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Today could be a turning point for this franchise -

Sean : 12/1/2019 1:11 pm
Empty stadium with the few fans who are there chanting “Go Pack Go” - this is what leads to change. This is what wakes up ownership.

This is good.
From your lips to God's ear.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/1/2019 1:13 pm : link
'Dark Knight' is on. One more 3 & out & I might make the switch.
Mara  
broadbandz : 12/1/2019 1:15 pm : link
is the only one that can fix it. Shumer is one of the worst coaches in nfl history.
Empty stadium?  
5BowlsSoon : 12/1/2019 1:18 pm : link
Is it pretty empty? I’m not watching...at my daughters house.
Doesnt mean shit  
Thankyoueli : 12/1/2019 1:21 pm : link
All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.
RE: Doesnt mean shit  
Sean : 12/1/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:
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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.


Actually it means a lot. Mara cares about optics very much.
RE: Doesnt mean shit  
Diver_Down : 12/1/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:
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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.


You are discounting the value of concession sales/parking/merchandise. Yes, the ticket are sold. But if no one is there buying overpriced beer and hotdogs, it absolutely matters to the bottom line.
RE: Doesnt mean shit  
truebluelarry : 12/1/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:
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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.


You're wrong about that.
RE: Mara  
mphbullet36 : 12/1/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14696629 broadbandz said:
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is the only one that can fix it. Shumer is one of the worst coaches in nfl history.


add that to DG being one of the worst GM's and boom you have one of the worst teams
RE: RE: Doesnt mean shit  
Joey from GlenCove : 12/1/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14696787 truebluelarry said:
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In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:


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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.



You're wrong about that.


This goes beyond dollars here. Image matter for them. This looks horrible
But Mara is excited only down by 7  
micky : 12/1/2019 1:44 pm : link
Exciting times for Mara
I have no hope that ownership will get the right message  
KentGraham : 12/1/2019 1:50 pm : link
They are the problem!
I’m up in 335  
Giants86 : 12/1/2019 1:52 pm : link
I’d say it’s 50/50. Not good
LO  
liteamorn : 12/1/2019 1:56 pm : link
f'ing L
1st and 10  
liteamorn : 12/1/2019 1:57 pm : link
What else
No turning point  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 2:11 pm : link
No substantial financial difference. Value of franchise continues to soar.
RE: No turning point  
Sean : 12/1/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14696987 Jim from Katonah said:
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No substantial financial difference. Value of franchise continues to soar.


Not understanding the point.
Nice holding penalty  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/1/2019 2:17 pm : link
Jenkins.
What this is  
mattnyg05 : 12/1/2019 2:18 pm : link
Is simply another game whereafter we don’t know wtf is going to happen.
RE: RE: No turning point  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14696996 Sean said:
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No substantial financial difference. Value of franchise continues to soar.



Not understanding the point.


Concessions are small potatoes. It will be another incredibly profitable year for one of the top 5 most profitable franchises — and the resale value of the team has more than doubled in past 10 (horrible) years. I think it was valued at less than $900 million in 2006 ... it’s at least $2.5 billion now.
MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION  
Arkbach : 12/1/2019 3:02 pm : link
You people...stop paying for season tickets! Stop buying Giants junk! People need to stop financially supporting this franchise. Hopefully, UFAs and draft prospects will tell the media why they don't want to play for the NYGs. Barkley can't wait to get out of town.

My discaimler...I gave-up PSLs and season tickets in 2010 because I was upset watching crappy football during the 1990s and 2000s. A year of winning doesn't offset years of losing. Why can't this franchise compete like Baltimore, Carolina, Pittsburgh year after year and they're in smaller markets?
Mara still making money hand over fist  
moespree : 12/1/2019 3:14 pm : link
As long as that happens I am not convinced he cares whether or not the stadium is filled with road fans.
RE: Mara still making money hand over fist  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14697220 moespree said:
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As long as that happens I am not convinced he cares whether or not the stadium is filled with road fans.


Amen.
Why is THIS game the turning point...  
EricJ : 12/1/2019 3:17 pm : link
or wakeup call for Mara?

We have been watching the same shit for years. Bad football, empty seats and opposing fans buying the tickets.

We actually get to this point in the season every year.

RE: MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14697164 Arkbach said:
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You people...stop paying for season tickets! Stop buying Giants junk! People need to stop financially supporting this franchise. Hopefully, UFAs and draft prospects will tell the media why they don't want to play for the NYGs. Barkley can't wait to get out of town.

My discaimler...I gave-up PSLs and season tickets in 2010 because I was upset watching crappy football during the 1990s and 2000s. A year of winning doesn't offset years of losing. Why can't this franchise compete like Baltimore, Carolina, Pittsburgh year after year and they're in smaller markets?


Double Amen. Instead, Giants ownership hands out stupid towels to wave ... t-shirt guns are next ... bread and circus for a great fan base.
RE: RE: Doesnt mean shit  
Thankyoueli : 12/1/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14696730 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:


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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.



You are discounting the value of concession sales/parking/merchandise. Yes, the ticket are sold. But if no one is there buying overpriced beer and hotdogs, it absolutely matters to the bottom line.


