The unspoken BBI narrative about Daniel Jones

me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

is going to be special it will be with another franchise. Mara has completely ran this one into the ground. I could see McVay looking to trade for Jones because Goff looks terrible.

In comment 14698100 Eric from BBI said:

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me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

Agreed Eric. Maybe it is the times we live in, but I just don't understand what folks want out of a rookie year against defensive schemes and adjustments he has never seen.

today. he was noticeably gimping the whole second half. beyond that i think (hope) that it's more shurmur's incompetence that is holding him and the rest of the offense back.

but it's entirely possible he is just slightly above average with a fumbling problem. of course the one game he doesn't lose a fumble is the game he throws three god awful picks.

just too much stink around him. Especially the head coach.

In comment 14698100 Eric from BBI said:

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me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

I agree. I also think it’s way too early for these discussions. He’s neither a phenom nor does he look like a bust. We’ll know more next season but I think with the right system he can be a real player in this league.

I still see the "holy crap" plays from him, even when are for lesser yardage to keep a drive alive.

Right now, I'll take the interceptions over the fumbles. (Weird progress)

Eli used to pile up interceptions at the end of games because he didn't play it safe. Jones did that today.

In comment 14698111 japanhead said:

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today. he was noticeably gimping the whole second half. beyond that i think (hope) that it's more shurmur's incompetence that is holding him and the rest of the offense back. but it's entirely possible he is just slightly above average with a fumbling problem. of course the one game he doesn't lose a fumble is the game he throws three god awful picks.

The beat reporters said Jones was really limping in the locker room.

Don't forget he's working with a horrible OL, few playmakers, & an incompetent coach.

But the play calling is the worse I have ever seen.

So bad....that I almost, believe that is might be intential.....which is crazy, right?

In comment 14698100 Eric from BBI said:

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me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

^This.

Below average WR
Below average OL
Below average TE
A hurt RB

Can’t make chicken soup with chicken shit.

Other than Mahommes who in the last 5 years shows he migh be a super star in the Brady Brees Rodgers realm. Sure those are all 1 st Ballot HOFers. After those 3 Wilson has seems to come into his own near that group art that it’s.......


This year it’s Lamar Jackson who looks very good to great but I’d like about 2-3 full seasons of wow please. Can we get Jones a coach who isn’t so married to scheme please. Greg Roman come on down before we crap all over this kid.

Also I’ve read over and over all you need is to me mobile and run some

But I could why scouts weren’t high on him as a high first round pick. He’s arm is average at best, which limits his ceiling. I think we can win with him, but we need to build a solid foundation.

As I was after preseason. I think he’s played as well as a rookie QB could in this situation. His oline has stunk, none of his weapons have been healthy at one time, he is continually behind the sticks, the scheme is increasingly predictable, and he’s getting zero help from the defense.

I’m not worried about Jones at all.

BBI folks think every player should go. This is after every loss. Jones is the one Very Big Win for DG. He has great poise under pressure and he is getting valuable experience on a young team. I think we need more pieces but you don’t win in this league without a good QB.

is the goods. Not a doubt in my mind. Kid has the talent and is a gamer. He can win super bowls in this league. Of course, he's a rookie and his team is pure shit but the spark is there.

He has...
1. Maybe the worst offensive line in the league
2. Maybe the worst play calling coach in the league (per BBI)
3. He has had a backup TE for many of his starts
4. He really does not have a #1 WR and his decent #2 WRs have been hurt on a rotational basis.
5. The defense sucks so he as been playing from behind in too many must pass situations.

Meanwhile...
1. He throws an accurate ball
2. He stands in there and take his hits
3. He has moved the chains for us with his legs.
4. He may be responsible for the two wins that we have.
5. Most of our losses were not his fault.
6. He is a rookie

What did I miss?

young QB is going to do that especially on a lousy team that's behind most of the time and has WR who get little separation. His touch and accuracy on some of these throws even when under pressure continues to blow me away. The Shepard TD today, the Tate TD last week. Could not reasonably ask for more from a rookie IMO.

