He’s a rookie, it’s almost a given that he’s going to turn the ball over. He’ll learn from it.
The point is that there is a lot to like about the kid, but he has a lot to improve. If we have the #1 or #2 pick, we should be doing our homework on QBs. We criticize the organization for it's dysfunction. But forcing a player on a new coaching staff at such an important position reinforces the dysfunction. If as a fan you want a new staff, but want them to be forced to work with DJ, then don't ever criticize the dysfunction.
The point is he’s a rookie and most rookies have a lot to improve on. It’s very rare for rookie QBs to come in and excel. They are not going to give up on him in one year. That’s crazy.
and the Haley PI were shitty calls. The Beal call was barely touching and the ball was uncatchable. THe Haley one, the WR ran between defenders pushing his way through and all Haley did was hit his shoulder. Did not think he grabbed him. Another one where they allowed the WR make the call.
And then the play where Rodgers just threw the ball up and it was caught on 3rd and 14, the guard had Williams wrapped up around the chest and back, right in the middle of the play.
But they are another game closer to Chase Young. Boy do they need a pass rush.
I love the excuses with this guy. Can’t make it up.
HELL NO to that nonsense by Shurmur. A young team is supposed to be awful early in the season but improved enough by this point in the season to be competitive every week and maybe win a few games
I think he has been told the team is committed to him and Gettleman and he has nothing to worry about.
Get ready the same show is coming back
IF they all come back next season im finding a new team to watch next season .i will still root for the giants of course but i cant watch these games anymore with him as the coach
tend to have an awful first half of the season (1-7 or 2-6) and play much better in the second half of the season (sometimes going 4-4 or 5-3). The Giants haven't won since Week 4
Given the way the Redskins and Dolphins are playing, Giants will not likely taste victory again this year. And if DG and PS are still around, few victories next year in this “rebuild.”
You think things are bad around here now.....wait until the Skins game when Haskins outperforms Jones.....oh boy.
A new front office should be brought in and make the decision Â
how they want to proceed going forward with quite possibly the top pick in the draft . Do they want to trade down for a haul of picks ? chase young ? or maybe trade jones and draft burrow ?
All options should be on the table . 1 thing though is gettleman and mara need to be far away from making that decision
I think he throws a gorgeous ball and has a lot of intangibles I like. Is the kid from LSU a lock to be better? He better be if you make a move like that.
ain't a novelty in this league. The INT's today were bad and on him but still think those are going to happen. I'd be shocked if a new regime took over and wanted to move on to someone else. He's shown way too much for that IMO.
we draft Joe Burrough and trade Daniel? The new coaching staff is going to want their own qb.
The new staff should have the freedom to choose. No player should be forced on the new staff. We aren't a good enough team to have sacred cows. Everyone should be considered for slaughter.
I agree. If we can get a 5th rounder for DJ I'd take it...
Tom Brady, 6th round, is kinda like once in a century
I think he has been told the team is committed to him and Gettleman and he has nothing to worry about.
Get ready the same show is coming back
IF they all come back next season im finding a new team to watch next season .i will still root for the giants of course but i cant watch these games anymore with him as the coach
Agreed. The only thing PS will do is move up from 7th all-time losing record to 6th or maybe 4th. Most coaches on that list don’t hang around as long as PS May be in NY.
Given the way the Redskins and Dolphins are playing, Giants will not likely taste victory again this year. And if DG and PS are still around, few victories next year in this “rebuild.”
You think things are bad around here now.....wait until the Skins game when Haskins outperforms Jones.....oh boy.
Given the rate of regression of the players on this team - and the state of our defense - Haskins will almost surely outplay Jones. He outplayed Jones today.
Today felt like the end. Half-empty stadium, the other half rooting for the visitors, completely dead team, poor performance from the young guys (and the old guys, and everyone involved).
I’m sure he’ll be fired at the end of this season but now I don’t know that he makes it that far.
I think he throws a gorgeous ball and has a lot of intangibles I like. Is the kid from LSU a lock to be better? He better be if you make a move like that.
No one's ever a lock, but the new regime that should be brought in must be allowed to make what moves they see necessary.
