Why should DG survive this?

Upcoming year, but I don’t think gettleman at his age and track record deserves to spend that money

We've been strapped with a bajillion dollars in dead money from getting rid of bad contracts the last 2 years...

Kinda hard to overhaul an entire team with 2 drafts and barely any money... he hasnt been amazing by any stretch but this could be a whole hell of a lot worse.

I'm not entirely opposed to a new GM but theres no chance, if we were even considering it no way Mara wouldve let DG do the Williams trade.

He should be fired for the Willians trade alone

He's assembled the worst Giants roster I've ever seen.

I've been a Giants fan for 33 years. It's never been this bad. Never.

Fire Gettleman today.

In comment 14697670 Thankyoueli said:

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We've been strapped with a bajillion dollars in dead money from getting rid of bad contracts the last 2 years... Kinda hard to overhaul an entire team with 2 drafts and barely any money... he hasnt been amazing by any stretch but this could be a whole hell of a lot worse. I'm not entirely opposed to a new GM but theres no chance, if we were even considering it no way Mara wouldve let DG do the Williams trade.

That’s complete bull. He’s created all this deadcap with his moves and trades.

The talent on the field is the some of the worst in the league.

I remember some balloon contact numbers that Reese and Ross signed up.

But I thought OBJ's dead money was self-inflicted. Also, Eli got 23Mm for holding a clip board this season.

over Gettleman? Glad you don't make the decisions.

But he doesn’t really deserve to stay either.

Layden was probably the more damaging GM, but Thomas "building" on top of what Layden just amplified his shittiness. I think we're seeing the same here with Gettleman.

But I still bet that he will.

In comment 14697714 section125 said:

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over Gettleman? Glad you don't make the decisions.

Every two years starting in 2014 we've changed our coaches with shit results. At some point we need to pick better groceries or it's not going to matter who the coach is.

but now I think I'd just can everyone.

In comment 14697714 section125 said:

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over Gettleman? Glad you don't make the decisions.

If I had to pick just one to fire it’d be DG.

Because regarding both the head coach and the players, DG has chosen deportment over ability.

He shouldn't have survived trading JPP for a 3rd, nevermind all the stuff since.

In comment 14697714 section125 said:

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over Gettleman? Glad you don't make the decisions.

His argument is that Gettleman is more capable of doing long term damage that will be difficult to recover from that Shurmur is in his position.

So he gets hit for that hire....

Ton of blame for everything, But lets be serious
Coaching is the bigger problem.

Is not getting fired this year.. he gets more time

Only some of it points to mismanagement. If you believe ownership + Accorsi as consultant were the primary force in hiring Shurmer and that the follow-on coaching hires were largely Shurmer's responsibility then that's where things went wrong in my opinion.

If you remove that giant black mark from Gettleman's record he has done more good than bad with the deck largely stacked against him.

If you think that the coaching staff should be laid at Gettleman's feet than everything is his fault and we probably should move on. At that point though, we are essentially the browns or raiders of the 00's through mid-teens so nothing is likely to get better any time soon.

Not really sure why so many are rooting for that to be the case??

Team is worse nearly position by position talent wise then in 2017. He should be fired. But he’s just a symptom of the bigger issue which is the incompetent involvement of ownership. If DG is gone, another DG will replace him.

They both suck.

a break. This is a "historically young team".

This catastrophe falls on Resume. He's a historically bad hire...

The OP is actually right. Resume deserves to be fired more than Shurmur...

Barkley and Jones were great picks (obviously), Lawrence, Hernandez, Slayton, and other young guys have potential. But he's been awful in free agency, and this "hog mollies" bullshit hasn't led to a good offensive line.

And get a gm and hc that has outside the box thinking..no ties with giants and mara in past. Period

but he will. Because as evidenced by the past 7 years, the Giants have no idea what they're doing.

and Bettcher was either Gettlemen's or Shurmur's I would clean house.

Otherwise GM should hire HC, and have substantial input over OC and DC.

I believe our talent is substantially better than our results. Bettcher is a joke with his easy release pass coverage. And why PS calls plays? I have seen no evidence of talent.

In comment 14697802 Mr. Bungle said:

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Barkley and Jones were great picks (obviously), Lawrence, Hernandez, Slayton, and other young guys have potential. But he's been awful in free agency, and this "hog mollies" bullshit hasn't led to a good offensive line.

Barkley was not a great pick. I think the results on the field speak for themselves. You don't draft a RB #2 overall when rebuilding a team, and on top of that, Barkley has regressed under Shurmur's stewardship.

