here) it’s like having a rotten fish strapped to your hip. Even with the worst coach (Hue Jackson excepted), it’s possible to win some games. For a guy like Young to have the most impact, the organization has to start heading in the right direction. Right now, all there is is losing, dysfunction and negativity.
They hired Shurmur because he was an adult, to change the culture. Well, no he’s not and he’s a big part of the problem now.
Which side of the fence is BBI on? Wins or draft position?
what do wins gets us?  
mphbullet36 : 12/1/2019 11:12 am : link
we keep DG, Shurmur, and miss out on a chance at a generational talent.'

what does a couple meaningless games gets us...

probably everyone stays and we are picking out of a range of a generational talent.

Draft positioning is the only logical answer to make the changes this team needs.
I'd rather have the draft position.  
fivehead : 12/1/2019 11:14 am : link
Screw the Giants this year.
Draft  
Steve in ATL : 12/1/2019 11:17 am : link
all in for Chase. If Chase is gone get a boadload of choices in a trade down to a team desparate for a QB.
Frame of mind  
giant power : 12/1/2019 11:17 am : link
It's all how you look at it. Too many in here are obsessed with our level of suck. Does it really matter whether we have two wins or four, will you really feel that much better about your team? I look at it one way and one way only. I understand where the team is right now and the reasons for it. It was a long, long time in the making, one suck-ass draft after another. If I have to suffer through a football season like this, might as well get something very useful out of it. Give me two wins and a shot a Chase Young any day.
Draft position.  
yatqb : 12/1/2019 11:20 am : link
.
I don’t them to get humiliated at home.  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/1/2019 11:21 am : link
The paying customers have sat through enough of that. But I don’t particularly want meaningless wins either.
Competitive losses works fine for me  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 11:24 am : link
Runner up, non-competitive losses. Wins do this team nothing at this point.
The Giants don’t trade down  
Dave on the UWS : 12/1/2019 11:24 am : link
so stop with the “boatload of picks” nonsense. That’s fan speak. We had draft position the last two years, got Barkley and Jones. Has anything really changed. The losing air still permeates the Meadowlands.
LT made a difference because Ray Perkins has started to turn things. We’re still stuck in the mud.
At some point  
lecky : 12/1/2019 11:27 am : link
a team needs to learn how to win. Not sure Chase Young or anyone changes a thing on this team the way it is now. This team seems to find a million ways to lose. Lets start winning games and get that feeling and maybe next year come into the season with a bit of a positive attitude. Still going to get a great draft pick and hopefully a new coach.
Draft position and a new head coach/front office  
Oscar : 12/1/2019 11:29 am : link
Don’t feel at all conflicted about it. Go Pack Go!

2-14 would be perfect.
Just play  
jtfuoco : 12/1/2019 11:38 am : link
all of your young players try to protect SB as best you can and let the losing continue we don't need these wins when we bring in a new staff and a third of the roster will be turned over anyways they can bring in the attitude the team needs.
Mind you,  
Dave on the UWS : 12/1/2019 11:40 am : link
I fully expect them to lose out and finish 2-14. I’m discussing the merits here. What if Young is a bust (he looked pedestrian yesterday), a new coach will be starting literally from scratch. Does DG trash the roster again for him? This organization is a dumpster fire. At some point, you have to put the fire out.
I dont want most of these players back next year  
Thankyoueli : 12/1/2019 11:46 am : link
So I dont care if the losing takes toll on them when they're off to their next destination (which for many may be the couch).

2-14, Chase Young. Give it to me. The last few games have been almost perfect, Jones looks good and we lose a relatively competitive game. Only other thing I'd really like to see is Barkley look good.
I posed this exact question  
joeinpa : 12/1/2019 11:55 am : link
Earlier in a post I began.

I was told it was monorific, as I have no idea what that means, I tried unsuccessfully to find the meaning, I deleted my thread.

Wasn’t sure if being monorific was a ban-able offense or not. 😄

But to the point, I m rooting for my team today minus the disappointing of a loss should they lose, draft position is important
draft  
Hilary : 12/1/2019 12:02 pm : link
The draft is a crap shoot. If my memory is correct Leonard Williams and Quinnon Williams were both labeled the best player available in the draft and were thought to be excellent picks by the Jets.Barkley was touched by the hand of G"d is a good player but not necessarily much better than the backs I watched yesterday from OSU and Wisconsin.
I like to win.Chase Young would be great but a competent offensive tackle and a center just as good
Packer will win a close game  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 12:03 pm : link
Rodgers is the better QB and I believe healthier today. I think we finish no worse than 3-13 unless injuries mount and then it is possible we could finish 2-14 and no worse than the 3rd pick.

This is a "must win" game for the Packers to maintain the division; however, I don't think they are as good as their record indicates either.