To my eye Burrow is a better prospect, but that's not the only consideration. Also consider:
- drafting Burrow boys another year of a rookie contract at QB
- we'd presumably get something in trade for Jones and be able to use that to help build the new program
I don't think we should be committed to a single player on this roster.
is not the problem. Any new coach won't be hired unless he accepts Jones.
That is limiting the pool of coaches. If you have 10 candidates and then impose conditions, you might end up with 6 candidates. That is dysfunctional. Anyone who demands the condition on a new coach relinquishes the right to complain about organizational dysfunction. Full Stop. You can't complain about some while accepting other.
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I think he throws a gorgeous ball and has a lot of intangibles I like. Is the kid from LSU a lock to be better? He better be if you make a move like that.
No one's ever a lock, but the new regime that should be brought in must be allowed to make what moves they see necessary.
To my eye Burrow is a better prospect, but that's not the only consideration. Also consider:
- drafting Burrow boys another year of a rookie contract at QB
- we'd presumably get something in trade for Jones and be able to use that to help build the new program
I don't think we should be committed to a single player on this roster.
With each loss are you gaining confidence there will be a new regime?
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Than Manning’s. Get him an OL and a #1 receiver and he’s going to be really good.
No, it's not. Eli showed improvement later on in the year. Jones is regressing.
Gotta love revisionist history. People were questioning Eli until his playoff run in 2007
Yep. Week 14 of his rookie year was the famous 4-18 for 27 yards with 2 picks and a fumble. Also, that team was immensely more talented on offense than this one is especially with Engram and Tate out.
And I’m one who didn’t want to draft him. He’s not the problem. The OL and the defense are.
I like him too while realizing that he has a lot to improve on. I also don't think any player on this team is a sacred cow entitled to their full scholarship. If a new regime wants to trade SB, then so be it. If they prefer a different QB, they should have that freedom.
is not the problem. Any new coach won't be hired unless he accepts Jones.
Dreadful way to build a team.
Don't agree. Jones has shown more than enough to be considered the next QB of the Giants. He has no OL, and few weapons on offense. The defense can't stop anyone, generates no pressure, and has continual blown coverages in the secondary with all the rookies. We also have no speed at LB or S.
DG also drafted Jones. He won't hire any coach that doesn't agree to keep Jones, and develop him. I think ownership would take the same view even if DG was fired.
RE: RE: Jones’ rookie season is light year’s better Â
I think Shurmur's gone. Not Gettleman though. And that means more wasted time is on the horizon unless Gettleman becomes completely marginalized and below the head coach on all decisions.
RE: RE: I’m fine taking an honest look at Jones.. Â
I think he throws a gorgeous ball and has a lot of intangibles I like. Is the kid from LSU a lock to be better? He better be if you make a move like that.
No one's ever a lock, but the new regime that should be brought in must be allowed to make what moves they see necessary.
To my eye Burrow is a better prospect, but that's not the only consideration. Also consider:
- drafting Burrow boys another year of a rookie contract at QB
- we'd presumably get something in trade for Jones and be able to use that to help build the new program
I don't think we should be committed to a single player on this roster.
you also have to consider that if you're taking Burrow you're presumably passing up on Chase Young who could be a once every ~5 or so years type pass rusher prospect. You get him on his rookie deal too and even good, not great ER's get paid handsomely.
I think Shurmur's gone. Not Gettleman though. And that means more wasted time is on the horizon unless Gettleman becomes completely marginalized and below the head coach on all decisions.
I don’t think that’s impossible. Bill2 made some great points about that. Timing might make more sense to keep Gettleman while phasing him out.
I think Shurmur's gone. Not Gettleman though. And that means more wasted time is on the horizon unless Gettleman becomes completely marginalized and below the head coach on all decisions.
I don’t think that’s impossible. Bill2 made some great points about that. Timing might make more sense to keep Gettleman while phasing him out.
I don't agree with that. There's no scenario where keeping Gettleman makes sense. His presence hurts the organization.
Mrs. Hog-Mollies and Pat Shurmur have ‘built’ the worst team in the NFC and the the second worst in the league. These must be growing pains, but the problem is there is no assurance things will improve. Franchise Hell.