In comment 14697670 Thankyoueli said:

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We've been strapped with a bajillion dollars in dead money from getting rid of bad contracts the last 2 years... Kinda hard to overhaul an entire team with 2 drafts and barely any money... he hasnt been amazing by any stretch but this could be a whole hell of a lot worse. I'm not entirely opposed to a new GM but theres no chance, if we were even considering it no way Mara wouldve let DG do the Williams trade.

Apparently the Gettleman apologist simply can't read. This will be something like the 3rd time I have had to post this.

I see Gettleman apologists say he had little cap room to fix our problems.

Lets take a look at how Gettleman has utilized the cap for 2019 season.

Current Players: Gettleman has responsibility for all underlined contracts, the bolded ones are bad ones IMHO:
Eli Manning QB $23,200,000 (17M could have been freed if he were cut before the roster bonus)
Janoris Jenkins CB $14,750,000
Nate Solder LT $12,000,000
Alec Ogletree ILB $11,750,000
Saquon Barkley RB $7,089,716
Golden Tate WR $6,270,587
Kareem Martin OLB $5,941,666
Kevin Zeitler G $5,000,000
Antoine Bethea FS $3,625,000
Leonard Williams DE $3,517,647 (this is bad more for the picks than the money)
Sterling Shepard WR $3,391,455

A couple of other questionable contracts
Spencer Pulley C $2,675,000 questionable because he traded away Brett Jones to avoid paying his 3M salary, BJ is better than Halapio and Pulley
Mike Remmers RT $2,500,000

Dead cap money: Gettleman made all these decisions, the underlined ones were contracts he also gave out:
Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000
Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000
Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000
Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000
Eli Apple CB $2,304,968
Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500
Olsen Pierre DE $934,375
Bennie Fowler WR $735,000
Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000
Connor Barwin OLB $365,000
Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824
Sean Chandler S $305,097
+ 42 bottom of the roster players churned that cost another $3,141,443
The team has a total of 40M dead cap space, Gettleman is 100% responsible for 26.6M of that 40M.


Add to that 26.6M these bad contracts who are all serious under performers:
Solder
Olgetree
Martin
Bethae
Remmers
Martin (on IR so not performing at all, but was thoroughly unimpressive)
Also I add Tate who while not under-performing is not part of the long term solution at his age
After these additions the bad money spent is 68.7M.

Add in $17M for Eli to ride the pine, up to 85.7M+

And this is up for debate by some here, but I think paying a RB 7M is crazy.

DG has also restructured contracts pushing about 10M of this year's space into the future - 5M each on Solder and Zeitler (7.5M restructured for each but 2.5M each still hits this year)

So that is 92.7M+ in cap space that was unwisely spent by DG, plus the 10M kicked down the road makes it really 102.7M. Saying unwisely is about as mildly as I can state it.

So, I think we can conclude that DG had plenty of cap space, he just spent it badly. The "crippling" contracts have been of Gettleman's own making!

The Center situation from trading away Jones to insisting on Halapio was just stupid mishandling of the roster.
Then of course there is the LW trade, picks from 2020 so that the team can sit one of his 2018 3rd rounders...
Lets not forget the Stewart signing...

These are the kinds of decisions this GM makes.

Whatever cap space opens up next year will likely be squandered just like the $102.7+M that was squandered on this years team.
This is the guy you want back for round 3?
Any new HC you want to be saddled with this guy?

firing a HC and giving the GM "one more year" to prove his worth is a recipe for total disaster.

So the Giants suck next year (and there's zero reason to believe they won't) and you can the GM and now you saddle the new GM with a coach he might not want.

Gettleman has made one good move in his 2 years here. Daniel Jones. The rest are either a total disaster or meh.

One player should not save his job. He hired this loser. He drafted a running back #2 overall and thought the Giants could contend in 2018. He built this offensive line. He built this pass rush. He built this secondary and linebackers.

Mara needs to sack up and do what he should have done 2 years ago. He needs to clean out the scouts, get his brother out of a player personnel position and hire people from outside "the Giants family" to run the football operations.

I was furious when he got together with Accorsi to just hire the guy that lost the job to Reese in 2007. He came in spewing arrogant cliches about running the ball and rushing the passer yet the offensive line and pass rush are the worst in the NFL after two years in charge.

They need to completely revamp this organization. No one should be safe.