He’s more or less all alone out there. Hope they can get him some help from the gm on down.

In comment 14698100 Eric from BBI said:

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me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

+1 he has 18 TDS to 11picks, with 3 today, a terrible group of play makers and an awful OL. There are major coaching gaps holding up his development.

In comment 14698100 Eric from BBI said:

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me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

Agreed. I think he can light it up with a great playcaller and a solid oline

optimistic about him.

He has flashed some decent accuracy and good wheels.

He is inconsistent however. I'm not sure why people are so certain he can be special. I think he is most likely a mid tier QB. You can win with the guy like that but it is so much easier to win with a top-6 guy. I think it is unlikely he develops into that kind of player. Hope I am wrong.

In comment 14698136 Carl in CT said:

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Below average WR Below average OL Below average TE A hurt RB Can’t make chicken soup with chicken shit.

Below average is probably generous. This a complete bottom tier supporting cast

You have been banging this drum all year. What do you want? Do you want us to draft a qb with our first pick? 5jen guess what? The OL or Edge or whatever we really need gets ignored.

Up until today, Daniels big weakness was protecting the ball. Yes he has thrown a few pics but nothing to be alarmed over. Today he had 3 in horrendous weather with all 3 receivers rookies and a suspect OL with no running game for the most part.

Maybe your expectations for a rookie qb on a lousy team needs to be re-evaluated. Remember the big 4 from last year:
Mayfield...okay last year, stinks this year
Rosen....stunk and now benched
Darnold....mediocre both years except for 3 games
Allen...not good last year, finally improving.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with questioning him but sometimes you just have to be patient and give the kid some space and time. You are judging every pass every game every turnover like he is a seasoned veteran playing on a good team with plenty of sexy toys to play with.

Sexy toys:
Scott
Smith
Slayton
Latimer

him most is he does not look lost often, and overall he makes the right decision. Just needs to continue to learn, learning and growing is the key.

Last two ints were due to him overthrowing his receivers. Maybe his ankle injury caused the over throws.

6 sacks and a pick 6 in the third quarter. Maybe Arizona should give up on him

But im not ready to declare “mission accomplished.
He has done enough in a shit situation to earn some benefit of doubt on turnovers- big play for me today was avoiding the strip and ripping it downfield.

By many fans hinge upon the last performance of a team or athlete. In the era of immediate gratification, anything less than stellar performance leads to irrational nonobjective rhetoric,

There much dialogue put forth on bbi during and following a loss that should not be taken seriously.

Thankfully the Giants did not use the standard presented in this thread to evaluate Phill Simms or Eli, has they done so They would probably be minus 4 Super Bowl Championships

Most of the pre-season scouting reports on him were wrong. Dead wrong. This guy is the real deal.

They need to get a real NFL caliber coaching staff for him, including a well-qualified QB coach, and keep building the roster around him.

I become more convinced that Daniel Jones is going to be a great QB for the Giants. Sure he's made some bad rookie mistakes but there are far more good plays than bad.

Few yards per pass, lots of negative plays and turnovers, the offense struggles to get past 20 points, and he's lost 8 out of 10 starts.

It's basically the same level of performance that got Eli benched.

There are some things to like, but the numbers are what they are. To paint them in a good light requires a lot of rationalizing and excuses.

He has not had the benefit of those plays where the receiver is running wide open Across the field. He hardly gets to have a few easy throws a game.

He has proven he can make the tight throws already.

With the right coach and offense coordinator we are looking good.

worthy of the #6 pick.

In comment 14698285 Go Terps said:

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Few yards per pass, lots of negative plays and turnovers, the offense struggles to get past 20 points, and he's lost 8 out of 10 starts. It's basically the same level of performance that got Eli benched. There are some things to like, but the numbers are what they are. To paint them in a good light requires a lot of rationalizing and excuses.

