I thought there was a chance that Shurmur would stay with him relinquishing play-calling and Bettcher taking the fall. Now? I don't think there is anything that can save them.
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Oh and by the way, he was our back up QB from 2000 to 2003
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Accorsi would definitely pick John Fox
Boy would that suck!
Better mean Mara is open to changing how the NYG operate Â
Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
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Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB
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Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
He was also drafted by the Giants and played a series in SB XXXVII when Collins got knocked out of the game.
You have to factor in how coaching candidates will view him. Do they agree with Gettleman’s philosophy? Will they want to take a job where a 69 year old GM who’s already failed with one coach will be buying the groceries? The Giants are going to have a super high draft pick here, possibly #1 overall. That’s a big opportunity for a new coach.
Any serious, high profile candidate will most likely want say over personnel and will want to work with their own trusted staff.
Of course that’s not the “Giant Way” so we’ll probably settle for a desperate candidate who’s willing to accept the existing framework.
and all this talk about looking good in practice and now excuses about a young roster says he knows his job is anything but secure.
Yes, there is that. And we've noticed on BBI that in recent weeks, the Giants broadcast team has taken pretty pointed shots at Shurmur. And it's coming from all angles, we've seen it from Papa, Banks, Diehl, etc. Usually they are not big on criticizing the coaches, but it seems like they have been turned loose more. The media smells blood. The fans have had it. Shurmur's statements, and also questioning Peppers' toughness with a broken bone in his back (it's a pain issue if he can play), the way they botched the DeOssie IR situation, etc. It all points to a head coach who is in over his head. Shurmur will never be a head coach in the NFL again. He's a solid OC, who rode the perfect wave for himself to land this job with the Giants. But his survival in 2019 depended on 2 things once he switched to Jones in Week 3
- Jones continued improvement and finishing strong
- The team and the young players getting better and more competitive down the stretch
Right now, we've seen ups and downs from Jones on point 1. On point 2, he's crashing and burning at the rate of Fassel in 2003 when the team packed up the tent. He's been out coached and the team appears to be tuning him out. You can't have a young team like this led by a coach that inspires no one. He has to go.
See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
"of jones' continued improvement." he just played the worst game of his career today, and he's looked bad against every team with a winning record. i realize he was on a bum ankle today, and certainly (arguably) having jones is more attractive to a potential coach than having eli, but i am not sure it means much one way or the other.
that said if mara ends up hiring some underachiever like garrett or mccarthy just because they have previous head coaching experience i'll shit in my hat.
Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
RE: RE: Better mean Mara is open to changing how the NYG operate Â
Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB
Last years draft looks worse every day. This year's draft has been average at best. They SHOULD have young players. the problem is that not many are any good.
See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
LOL! Like any good young coach is going to tie their legacy to Dave Gettleman and this dumpster fire of a player personnel department.
See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
LOL! Like any good young coach is going to tie their legacy to Dave Gettleman and this dumpster fire of a player personnel department.
Each to their own but typically if there is a coaching vacancy, it’s because the team was bad.. it’s not like good teams are getting rid of their coach’s.. when I look at all the other bad teams it’s us with the mist potential to turn it around the fastest.
"of jones' continued improvement." he just played the worst game of his career today, and he's looked bad against every team with a winning record. i realize he was on a bum ankle today, and certainly (arguably) having jones is more attractive to a potential coach than having eli, but i am not sure it means much one way or the other.
that said if mara ends up hiring some underachiever like garrett or mccarthy just because they have previous head coaching experience i'll shit in my hat.
The job is attractive
Top5 pick, too 2nd round pick
Low expectation
A qb that arguably has played better than all of his peers in the last 2 drafts
See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
No good coach is coming here to work under gettleman and chris mara controlling their player personnel . you would have to be a retread grateful for a 2nd chance like shurmur to tie your fate to this trainwreck .
Fully expecting the clapper to be the next head coach after the cowboys have another underperforming season.
Changes to the Giants (aka Shurmur dismissed at the end of the season)
Changes with the Giants.
Proven winner if he has Aaron Rodgers.
I think we tried some variation of this in the recent past with a guy who coached Rodgers. No thanks.
The look on Shurmur’s face when he gave the “I’m a realist” quote was all I needed to see. He knows it.
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
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Proven Winner, Cold Weather & Good QB Coach...