If we do draft #3 we could trade down if there is a QB someone wants there. If we have the #2 pick its D. Young, DE, Ohio State for sure as QB Burrow goes #1.
.  
MOOPS : 12/1/2019 12:07 pm : link
Choke for Chase.
Surrender for Shurmur.
That's another reason to go 2-14  
Thankyoueli : 12/1/2019 12:14 pm : link
Leave absolutely no doubt in Maras mind that Shurmur needs to go.
I can't root for a loss  
liteamorn : 12/1/2019 12:16 pm : link
But I'd hate to lose Young
this is a shampoo topic  
fkap : 12/1/2019 12:19 pm : link
it's rinse and repeat nearly every day.

same topic. same answers.

lose, lose, lose
it gives you better draft position to have a better shot at acquiring better talent.
it shines the spotlight on the bad coaching/management, which makes it more likely changes will be made.

losing/winning mentality carryover is a myth. good talent and good coaching/management makes for a winning mentality. Last year doesn't matter if positive changes are made.
RE: I posed this exact question  
Jim in Tampa : 12/1/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14696467 joeinpa said:
Quote:
Earlier in a post I began.

I was told it was monorific, as I have no idea what that means, I tried unsuccessfully to find the meaning, I deleted my thread.

Wasn’t sure if being monorific was a ban-able offense or not. 😄

But to the point, I m rooting for my team today minus the disappointing of a loss should they lose, draft position is important

I wondered what happened to your thread.

Spent 10 minutes writing a lengthy answer only to see it deleted just as I was about to post it.

It was a legitimate question. You shouldn't have let others influence you like that.
What does going 5-11 rather than 2-14 do for anyone?  
Greg from LI : 12/1/2019 12:29 pm : link
Not a damned thing.
As per usual Greg  
Dave on the UWS : 12/1/2019 12:36 pm : link
you missed the point of the thread (sigh).
Wins...  
outeiroj : 12/1/2019 12:46 pm : link
Rooting for loses is a loser mentality. A real fan would want to see the giants win every game possible. Continue on next year and make the playoffs... meanwhile most of the people here want to lose, have the coach fired and start this same loser bullshit all over again. Giants fan base is becoming worse by the year.

FYI there was just as much outrage over Coughlin when he got here and look at how that turned out.

Not saying Gettleman or Shurmur are the answer. Just saying true fans will toot too win. Losers root for losses.
It’s not fair to say wins don’t get us anywhere  
djm : 12/1/2019 1:38 pm : link
If by some miracle the giants went 4-1 or even 5-0 down the stretch with jones playing well and the D getting traction we’d all be happier heading into 2020. Won’t happen, but to say wins don’t mean anything is unfair. Those useless wins helped the browns gain steam as an organization.

You can look at it both ways.
Haha  
Bradshaw's Decal : 12/1/2019 1:39 pm : link
Don't worry about wins... Won't happen...
DG is retained and a new HC is brought in  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 1:46 pm : link
As I watch the game today, and see the empty seats and GB cheers, I realize more and more that it is likely the entitre coaching staff is gutted and a new young coordinator & first time HC is brought in to light the fire.

I'd actually prefer one of our coordinators be promoted and only Shurmur get canned but that isn't how it generally goes is it?
Losing gets the HC fired  
twostepgiants : 12/1/2019 1:54 pm : link
And he has a losing mentality

That’s why it’s so important for the Giants to lose as many as possible this year.
And don’t we all remember how much last years “winning”  
twostepgiants : 12/1/2019 1:56 pm : link
Caused all that winning this year?

RE: And don’t we all remember how much last years “winning”  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14696896 twostepgiants said:
Quote:
Caused all that winning this year?
Exactly. Our late "winning" last year made me think we could be 9-7 or so with our fairly "easy" schedule and such. Ouch.
Losing out is a win-win  
Torrag : 12/1/2019 2:08 pm : link
Ousts Shurmur and improves Draft slot.
Draft position +  
5BowlsSoon : 12/1/2019 2:10 pm : link
Shurmur and his coaches all fired....(except ST coach)
Zone  
LeftHook : 12/1/2019 2:42 pm : link
middle wide open, unreal
I’m sitting here thinking  
superspynyg : 12/1/2019 3:26 pm : link
Chase Young is gonna look real good in blue shirt with white pants!

#loseforChase
Bengals are going to win and Miami may as well  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 3:54 pm : link
We have a really good shot at a top 3 pick. Really good.
Wins  
adamg : 12/1/2019 3:57 pm : link
We're never going to turn it around if we place all our hopes in the offseason. Things have to change now. They won't change until we start winning games. This draft shit is for losers.

Shurmur needs to go yesterday. And we need to see if Jones can be a winner or not.
I see no point in winning another game  
TJ : 12/1/2019 5:53 pm : link
One or two wins at this point will not change any attitudes or the direction this team is heading. We need the draft position. Thank God the deadline is past and the idiot gm can't trade away any more picks.
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