In comment 14697895 MookGiants said:

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firing a HC and giving the GM "one more year" to prove his worth is a recipe for total disaster. So the Giants suck next year (and there's zero reason to believe they won't) and you can the GM and now you saddle the new GM with a coach he might not want. Gettleman has made one good move in his 2 years here. Daniel Jones. The rest are either a total disaster or meh. One player should not save his job. He hired this loser. He drafted a running back #2 overall and thought the Giants could contend in 2018. He built this offensive line. He built this pass rush. He built this secondary and linebackers.

Couldn’t agree more... The coach, HC and staff need to be on the same schedule, otherwise we risk alienating candidates.

In comment 14697895 MookGiants said:

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Gettleman has made one good move in his 2 years here. Daniel Jones. The rest are either a total disaster or meh.

I think we're entering the stage where the jury has decided they need more information and are now still out on Jones.

In comment 14697892 FStubbs said:

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In comment 14697802 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: Barkley and Jones were great picks (obviously), Lawrence, Hernandez, Slayton, and other young guys have potential. But he's been awful in free agency, and this "hog mollies" bullshit hasn't led to a good offensive line. Barkley was not a great pick. I think the results on the field speak for themselves. You don't draft a RB #2 overall when rebuilding a team, and on top of that, Barkley has regressed under Shurmur's stewardship.

Barkley was a great pick. Stop overthinking things.

fucking planet was Barkley a "great" pick.

When he plays great (which hasn't happened in a while) all of the Barkley mouth breathers are on their knees ready to blow him.

When he sucks, like he has for weeks now, it's everyone elses fault or a result of injury.

In comment 14697894 .McL. said:

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In comment 14697670 Thankyoueli said: Quote: We've been strapped with a bajillion dollars in dead money from getting rid of bad contracts the last 2 years... Kinda hard to overhaul an entire team with 2 drafts and barely any money... he hasnt been amazing by any stretch but this could be a whole hell of a lot worse. I'm not entirely opposed to a new GM but theres no chance, if we were even considering it no way Mara wouldve let DG do the Williams trade. Apparently the Gettleman apologist simply can't read. This will be something like the 3rd time I have had to post this. I see Gettleman apologists say he had little cap room to fix our problems. Lets take a look at how Gettleman has utilized the cap for 2019 season. Current Players: Gettleman has responsibility for all underlined contracts, the bolded ones are bad ones IMHO: Eli Manning QB $23,200,000 (17M could have been freed if he were cut before the roster bonus) Janoris Jenkins CB $14,750,000 Nate Solder LT $12,000,000 Alec Ogletree ILB $11,750,000 Saquon Barkley RB $7,089,716 Golden Tate WR $6,270,587 Kareem Martin OLB $5,941,666 Kevin Zeitler G $5,000,000 Antoine Bethea FS $3,625,000 Leonard Williams DE $3,517,647 (this is bad more for the picks than the money) Sterling Shepard WR $3,391,455 A couple of other questionable contracts Spencer Pulley C $2,675,000 questionable because he traded away Brett Jones to avoid paying his 3M salary, BJ is better than Halapio and Pulley Mike Remmers RT $2,500,000 Dead cap money: Gettleman made all these decisions, the underlined ones were contracts he also gave out: Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000 Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000 Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000 Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000 Eli Apple CB $2,304,968 Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500 Olsen Pierre DE $934,375 Bennie Fowler WR $735,000 Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000 Connor Barwin OLB $365,000 Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824 Sean Chandler S $305,097 + 42 bottom of the roster players churned that cost another $3,141,443 The team has a total of 40M dead cap space, Gettleman is 100% responsible for 26.6M of that 40M. Add to that 26.6M these bad contracts who are all serious under performers: Solder Olgetree Martin Bethae Remmers Martin (on IR so not performing at all, but was thoroughly unimpressive) Also I add Tate who while not under-performing is not part of the long term solution at his age After these additions the bad money spent is 68.7M. Add in $17M for Eli to ride the pine, up to 85.7M+ And this is up for debate by some here, but I think paying a RB 7M is crazy. DG has also restructured contracts pushing about 10M of this year's space into the future - 5M each on Solder and Zeitler (7.5M restructured for each but 2.5M each still hits this year) So that is 92.7M+ in cap space that was unwisely spent by DG, plus the 10M kicked down the road makes it really 102.7M. Saying unwisely is about as mildly as I can state it. So, I think we can conclude that DG had plenty of cap space, he just spent it badly. The "crippling" contracts have been of Gettleman's own making! The Center situation from trading away Jones to insisting on Halapio was just stupid mishandling of the roster. Then of course there is the LW trade, picks from 2020 so that the team can sit one of his 2018 3rd rounders... Lets not forget the Stewart signing... These are the kinds of decisions this GM makes. Whatever cap space opens up next year will likely be squandered just like the $102.7+M that was squandered on this years team. This is the guy you want back for round 3? Any new HC you want to be saddled with this guy?

