And so it begins, players questioning coaches

that it was Jenkins. Amazing this loser survived the ongoing Gettleman purge.

But he shouldn’t be saying it

In comment 14698391 bceagle05 said:

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that it was Jenkins. Amazing this loser survived the ongoing Gettleman purge.

either way, both rabbit and bettch are likely gone next year

The DC is not the Giants problem though. The HC is the problem. The DC works for the HC. The HC is in charge of the whole team not just calling the horrible plays.

in another thread a few hours ago.
Rabbit Doesn't Travel Anymore - ( New Window )

but Jenkins isn't a top corner anymore so the fact that he doesn't "travel" is probably a good thing. Let's go back to the footage in Tampa when the only thing that stopped Evans was the end zone.

And when you have rookie corners on the field, you are going to see offenses go after them. That's part of the deal.

Still, I would expect to hear more "unnamed" sources in the remaining few weeks questioning this staff. But perhaps it's just part of the historic youth the Giants have, or whatever nonsense Shurmur was spewing.

the way they're doing it now gives the young defensive backs valuable experience covering better players.

surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins?

He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

it would also help if he didn't commit his PI or hold weekly and then perform a phantom tackle or two.

For the second week in a row he took a boneheaded penalty on 3rd down when they made a stop. Against the Bears instead of punting they were awarded a 1st down and scored a TD on the very next play. He's made similar mistakes this year.

Im sure there are a lot of players questioning the coaches but jenkins is the only one with balls to say anything

In comment 14698403 Eric from BBI said:

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surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins? He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

Agreed, I have no idea why they didn't move him at the deadline.

In comment 14698400 Matt in SGS said:

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but Jenkins isn't a top corner anymore so the fact that he doesn't "travel" is probably a good thing. Let's go back to the footage in Tampa when the only thing that stopped Evans was the end zone. And when you have rookie corners on the field, you are going to see offenses go after them. That's part of the deal. Still, I would expect to hear more "unnamed" sources in the remaining few weeks questioning this staff. But perhaps it's just part of the historic youth the Giants have, or whatever nonsense Shurmur was spewing.

Barkley's questioning the practices.

In comment 14698395 arniefez said:

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The DC is not the Giants problem though. The HC is the problem. The DC works for the HC. The HC is in charge of the whole team not just calling the horrible plays.

No Bettcher is a problem. His defenses suck. Really suck.

Agreed, Engram has no future with this team, that I can see

n comment 14698403 Eric from BBI said:

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surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins? He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

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The fans are questioning the coaches, the media is questioning the coaches, I’m sure the players have been for quite some time. This is what happens when you spend 28 games making stupid decisions, bad play calls and rolling out bad game plans.

Shurmur has lost the team, its obvious by their play.

In comment 14698418 morrison40 said:

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Agreed, Engram has no future with this team, that I can see n comment 14698403 Eric from BBI said: Quote: surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins? He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

Don't be surprised if he is traded before the draft. It will make the decision on his 5th year option another team's decision.

Had some “business decisions” under McAdoo in 2017 & last year as well. He also gave up 3 td to Mike Evans in Tampa.

I agree with Eric, not sure why he wasn’t traded. Anyone and everyone who spoke out ever in the media was jettisoned by DG. Not sure how he survived.

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he won’t be back next year.

In the post game criticized a defensive that keeps putting players, in this case Haley, in situations where they cannot succeed.

...and I have no problem whatsoever that he came out and said that.

It's not like this team is in a tight race and any dissension would be an unwanted distraction.

In comment 14698426 joeinpa said:

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In the post game criticized a defensive that keeps putting players, in this case Haley, in situations where they cannot succeed.

Exactly.

It's like Betcher wants to expose Grant Haley.

I say: WTF???

Remember back to the offseason when the coaches and FO were discussing why they brought Jenkins back. They raved about his leadership and value as a mentor for the young DB's. I don't think this is what they envisioned.