Packers fans dont like beer and hot dogs.
Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
EricJ : 12/1/2019 3:24 pm : link
about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.
RE: Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14697304 EricJ said:
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about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.


We shall see if they care enough to make the uncomfortable choices they will need to make to turn it around — like removing family and cronies from football related decision making.
RE: Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14697304 EricJ said:
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about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.


2017, 2018, and 2019 easily the worst record in football ... worse than the Bengals. Time for a change.
RE: RE: RE: Doesnt mean shit  
Diver_Down : 12/1/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14697268 Thankyoueli said:
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In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:


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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.



You are discounting the value of concession sales/parking/merchandise. Yes, the ticket are sold. But if no one is there buying overpriced beer and hotdogs, it absolutely matters to the bottom line.



Packers fans dont like beer and hot dogs.


Look around on TV. Lots of empty grey seats. Yes, Packers fans are there (you can hear them cheering), but they are a fraction of the attendance.
EricJ  
Arkbach : 12/1/2019 3:40 pm : link
Of course Mara wants to win so people will support his franchise, but if a business isn't compentent then why do suckers keep spending money and watching his shitty product?
STOP WATCHING! MARA MUST SELL!
RE: EricJ  
EricJ : 12/1/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14697447 Arkbach said:
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Of course Mara wants to win so people will support his franchise, but if a business isn't compentent then why do suckers keep spending money and watching his shitty product?
STOP WATCHING! MARA MUST SELL!


Right but that is a completely different point. Some people here are saying Mara does not care as long as the money is rolling in.

Meanwhile, true fans will never stop watching... never.
RE: RE: Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
FStubbs : 12/1/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14697386 Jim from Katonah said:
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In comment 14697304 EricJ said:


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about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.



2017, 2018, and 2019 easily the worst record in football ... worse than the Bengals. Time for a change.


The change needs to start with John Mara firing himself and his brother and getting out of personnel decisions.
Anyone care to start a go fund me  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/1/2019 3:44 pm : link
For another airplay, banner? I'm in for $100..
Airplane  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/1/2019 3:45 pm : link
And banner
RE: RE: RE: Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14697492 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14697386 Jim from Katonah said:


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In comment 14697304 EricJ said:


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about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.



2017, 2018, and 2019 easily the worst record in football ... worse than the Bengals. Time for a change.



The change needs to start with John Mara firing himself and his brother and getting out of personnel decisions.


Agreed ... I doubt they care enough to show Chris Mara and co the door.
RE: Anyone care to start a go fund me  
Justlurking : 12/1/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14697497 Paulie Walnuts said:
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For another airplay, banner? I'm in for $100..


As long as it says fire Gettleman somewhere I’m in for 100 too
Well today  
Nine-Tails : 12/1/2019 4:18 pm : link
Surely got us one step closer to solidifying a top two pick
RE: Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14697304 EricJ said:
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about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.


Does he need to spell it out for you? It's not that he doesn't care at all about winning - it's a question of priorities.

Does Mara care enough to kick his brother out of the job he's held throughout this slow motion train wreck? Does he value winning enough to boot some of the lifers and legacies out of the scouting department? Does he want to get back to respectability enough to solicit opinions outside of the family on his next hire, rather than just drag in Accorsi and find the next man up on the Giants totem pole?

I don't think so. He wants to win, but on his own terms - and those terms have been a recipe for failure for almost a decade now.
RE: RE: Anyone who thinks Mara does not care  
Jim from Katonah : 12/1/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14697787 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14697304 EricJ said:


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about winning and is only in it for the money is just stupid. You have people here on BBI who come to the website every day and want the team to win badly.

Meanwhile, you have John Mara whose family have been living the Giants life for about a century. It is in their blood more than it is for any of us.

To say he only cares about the money is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to say that he is not doing a good job of running the franchise.. then I will go along with that.



Does he need to spell it out for you? It's not that he doesn't care at all about winning - it's a question of priorities.

Does Mara care enough to kick his brother out of the job he's held throughout this slow motion train wreck? Does he value winning enough to boot some of the lifers and legacies out of the scouting department? Does he want to get back to respectability enough to solicit opinions outside of the family on his next hire, rather than just drag in Accorsi and find the next man up on the Giants totem pole?

I don't think so. He wants to win, but on his own terms - and those terms have been a recipe for failure for almost a decade now.


Agreed ... things are nice in Friends & Family Club ...
RE: RE: Doesnt mean shit  
uther99 : 12/1/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14696730 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14696673 Thankyoueli said:


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All the tickets were sold as always.

Giants don't care about the 3rd party resale value of tickets nor if you decide to show up or not after purchasing.



You are discounting the value of concession sales/parking/merchandise. Yes, the ticket are sold. But if no one is there buying overpriced beer and hotdogs, it absolutely matters to the bottom line.


tv and NFL licensing is bulk of the money to owners.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/062515/how-nfl-makes-money.asp
It wasn’t packer fans chanting,  
RodneyHamp : 12/1/2019 5:56 pm : link
Giants fans were chanting, “go, Pat, go!”
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