#SuperFacts

... Shurmur OR Gettleman? Everyone can go Bye bye. This team sucks all the way around, blow this shit up.

In comment 14697907 Mr. Bungle said:

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In comment 14697892 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 14697802 Mr. Bungle said: Quote: Barkley and Jones were great picks (obviously), Lawrence, Hernandez, Slayton, and other young guys have potential. But he's been awful in free agency, and this "hog mollies" bullshit hasn't led to a good offensive line. Barkley was not a great pick. I think the results on the field speak for themselves. You don't draft a RB #2 overall when rebuilding a team, and on top of that, Barkley has regressed under Shurmur's stewardship. Barkley was a great pick. Stop overthinking things.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Dave Gettleman gets about 1/3 of things right, which is about double what the rest of the organization top-to-bottom has been accomplishing the last 8 years.

The mere existence of any successes will be trotted out as evidence of success, but what it really is just a notch over abject failure.

Two simple questions the Giants need to face when it comes to management:

1) Will it take a majority of decisions being correct to establish a winning team?

2) In his time as GM has Gettleman gotten a majority of decisions correct?

Everything else is just emotional nonsense from fans and ownership rooted in liking that he's homegrown, liking that he worked in Charlotte, liking he's an East Coast guy with old school grit, and my favorite -- liking that he was once good at his job.

I used to be 10, doesn't mean I should be in the fifth grade. Things you used to be aren't things you are.

In comment 14697903 NYG07 said:

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Mara needs to sack up and do what he should have done 2 years ago. He needs to clean out the scouts, get his brother out of a player personnel position and hire people from outside "the Giants family" to run the football operations. I was furious when he got together with Accorsi to just hire the guy that lost the job to Reese in 2007. He came in spewing arrogant cliches about running the ball and rushing the passer yet the offensive line and pass rush are the worst in the NFL after two years in charge. They need to completely revamp this organization. No one should be safe.

This!

I didn't want us to hire him, but he's done a good job of setting this team up for the future.
He's had good drafts, and got rid of bad contracts. He's signed a couple of stop gaps that alot of people got annoyed by, but that's only cause they refused to accept that were building for the future, not to win now.
I didn't like giving up a 3rd Rd pick, but tcould still prove me wrong.

Were moving in the right direction, and I'm excited about where DG is taking us.

but how else can you explain all the recent dupe accounts defending him?

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but how else can you explain all the recent dupe accounts defending him?

You know that the Giants do have people reading the site, whether they admit it or not...

And any multi billion dollar organization wants to control the narrative... It would not surprise me at all if the Giants themselves have created some of these dupes so that they can try to control the narrative.

It's not working though.

Using that pick on a RB who isn't a difference maker has set everything that followed it in motion.

My hope is that just Shurmur goes and a new HC comes in and the offense is the same system, defense with Bettcher. Why? Cause changing everything from year to year in the NFL is tough. This is a young team and has upside.

We will have a completely new defense next year in terms of starters. The offense needs a LT and a better TE than Ellison for that money at a minimum.

I think Slayton can be a superb starter.

...I still think he has a plan and I'd like to see him carry it out. The guy has freed up such an incredible amount of cap space and picked what appears to a QB this team can build around with people laughing in his face. I like that we don't hear from him and I believe in building the lines first. Are they the best players? Hard to say because the coaching is so terrible...but you can't say he hasn't tried.

Shurmer was a bad hire...and one that shouldn't be taken lightly...but it's not like there was a stud coach waiting for a job and he ignored him. If he keeps Shurmer? Than count me in the camp of getting rid of him.

someone needs to walk the plank for the strategy of getting rid of whatever talent this team had and spending the #2 pick on a rb and the #6 pick on a mid-first round talent. Most teams find RB in later rounds; he had a qb under contract; there was no necessity of reaching with the #6 pick. This team was not ready for either position as there were many other needs. He chose otherwise; if it is not working out, he needs to pay for his choice of strategies.

I don't give a shit about cap space. Giving Gettlemen cap space is like throwing dollars out the window: the money will be spent on guys other teams don't want to pay. This team is too far away to think that signing a free agent or two is going to make a huge difference.