Proven winner if he has Aaron Rodgers.
I think we tried some variation of this in the recent past with a guy who coached Rodgers. No thanks.
Was the 'Other Guy' really that bad or was he 'black balled'...he wanted Mahomes and wanted to beach Eli...doesn't sound so bad to me...
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Oh and by the way, he was our back up QB from 2000 to 2003
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Accorsi would definitely pick John Fox
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Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
Accorsi would definitely pick John Fox
Boy would that suck!
"If we can't compromise on a Brexit, we at least should all be able to agree on a Shurmexit."
This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB
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Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB
To each their own.
And Shurmer just loses and loses.
They have to go
Say...this Garrett fellow looks like he's going to win the NFC East. That'll be a coup to bring him in here and steal him from Dallas. He's a Princeton lad you know...
He was also drafted by the Giants and played a series in SB XXXVII when Collins got knocked out of the game.
Any serious, high profile candidate will most likely want say over personnel and will want to work with their own trusted staff.
Of course that’s not the “Giant Way” so we’ll probably settle for a desperate candidate who’s willing to accept the existing framework.
If mara wants a chance at a top up and comer or maybe evebn harbaugh for example they are going to want a lot more control
Yes, there is that. And we've noticed on BBI that in recent weeks, the Giants broadcast team has taken pretty pointed shots at Shurmur. And it's coming from all angles, we've seen it from Papa, Banks, Diehl, etc. Usually they are not big on criticizing the coaches, but it seems like they have been turned loose more. The media smells blood. The fans have had it. Shurmur's statements, and also questioning Peppers' toughness with a broken bone in his back (it's a pain issue if he can play), the way they botched the DeOssie IR situation, etc. It all points to a head coach who is in over his head. Shurmur will never be a head coach in the NFL again. He's a solid OC, who rode the perfect wave for himself to land this job with the Giants. But his survival in 2019 depended on 2 things once he switched to Jones in Week 3
- Jones continued improvement and finishing strong
- The team and the young players getting better and more competitive down the stretch
Right now, we've seen ups and downs from Jones on point 1. On point 2, he's crashing and burning at the rate of Fassel in 2003 when the team packed up the tent. He's been out coached and the team appears to be tuning him out. You can't have a young team like this led by a coach that inspires no one. He has to go.
that said if mara ends up hiring some underachiever like garrett or mccarthy just because they have previous head coaching experience i'll shit in my hat.
At least 2-5 idiotic calls per game where you’re screaming at the TV.. Routinely out coached. Not someone you run through a brick wall for...
We need that kind of guy. A real force at HC, a true inspiration as the head man. An innovator.
I can’t help but shake Eric’s first impression of him, “milque toast”... I didn’t want to believe that, but it has played out exactly that way.
worst run franchise in the league
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
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Dumping DG and PS would be a welcomed breath of fresh air. Those 2 assholes have somehow gotten the franchise in a worse place today than when they got here.
This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB
Last years draft looks worse every day. This year's draft has been average at best. They SHOULD have young players. the problem is that not many are any good.
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See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
LOL! Like any good young coach is going to tie their legacy to Dave Gettleman and this dumpster fire of a player personnel department.
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See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
LOL! Like any good young coach is going to tie their legacy to Dave Gettleman and this dumpster fire of a player personnel department.
Each to their own but typically if there is a coaching vacancy, it’s because the team was bad.. it’s not like good teams are getting rid of their coach’s.. when I look at all the other bad teams it’s us with the mist potential to turn it around the fastest.
that said if mara ends up hiring some underachiever like garrett or mccarthy just because they have previous head coaching experience i'll shit in my hat.
The job is attractive
Top5 pick, too 2nd round pick
Low expectation
A qb that arguably has played better than all of his peers in the last 2 drafts
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See a lot top candidates wanting to come here.. we have jones and Barkley with lots of young players who have played valuable minutes. Plus we are looking at a very high draft pick with a considerable amount of cap space.. seems like a good situation to me for an incoming coach
I would say so. This seems despite the record to be a favorable situation for a new coach.
No good coach is coming here to work under gettleman and chris mara controlling their player personnel . you would have to be a retread grateful for a 2nd chance like shurmur to tie your fate to this trainwreck .
Fully expecting the clapper to be the next head coach after the cowboys have another underperforming season.