In comment 14698426 joeinpa said:

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In the post game criticized a defensive that keeps putting players, in this case Haley, in situations where they cannot succeed.

It's a great question. Why have they kept sending Bethea out there all season long when he's getting beaten badly every week?

...shit show.

And don't worry about him if the Giants cut bait.

He's a high-end cover guy and he will be starting next season, hopefully with a franchise that isn't wallowing in its own ineptitude.

bettcher has been as awful with the defense as shurmur has been with the offense. the team is 2-10 for a reason and it's not because jenkins is some kind of has been. jenkins is the best player in the secondary and by a long shot. people want him gone because he made an obvious point in a lost season when the team is about to lose out?

the coaching is so bad it's criminal.

But he is a quitter and a loser and I am shocked they allowed him to hang around and poison the minds of our young DBs. He obviously quit in 2017 and I will never respect him after witnessing that.

Also - he is the only one inside or outside the Giants org that considers him a top corner.

In comment 14698403 Eric from BBI said:

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surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins? He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

Because their coaching and GMing for their jobs. Same reason they trade for soon to be free agent Leonard Williams, completely short term win now to save my ass actions

In comment 14698432 M.S. said:

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Exactly. It's like Betcher wants to expose Grant Haley. I say: WTF???

IF BY EXPOSE, DO YOU MEAN PUT A GUY THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON AN NFL ROSTER ON THE FIELD AFTER THE ROOKIE NICKEL WAS CONCUSSED?

HALEY SUCKS IN MAN, HE SUCKS IN ZONE.

One of the best corners this team has had, continues to play at a high level even as he ages. Has always been strong tackler and puts is nose in there to support the run. He has a couple whiff tackles here and there and y’all act like he is trash.

In comment 14698473 Scuzzlebutt said:

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But he is a quitter and a loser and I am shocked they allowed him to hang around and poison the minds of our young DBs. He obviously quit in 2017 and I will never respect him after witnessing that. Also - he is the only one inside or outside the Giants org that considers him a top corner.

jenkins is the one who was trying to mentor baker by making him aware of the importance of taking mental reps in preseason when he was hurt. baker apparently blew him off.

more than half the team quit in 2017, it's the reason there was a coach and gm change, with various players shipped off. if jenkins were poison as you claim, why would the new regime have kept him around? im not saying he's perfect but he is the best DB on the team and the point he made about bettcher is on point.

if the giants part ways with him you think he's not going to get multiple offers from other teams? get real man.

WTF? He's been a liability in run support his whole career. It's part of the reason the Giants were able to get him in the first place. I would bet Shurmur and Bettcher lobied DG not to trade him, because of all the youth in the secondary.

Show Mara the captain has lost control of the ship. Only way to right the ship.

In comment 14698403 Eric from BBI said:

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surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins? He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

Eric, you still need a willing trade partner. If another team wanted both Jenkins and Engram at a fair price, we would have traded.

Maybe we were offered very little. Should we have taken ANY offer? I am sure you know what this place would be like if we only got a 6th round pick for Jenkins and a 5th for Engram.

We'd have saved a few dollars this year and just played our youth more.

I don't see Jenkins on this team next year anyway. Unless we get a new coaching staff which we will.

Jenkins gets taken to the shed when he's the primary cover on a big dog WR.

He's actually been player much, much better since Bettcher hasn't been moving him.

Jenkins is a total IQ test. He's been terrible for almost 3 years now, and getting paid like an All Pro.

In comment 14698403 Eric from BBI said:

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surprised? And anyone surprised that it is Jenkins? He's not wrong. But I still don't understand why they didn't trade him. They'll lament that and not moving Evan Engram.

Fuck that. He's sick of the bullshit. He has shitty bosses and he's stuck in a bad situation. Reminds me of the military. They should have moved on Engram, he is not worth the second contract he'll be seeking.