In comment 14697915 Gmen703 said:

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In comment 14697894 .McL. said: Quote: In comment 14697670 Thankyoueli said: Quote: We've been strapped with a bajillion dollars in dead money from getting rid of bad contracts the last 2 years... Kinda hard to overhaul an entire team with 2 drafts and barely any money... he hasnt been amazing by any stretch but this could be a whole hell of a lot worse. I'm not entirely opposed to a new GM but theres no chance, if we were even considering it no way Mara wouldve let DG do the Williams trade. Apparently the Gettleman apologist simply can't read. This will be something like the 3rd time I have had to post this. I see Gettleman apologists say he had little cap room to fix our problems. Lets take a look at how Gettleman has utilized the cap for 2019 season. Current Players: Gettleman has responsibility for all underlined contracts, the bolded ones are bad ones IMHO: Eli Manning QB $23,200,000 (17M could have been freed if he were cut before the roster bonus) Janoris Jenkins CB $14,750,000 Nate Solder LT $12,000,000 Alec Ogletree ILB $11,750,000 Saquon Barkley RB $7,089,716 Golden Tate WR $6,270,587 Kareem Martin OLB $5,941,666 Kevin Zeitler G $5,000,000 Antoine Bethea FS $3,625,000 Leonard Williams DE $3,517,647 (this is bad more for the picks than the money) Sterling Shepard WR $3,391,455 A couple of other questionable contracts Spencer Pulley C $2,675,000 questionable because he traded away Brett Jones to avoid paying his 3M salary, BJ is better than Halapio and Pulley Mike Remmers RT $2,500,000 Dead cap money: Gettleman made all these decisions, the underlined ones were contracts he also gave out: Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000 Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000 Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000 Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000 Eli Apple CB $2,304,968 Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500 Olsen Pierre DE $934,375 Bennie Fowler WR $735,000 Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000 Connor Barwin OLB $365,000 Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824 Sean Chandler S $305,097 + 42 bottom of the roster players churned that cost another $3,141,443 The team has a total of 40M dead cap space, Gettleman is 100% responsible for 26.6M of that 40M. Add to that 26.6M these bad contracts who are all serious under performers: Solder Olgetree Martin Bethae Remmers Martin (on IR so not performing at all, but was thoroughly unimpressive) Also I add Tate who while not under-performing is not part of the long term solution at his age After these additions the bad money spent is 68.7M. Add in $17M for Eli to ride the pine, up to 85.7M+ And this is up for debate by some here, but I think paying a RB 7M is crazy. DG has also restructured contracts pushing about 10M of this year's space into the future - 5M each on Solder and Zeitler (7.5M restructured for each but 2.5M each still hits this year) So that is 92.7M+ in cap space that was unwisely spent by DG, plus the 10M kicked down the road makes it really 102.7M. Saying unwisely is about as mildly as I can state it. So, I think we can conclude that DG had plenty of cap space, he just spent it badly. The "crippling" contracts have been of Gettleman's own making! The Center situation from trading away Jones to insisting on Halapio was just stupid mishandling of the roster. Then of course there is the LW trade, picks from 2020 so that the team can sit one of his 2018 3rd rounders... Lets not forget the Stewart signing... These are the kinds of decisions this GM makes. Whatever cap space opens up next year will likely be squandered just like the $102.7+M that was squandered on this years team. This is the guy you want back for round 3? Any new HC you want to be saddled with this guy? #SuperFacts

Let's all conveniently forget that everyone in the organization from the top down went into this whole post Macadoo/Reese shenanigan with a win now for Eli mandate that very clearly came from the top. The vast majority of what you just listed above can be tied directly back to that.

As a result its hard to look at much of the above and make a case that Gettleman has had a free hand to this point. If he stays he's going to have as close to one as anyone is going to get short of Mara hiring a president of football operations. Anyone banking on that? If everyone gets fired, more of the same Mara nonsense is a far more likely outcome than the course this team has been on changing.

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I like that we don't hear from him and I believe in building the lines first. Are they the best players? Hard to say because the coaching is so terrible...but you can't say he hasn't tried.

This is laughable. He deserves to stay because he has tried to build the team in the trenches? Reese tried too. Good lord. How about Mara hires a damn GM that can actually do it?

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but he will. Because as evidenced by the past 7 years, the Giants have no idea what they're doing.

Sadly, this is the right answer.