What's the scenario in which this happens we're discussing? Cincinatti passes up Burrow for Young and we're at 2? I'd imagine in that scenario you can get more by trading that pick then than you would from trading Jones and to me that says little about who will be the better pro. Someone will fall in love with him and want to sell the fanbase on the excitement of the unknown. Sure, the Giants feel Burrow is going to be a superstar and Jones isn't I'd trade Jones if you can get some value in return.
That’s a new one?
Great point. Shurmur takes no responsibility for his inability. That is why things don’t improve.
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He’s a rookie, it’s almost a given that he’s going to turn the ball over. He’ll learn from it.
The point is that there is a lot to like about the kid, but he has a lot to improve. If we have the #1 or #2 pick, we should be doing our homework on QBs. We criticize the organization for it's dysfunction. But forcing a player on a new coaching staff at such an important position reinforces the dysfunction. If as a fan you want a new staff, but want them to be forced to work with DJ, then don't ever criticize the dysfunction.
The point is he’s a rookie and most rookies have a lot to improve on. It’s very rare for rookie QBs to come in and excel. They are not going to give up on him in one year. That’s crazy.
giants are 100% in on the chase young sweepstakes
i am excited for a new coaching staff too
My feeling as well. Very excited for the off-season.
The Giants are in “team hell” with this coaching staff. Each loss ensures Shurmur is shown the door and a real staff is brought in.
Each loss gets the Giants closer to a true game changer on defense — Chase Young.
Today was a good day.
Get ready the same show is coming back
And then the play where Rodgers just threw the ball up and it was caught on 3rd and 14, the guard had Williams wrapped up around the chest and back, right in the middle of the play.
But they are another game closer to Chase Young. Boy do they need a pass rush.
Quote the culture Gettleman and Shurmur have established.
good-bye Shurmur,
we're glad to see you go.
HELL NO to that nonsense by Shurmur. A young team is supposed to be awful early in the season but improved enough by this point in the season to be competitive every week and maybe win a few games
Get ready the same show is coming back
IF they all come back next season im finding a new team to watch next season .i will still root for the giants of course but i cant watch these games anymore with him as the coach
So he can’t coach or Getts can’t pick em right? Or combination of both? That is a terrible excuse!
I was being sarcastic. Everyone here wants to get rid of him for a QB we know nothing about..
Dreadful way to build a team.
You think things are bad around here now.....wait until the Skins game when Haskins outperforms Jones.....oh boy.
All options should be on the table . 1 thing though is gettleman and mara need to be far away from making that decision
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we draft Joe Burrough and trade Daniel? The new coaching staff is going to want their own qb.
The new staff should have the freedom to choose. No player should be forced on the new staff. We aren't a good enough team to have sacred cows. Everyone should be considered for slaughter.
I agree. If we can get a 5th rounder for DJ I'd take it...
Tom Brady, 6th round, is kinda like once in a century
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I think he has been told the team is committed to him and Gettleman and he has nothing to worry about.
Get ready the same show is coming back
IF they all come back next season im finding a new team to watch next season .i will still root for the giants of course but i cant watch these games anymore with him as the coach
Agreed. The only thing PS will do is move up from 7th all-time losing record to 6th or maybe 4th. Most coaches on that list don’t hang around as long as PS May be in NY.
Mr Hog-Millie’s hasn’t done either. Got rid of Beckham and picked up Solder—the worst for the most $.
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Given the way the Redskins and Dolphins are playing, Giants will not likely taste victory again this year. And if DG and PS are still around, few victories next year in this “rebuild.”
You think things are bad around here now.....wait until the Skins game when Haskins outperforms Jones.....oh boy.
Given the rate of regression of the players on this team - and the state of our defense - Haskins will almost surely outplay Jones. He outplayed Jones today.
No, it's not. Eli showed improvement later on in the year. Jones is regressing.
I’m sure he’ll be fired at the end of this season but now I don’t know that he makes it that far.
We are too young to win.
We are not good enough from a personnel perspective to win
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Than Manning’s. Get him an OL and a #1 receiver and he’s going to be really good.
No, it's not. Eli showed improvement later on in the year. Jones is regressing.
Gotta love revisionist history. People were questioning Eli until his playoff run in 2007
No one's ever a lock, but the new regime that should be brought in must be allowed to make what moves they see necessary.
