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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/1/2019 12:43 pm
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Empty stadium, out coached, blown out again,  
PhilSimms15 : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
I don’t see how Shurmur and Gettleman survive this. Not only are the Giants bad in all three phases, their rookie class has regressed, she there is no improvement anyway on the team.

As much as Mara hates it, he will be forced to clean house.
Giants are 4-17 in  
bluesince56 : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
last 22 games at home
RE: If we have a top 2 pick  
AndyMilligan : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14697498 Metnut said:
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We need to scout and consider the QBs. Two kids who look like franchise QBs up top.

I think we’ll pass and take Young, but last few games will be important for evaluating Jones. I think Jones is likely our long term QB, but we need to do our homework.


agree with this..
RE: Ouch!  
Bill L : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14697510 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21

Bold strategy for Shurmur to keep all of the development behind the scenes as his record drops to 7-21 in two seasons with the Giants. #longgame
What an ass
RE: If we have a top 2 pick  
Giantfan21 : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14697498 Metnut said:
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We need to scout and consider the QBs. Two kids who look like franchise QBs up top.

I think we’ll pass and take Young, but last few games will be important for evaluating Jones. I think Jones is likely our long term QB, but we need to do our homework.


Who is " we " ? you want gettleman making that decision ?
Lol DJ struggling  
prdave73 : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
But Shurmur does nothing to help him out??!? Wtf is wrong with Shurmur?? I’m done this guy needs to be fire tomorrow!!!
This isn't 2004  
Go Terps : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.
I'd rather have Norv Turner as my HC than Shurmy  
Anakim : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
.
Honestly feel like this is one of several games this year  
Bill L : 12/1/2019 3:47 pm : link
Where I feel like the game was closer than the final score.
Every single player has regressed under shurmur  
Giantfan21 : 12/1/2019 3:48 pm : link
thats just downright scary
Miami Fighting  
Ron Johnson : 12/1/2019 3:48 pm : link
Their guts out. Cincinnati beating up the Jets.

We’re the only team that doesn’t give a shit.
RE: JC...if I bother you that much  
JCin332 : 12/1/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14697503 Thunderstruck27 said:
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you must really know jack shit about football.


Nope it's just that you were one of the dimmest of the bulbs who said the QB was the culprit and not the OL and defense...

But now suddenly it's on the OL and defense...

Go figure...!!
You have Barkley,  
prdave73 : 12/1/2019 3:48 pm : link
But do nothing with him to help DJ....??!
Don’t forget fellows....  
5BowlsSoon : 12/1/2019 3:48 pm : link
We only have about 7 draft choices. I don’t think we can pick up a stud OL, LB, EDGE, Safety, WR, and QB. And don’t think we will pick up anybody good in FA. How often does that happen for us?
RE: This isn't 2004  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/1/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:
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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.


You mean the same way we did when we had a 2 time super bowl MVP veteran QB? interesting..
RE: This isn't 2004  
Anakim : 12/1/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:
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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.


And that's his fault? That his O-Line can't block their way out of a wet paper bag and not give him enough time to throw?

DJ is the least of our concerns
I'd  
AcidTest : 12/1/2019 3:49 pm : link
be surprised if we win another game this year. Miami and Washington are better than us right now. That would mean we'd finish the season with a 12 game losing streak. I assume that would be a franchise record.
Nice  
AcidTest : 12/1/2019 3:49 pm : link
stand by the defense.
RE: This isn't 2004  
crick n NC : 12/1/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:
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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.


Perhaps coaching impacts players a lot.
RE: RE: JC...if I bother you that much  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14697527 JCin332 said:
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In comment 14697503 Thunderstruck27 said:


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you must really know jack shit about football.



Nope it's just that you were one of the dimmest of the bulbs who said the QB was the culprit and not the OL and defense...

But now suddenly it's on the OL and defense...

Go figure...!!


I've stood by the fact that Eli didn't play up to his cap number. Daniel Jones does. Is it that hard to comprehend? You bright. You should get it.
...  
christian : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
Jones didn't fumble!
RE: RE: This isn't 2004  
BleedBlue : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14697530 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:


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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.



You mean the same way we did when we had a 2 time super bowl MVP veteran QB? interesting..


being a rookie is ABSOLUTELY an excuse. dude is in his 12th start....it takes time...you just hate everything the giants do. i swear you should be a jets or skins fan bro
RE: RE: This isn't 2004  
Bill L : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14697530 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:


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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.



You mean the same way we did when we had a 2 time super bowl MVP veteran QB? interesting..

I agree. I don’t think it’s the QB so much (whichever QB you want to talk about) as it is...everything.
RE: Honestly feel like this is one of several games this year  
RDJR : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14697524 Bill L said:
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Where I feel like the game was closer than the final score.


Did you ever think the Giants had a chance to win the game?
LOL!  
Giant John : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
Bengals are kicking the Jets ass. New York football what a shit show.
This team is going to have the number 1 pick  
Giantfan21 : 12/1/2019 3:50 pm : link
its really hard to believe
RE: I'd  
Simms11 : 12/1/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14697532 AcidTest said:
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be surprised if we win another game this year. Miami and Washington are better than us right now. That would mean we'd finish the season with a 12 game losing streak. I assume that would be a franchise record.


I think 10 straight was the record. I think we’re going have the dubious distinction today?!
Jones doesn't care...  
rebel yell : 12/1/2019 3:51 pm : link
he's going to sling it. I like that.
We're losing out.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/1/2019 3:51 pm : link
I'm convinced of this.
Great  
AcidTest : 12/1/2019 3:51 pm : link
catch by Smith. He's really come on the last two weeks. Nice play by Jones as well to avoid having the ball swatted away.
We’ve already  
bubba0825 : 12/1/2019 3:51 pm : link
Built in an excuse for the next coach/gm in having Jones as an even if he’s good
RE: RE: This isn't 2004  
Toth029 : 12/1/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14697530 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:


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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.