Gets another year mook Murmur is gone

In comment 14698290 Paulie Walnuts said:

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Gets another year mook Murmur is gone

But why does he get another year?

What has he done that he deserves to hire ANOTHER coach.

He already failed miserably hiring the first one.

In comment 14697915 Gmen703 said:

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In comment 14697894 .McL. said: Quote: In comment 14697670 Thankyoueli said: Quote: We've been strapped with a bajillion dollars in dead money from getting rid of bad contracts the last 2 years... Kinda hard to overhaul an entire team with 2 drafts and barely any money... he hasnt been amazing by any stretch but this could be a whole hell of a lot worse. I'm not entirely opposed to a new GM but theres no chance, if we were even considering it no way Mara wouldve let DG do the Williams trade. Apparently the Gettleman apologist simply can't read. This will be something like the 3rd time I have had to post this. I see Gettleman apologists say he had little cap room to fix our problems. Lets take a look at how Gettleman has utilized the cap for 2019 season. Current Players: Gettleman has responsibility for all underlined contracts, the bolded ones are bad ones IMHO: Eli Manning QB $23,200,000 (17M could have been freed if he were cut before the roster bonus) Janoris Jenkins CB $14,750,000 Nate Solder LT $12,000,000 Alec Ogletree ILB $11,750,000 Saquon Barkley RB $7,089,716 Golden Tate WR $6,270,587 Kareem Martin OLB $5,941,666 Kevin Zeitler G $5,000,000 Antoine Bethea FS $3,625,000 Leonard Williams DE $3,517,647 (this is bad more for the picks than the money) Sterling Shepard WR $3,391,455 A couple of other questionable contracts Spencer Pulley C $2,675,000 questionable because he traded away Brett Jones to avoid paying his 3M salary, BJ is better than Halapio and Pulley Mike Remmers RT $2,500,000 Dead cap money: Gettleman made all these decisions, the underlined ones were contracts he also gave out: Odell Beckham, Jr. WR $16,000,000 Olivier Vernon OLB $8,000,000 Damon Harrison DT $3,200,000 Patrick Omameh G $3,000,000 Eli Apple CB $2,304,968 Alex Tanney QB $1,112,500 Olsen Pierre DE $934,375 Bennie Fowler WR $735,000 Eric Tomlinson TE $720,000 Connor Barwin OLB $365,000 Nathan Stupar OLB $338,824 Sean Chandler S $305,097 + 42 bottom of the roster players churned that cost another $3,141,443 The team has a total of 40M dead cap space, Gettleman is 100% responsible for 26.6M of that 40M. Add to that 26.6M these bad contracts who are all serious under performers: Solder Olgetree Martin Bethae Remmers Martin (on IR so not performing at all, but was thoroughly unimpressive) Also I add Tate who while not under-performing is not part of the long term solution at his age After these additions the bad money spent is 68.7M. Add in $17M for Eli to ride the pine, up to 85.7M+ And this is up for debate by some here, but I think paying a RB 7M is crazy. DG has also restructured contracts pushing about 10M of this year's space into the future - 5M each on Solder and Zeitler (7.5M restructured for each but 2.5M each still hits this year) So that is 92.7M+ in cap space that was unwisely spent by DG, plus the 10M kicked down the road makes it really 102.7M. Saying unwisely is about as mildly as I can state it. So, I think we can conclude that DG had plenty of cap space, he just spent it badly. The "crippling" contracts have been of Gettleman's own making! The Center situation from trading away Jones to insisting on Halapio was just stupid mishandling of the roster. Then of course there is the LW trade, picks from 2020 so that the team can sit one of his 2018 3rd rounders... Lets not forget the Stewart signing... These are the kinds of decisions this GM makes. Whatever cap space opens up next year will likely be squandered just like the $102.7+M that was squandered on this years team. This is the guy you want back for round 3? Any new HC you want to be saddled with this guy? #SuperFacts

+2. Fantastic post, although I am still OK with DG taking Barkley. I think most of his problems are related to the OL. He was simply too good last year to make me think otherwise.

seen plenty of running backs over the years be very good one year, even their rookie year, and terrible the next.

People somehow keep betting on Barkley being an exception to the rule.

The Giants need their heads examined if they give Barkley a huge extension at any point. He could stand on his head for 2 straight years and I still wouldn't do it.

he’s done nothing to earn another year. Giving up a top 3 3rd round pick for a rental in a 2-10 year is pure malpractice. The FA signings are even worse.

Let’s clean house and bring in a non-dinosaur to run the team.

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