To my eye Burrow is a better prospect, but that's not the only consideration. Also consider:
- drafting Burrow boys another year of a rookie contract at QB
- we'd presumably get something in trade for Jones and be able to use that to help build the new program
I don't think we should be committed to a single player on this roster.
That is limiting the pool of coaches. If you have 10 candidates and then impose conditions, you might end up with 6 candidates. That is dysfunctional. Anyone who demands the condition on a new coach relinquishes the right to complain about organizational dysfunction. Full Stop. You can't complain about some while accepting other.
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Than Manning’s. Get him an OL and a #1 receiver and he’s going to be really good.
No, it's not. Eli showed improvement later on in the year. Jones is regressing.
Jones' year is better than Eli's. Today I think was a stinker. 1st time he was really inaccurate with his throws and Eli did have a much better line.
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I think he throws a gorgeous ball and has a lot of intangibles I like. Is the kid from LSU a lock to be better? He better be if you make a move like that.
No one's ever a lock, but the new regime that should be brought in must be allowed to make what moves they see necessary.
To my eye Burrow is a better prospect, but that's not the only consideration. Also consider:
- drafting Burrow boys another year of a rookie contract at QB
- we'd presumably get something in trade for Jones and be able to use that to help build the new program
I don't think we should be committed to a single player on this roster.
With each loss are you gaining confidence there will be a new regime?
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Than Manning’s. Get him an OL and a #1 receiver and he’s going to be really good.
No, it's not. Eli showed improvement later on in the year. Jones is regressing.
Gotta love revisionist history. People were questioning Eli until his playoff run in 2007
Yep. Week 14 of his rookie year was the famous 4-18 for 27 yards with 2 picks and a fumble. Also, that team was immensely more talented on offense than this one is especially with Engram and Tate out.
I like him too while realizing that he has a lot to improve on. I also don't think any player on this team is a sacred cow entitled to their full scholarship. If a new regime wants to trade SB, then so be it. If they prefer a different QB, they should have that freedom.
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is not the problem. Any new coach won't be hired unless he accepts Jones.
Dreadful way to build a team.
Don't agree. Jones has shown more than enough to be considered the next QB of the Giants. He has no OL, and few weapons on offense. The defense can't stop anyone, generates no pressure, and has continual blown coverages in the secondary with all the rookies. We also have no speed at LB or S.
DG also drafted Jones. He won't hire any coach that doesn't agree to keep Jones, and develop him. I think ownership would take the same view even if DG was fired.
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Than Manning’s. Get him an OL and a #1 receiver and he’s going to be really good.
No, it's not. Eli showed improvement later on in the year. Jones is regressing.
He was only a little less bad. Jones hadn’t thrown an INT for over 100 passes till today. He’s thrown 17 TDs in 10 games
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I think he throws a gorgeous ball and has a lot of intangibles I like. Is the kid from LSU a lock to be better? He better be if you make a move like that.
No one's ever a lock, but the new regime that should be brought in must be allowed to make what moves they see necessary.
To my eye Burrow is a better prospect, but that's not the only consideration. Also consider:
- drafting Burrow boys another year of a rookie contract at QB
- we'd presumably get something in trade for Jones and be able to use that to help build the new program
I don't think we should be committed to a single player on this roster.
you also have to consider that if you're taking Burrow you're presumably passing up on Chase Young who could be a once every ~5 or so years type pass rusher prospect. You get him on his rookie deal too and even good, not great ER's get paid handsomely.
I don’t think that’s impossible. Bill2 made some great points about that. Timing might make more sense to keep Gettleman while phasing him out.
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I think Shurmur's gone. Not Gettleman though. And that means more wasted time is on the horizon unless Gettleman becomes completely marginalized and below the head coach on all decisions.
I don’t think that’s impossible. Bill2 made some great points about that. Timing might make more sense to keep Gettleman while phasing him out.
I don't agree with that. There's no scenario where keeping Gettleman makes sense. His presence hurts the organization.
What's the scenario in which this happens we're discussing? Cincinatti passes up Burrow for Young and we're at 2? I'd imagine in that scenario you can get more by trading that pick then than you would from trading Jones and to me that says little about who will be the better pro. Someone will fall in love with him and want to sell the fanbase on the excitement of the unknown. Sure, the Giants feel Burrow is going to be a superstar and Jones isn't I'd trade Jones if you can get some value in return.