JFC. I think you're almost hoping he fails so you're right.

In comment 14698295 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 14698285 Go Terps said: Quote: Few yards per pass, lots of negative plays and turnovers, the offense struggles to get past 20 points, and he's lost 8 out of 10 starts. It's basically the same level of performance that got Eli benched. There are some things to like, but the numbers are what they are. To paint them in a good light requires a lot of rationalizing and excuses. JFC. I think you're almost hoping he fails so you're right.

Terps liked Jones before the draft and liked the pick when they made it (with the caveat that it came with Eli being cut). I remember that distinctly.

The Giants are fine at QB. He's a rookie making rookie mistakes. Is he a generational talent coming out of college? Far from it. But he has shown he can play in this league. They need to focus on the million and one holes on this roster, as well as the coaching staff. Shurmur was the supposed QB whisperer, but he is the HC. Trent Dilfer made mention of this with Wentz. Reich and DeFilippo left town and his mechanics and decision making went in the toilet. Trent says that Pederson is good with QBs, but he is the HC and cannot work with him the way he needs to. Shurmur is the HC, but his focus, supposedly, is on the entire team. He does not have the bandwidth to work on one player. And I have no idea how much Shula is helping Jones.

In comment 14698293 bw in dc said:

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worthy of the #6 pick.

How about....
Mayfield
Darnold
Rosen
Allen

Are you ready to give up on them too?

He’s tough & an above-average athlete at the position. If everyone thinks Shurmur is awful, wouldn’t we like to see Jones playing for another coach?

Also, isn’t this what we expected to see from a rookie QB? Prior to the year we talked about how it was crucial to play Jones ASAP to get through his lumps and growing pains. That’s what is happening.

I do think it is worth noting we aren’t scoring enough. I’d like to see some more 30 plus point games (something McAdoo got pounded for).

I'm every bit as excited about his upside as I was after his strong preseason and first start.

In comment 14698308 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 14698293 bw in dc said: Quote: worthy of the #6 pick. How about.... Mayfield Darnold Rosen Allen Are you ready to give up on them too?

Who said give up? Right now, things are going in the wrong direction for Jones.

they are not going in any direction for Jones.

He's right where he should be. Probably ahead of where we thought's he'd be.

Jones played in a brutal weather game with a limited supporting cast & bad ankle.

He’s far from perfect, but he had a few “it” moments today in shitty conditions. That throw to Slayton which was called back was gorgeous.

As long as they get Shurmur away from him.

Bring in a competent winner as HC, a creative offensive coordinator and an actual QB coach to work with Jones every day and things will be better.

He made some throws today that were awesome.

What Jones is truly until next season

How's Mayfield looking this year?

that position is naturally a security blanket for a young QB like SF, KC, Balt. Or a 6'9 Plaxico will do.

last 8 QBRs (most recent first):

25, 51, 73, 29, 49, 29, 24, 27.

50 is considered league average.


Last 8 YPA:

6.5, 4.2, 7.7, 5.1, 7.9, 6.4, 5.2, 4.8.

7.5+ is where you want to be.

So the trend line is much more bearish right now...

In comment 14698100 Eric from BBI said:

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me crazy, but I'm still very high on Daniel Jones. I think he can be special.

You're not crazy, Eric. Jones is the real deal IMO. I like his arm, mobility, and his coolness. I think he does extremely well getting the ball downfield with a porous O line. I say this despite his three INT's today. Over time he'll learn to read coverages better and he's already concentrating on holding the ball when hit. Next year I anticipate the O line to be improved as well as quality of his targets. There's hope for the future. If the Giants get the 1st overall pick, they should select an edge rusher, LT, or center rather than Burrow or any other quarterback.

nevermind an actual good OL. Right now this team has quite possibly the worst OL in the league. OL matters.