You mean the same way we did when we had a 2 time super bowl MVP veteran QB? interesting..

His boy Lamar averaged under 170 yards passing last year and didn't negate that one bit.

Difference is Jones doesn't have Harbaugh and Roman as his coaches.
RE: RE: Honestly feel like this is one of several games this year  
Bill L : 12/1/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14697541 RDJR said:
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In comment 14697524 Bill L said:


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Where I feel like the game was closer than the final score.



Did you ever think the Giants had a chance to win the game?
there was a point where I felt the outcome wasn’t set I stone.
RE: This isn't 2004  
Strahan91 : 12/1/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:
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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.

What does this mean? Which rookie QB's came in and lit the league on fire? Mayfield was very good last year and regressed this year. Who else? Please don't use Mahomes as an example.
RE: RE: This isn't 2004  
EricJ : 12/1/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14697534 crick n NC said:
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Perhaps coaching impacts players a lot.


yeah its funny how some people say we have the worst coach in football and then blame the GM for the players we have.

At some point we need to make up our minds. this is either Shurmur's fault or Gettleman's.

If Shurmur cannot coach then we dont really know whether the problem is with the players.
RE: RE: RE: Honestly feel like this is one of several games this year  
Bill L : 12/1/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14697553 Bill L said:
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In comment 14697541 RDJR said:


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In comment 14697524 Bill L said:


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Where I feel like the game was closer than the final score.



Did you ever think the Giants had a chance to win the game?

there was a point where I felt the outcome wasn’t set I stone.
but even without feeling like we would win, I felt like we made it a game
DJ has to stop patting the ball  
Simms11 : 12/1/2019 3:53 pm : link
and get it out
RE: DJ has to stop patting the ball  
cokeduplt : 12/1/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14697557 Simms11 said:
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and get it out


Ball should’ve been caught
The more I see other teams  
oldutican : 12/1/2019 3:54 pm : link
run out effective running backs the more I hate the Barkley pick. You just don’t take a RB with 2nd pick
Skins  
LeftHook : 12/1/2019 3:55 pm : link
Score things looking better draft wise
RE: If we have a top 2 pick  
joe48 : 12/1/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14697498 Metnut said:
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We need to scout and consider the QBs. Two kids who look like franchise QBs up top.

I think we’ll pass and take Young, but last few games will be important for evaluating Jones. I think Jones is likely our long term QB, but we need to do our homework.
Jones is the least of our problems.
Skins, dolphins, bengals  
thrunthrublue : 12/1/2019 3:56 pm : link
All ahead in the fourth! Time for miami to run the table!!!!
RE: The more I see other teams  
FStubbs : 12/1/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14697561 oldutican said:
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run out effective running backs the more I hate the Barkley pick. You just don’t take a RB with 2nd pick


We blew that pick but we'll poised to get a do-over with the #2 overall.
RE: RE: If we have a top 2 pick  
cokeduplt : 12/1/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14697566 joe48 said:
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In comment 14697498 Metnut said:


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We need to scout and consider the QBs. Two kids who look like franchise QBs up top.

I think we’ll pass and take Young, but last few games will be important for evaluating Jones. I think Jones is likely our long term QB, but we need to do our homework.

Jones is the least of our problems.


If the giants draft another qb then we’re even more of a joke
RE: This isn't 2004  
aimrocky : 12/1/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:
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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.


Very nice observation. I’m satisfied with Jones but still question if he’s a product of the “safe” scheme that aims to produce 60%+ completion.
RE: RE: RE: This isn't 2004  
crick n NC : 12/1/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14697555 EricJ said:
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In comment 14697534 crick n NC said:


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Perhaps coaching impacts players a lot.



yeah its funny how some people say we have the worst coach in football and then blame the GM for the players we have.

At some point we need to make up our minds. this is either Shurmur's fault or Gettleman's.

If Shurmur cannot coach then we dont really know whether the problem is with the players.


Eric, yeah, it's possible it's both The coach and GM, but like you said of the coach is terrible, how much is that impacting the gm's players? That's not an excuse, but a reasonable possibility
There's an echo  
liteamorn : 12/1/2019 3:58 pm : link
in that f'ing stadium , I hope Mara is watching
Its crazy how undiciplined  
beatrixkiddo : 12/1/2019 3:59 pm : link
this team is week after week. Just basic fundamentals of football mistakes. If ownership doesn't see how bad every single player has regressed across the board and fire the Coach then we are in for many more years of this shit. We are the worst team in the NFL and the future isnt looking to bright right now.
RE: Its crazy how undiciplined  
FStubbs : 12/1/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14697582 beatrixkiddo said:
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this team is week after week. Just basic fundamentals of football mistakes. If ownership doesn't see how bad every single player has regressed across the board and fire the Coach then we are in for many more years of this shit. We are the worst team in the NFL and the future isnt looking to bright right now.


Even Barkley, the "crown jewel" of the Gettleman era, is JAG at best after this coaching staff has coached him up. He doesn't pass the eye test anymore for being anything special.
RE: RE: This isn't 2004  
Toth029 : 12/1/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14697572 aimrocky said:
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In comment 14697521 Go Terps said:


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"He's a rookie" isn't a valid excuse. Jones has a pathetic YPA and the Giants have struggled to score points with him as the quarterback.

It matters when you're going to have the second pick in the draft.



Very nice observation. I’m satisfied with Jones but still question if he’s a product of the “safe” scheme that aims to produce 60%+ completion.

Lamar Jackson just won throwing 4 YPA and having 105 pass yards.

Coaching matters.
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