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In comment 14698473 Scuzzlebutt said: Quote: But he is a quitter and a loser and I am shocked they allowed him to hang around and poison the minds of our young DBs. He obviously quit in 2017 and I will never respect him after witnessing that. Also - he is the only one inside or outside the Giants org that considers him a top corner. jenkins is the one who was trying to mentor baker by making him aware of the importance of taking mental reps in preseason when he was hurt. baker apparently blew him off. more than half the team quit in 2017, it's the reason there was a coach and gm change, with various players shipped off. if jenkins were poison as you claim, why would the new regime have kept him around? im not saying he's perfect but he is the best DB on the team and the point he made about bettcher is on point. if the giants part ways with him you think he's not going to get multiple offers from other teams? get real man.

Jenkins was one of the main ringleaders among the quitters in 2017. Just because others quit doesn’t make it ok. After one game of purposely not covering or tackling even the media was calling him out on it.

I am sure he will get signed elsewhere in the league when he leaves the Giants, but that doesn’t mean his is a top corner. There are many examples of loser players hanging around the league on multiple teams for years. It does not change the fact that he is an average CB at best. He is a quitter and a loser. There is ample evidence to support both of those claims.

In comment 14698717 christian said:

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Jenkins gets taken to the shed when he's the primary cover on a big dog WR. He's actually been player much, much better since Bettcher hasn't been moving him. Jenkins is a total IQ test. He's been terrible for almost 3 years now, and getting paid like an All Pro.

Jenkins isn't the top corner like when he got here, but even at his age he's way better than what we have currently.

Why do you think the Rams let him walk?

the defensive gameplan today was quite simply moronic. The Packers have ONE good receiver. The Giants have one halfway decent corner. Most teams would either put their best corner on the opponent's best receiver or use their weaker corner with ample safety (or in some cases, another corner or LB) help. The Giants chose to do neither. Rookies were manned up with Adams frequently with no help.

In comment 14698732 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 14698717 christian said: Quote: Jenkins gets taken to the shed when he's the primary cover on a big dog WR. He's actually been player much, much better since Bettcher hasn't been moving him. Jenkins is a total IQ test. He's been terrible for almost 3 years now, and getting paid like an All Pro. Jenkins isn't the top corner like when he got here, but even at his age he's way better than what we have currently.

Janoris Jenkins was statistically dreadful last year.

He was targeted 101 times and gave up 63 catches. He had a 98 passer rating against. He gave up 6 TDs and 780+ yards.

Then this year in 2/3 first games he's actually following the lead guy at Buffalo and at Tampa and gives up 105 and 184 yards respectively.

If he's going to get popped for 100+ yards, and take 10+ targets, no way should he be the primary cover on the man guy.

And, who wants to defend the bettcher

In comment 14698395 arniefez said:

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The DC is not the Giants problem though. The HC is the problem. The DC works for the HC. The HC is in charge of the whole team not just calling the horrible plays.

Seriously? He’s a big part of the problem. he and Shurmur are neck neck. He’s full as big a fucking moron as his boss. Scheme over all else. Another McAdoo. A guy with preconceived ideas that suck and no matter how much his schemes fail its the players always. Again and again. Devoid of talent. Hey guys go elsewhere and get better. This is a replay of Lewis and Sheridan. The good news is we should be rid of both soon enough.

He would get burned. He is not a top cover CB anymore. Expose him for what he is: AVERAGE
DG should have traded him!!!

In comment 14699031 Rick in Dallas said:

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He would get burned. He is not a top cover CB anymore. Expose him for what he is: AVERAGE DG should have traded him!!!

Are Grant Haley, Sam Beal, DeAndre Baker, or Corey Ballantine even average in single coverage against a player of Devante Adams' caliber? Of course not. That's why the DC is a moron. Jenkins is hardly Deion Sanders in his prime, but it's almost unfair to use these other guys the way they were used yesterday.

The DC is 100% incompetent. A horror show. But the HC is a bigger problem. A good HC would have stepped in and forced his DC to make changes. The DC is not the Giants biggest coaching problem he is symptom of the HC.