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Mike Florio: “whispers around the league change is coming”

Ben in Tampa : 12/1/2019 7:47 pm
On FNiA

I don’t know if that’s total bullshit speculation, or if word is getting out the Giants are putting together their coaching list.

Let’s hope the decision has been made and Shurmur is out.
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RE: RE: i am not sure the job is attractive bc  
Greg from LI : 12/1/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14698665 huygens20 said:
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A qb that arguably has played better than all of his peers in the last 2 drafts


Lamar Jackson is probably going to win MVP this year, soooooooo......
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Banks : 12/1/2019 8:48 pm : link
We have several young and talented players at skill positions and potential in the young defensive players. They are also owned by guys that are fairly lenient on their coaches. I dont think they will have a problem attracting coaches.

Shurmur needs to go. I dont know what he brings. The offense is putrid. It has gotten even worse this year and his decisions as a head coach are often mind boggling. Today sounded like a home game for the packers. Ownership surely noticed the empty seats
I think Jones will be a fine QB  
jvm52106 : 12/1/2019 8:48 pm : link
and anyone who uses todays game as a sign he isn't the guy isn't being realistic. Jones made some nice throws, showed nice ball awareness when being rushed and ball security as well as good movement even with a bad ankle. His Ints were misses and sermed to be a guy pressing. Hevis playing with 3rd and 4th string TE's, WR's that included a guy off the practice squad, a shitty Oline and A SEVERELY underperforming RB....
Clean house  
Metnut : 12/1/2019 8:48 pm : link
new coach and GM
RE: RE: RE: i am not sure the job is attractive bc  
Go Terps : 12/1/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14698671 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14698665 huygens20 said:


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A qb that arguably has played better than all of his peers in the last 2 drafts



Lamar Jackson is probably going to win MVP this year, soooooooo......


He's a wide receiver. At least he would have been on this backwards-ass team.
if we let Shurmur go it will come back and bite us. hopefully  
markky : 12/1/2019 8:50 pm : link
he doesn't end up in the NFC or worse the NFC East! he is built for this!
I want a youngish college coach  
bradshaw44 : 12/1/2019 8:54 pm : link
Like Rhule. What does it matter if he flames out? We are a flaming pile of shit anyway. Let’s give a young hot shot a chance.
RE: GiantTuff1  
GiantTuff1 : 12/1/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14698666 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm honored that you remember.


The comment stood out, as I kept hoping that his blasé nature was just maturity that was going to shine through in time, but it’s really turned out to just be him being non inspiring, through and through.
RE: Matt Rhule is the guy  
Rjanyg : 12/1/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14698662 bigblue12 said:
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I really hope Mara makes it happen.


+ 1. I think it is time to bring in a fresh face and voice. New York guy. Played for Paterno at Penn St. Turned the Baylor program around super quick, and that was a PR nightmare. This team needs to think more outside the box.

Gettleman isn’t flawless but he is not the issue. The coaches are not good. Maybe the special teams coach is decent but I am not a fan of our defensive game plans, our inability to adjust in game, our offensive identity is spread shotgun to a fault.

Staff needs to go.
NBC has the clip of Florio up on their website  
Tom in NY : 12/1/2019 8:59 pm : link
I believe I grabbed the correct one.
Florio on Shurmur - ( New Window )
I've never seen a professional head coach  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/1/2019 9:02 pm : link
Make so many excuses for losses. Never.
RE: NBC has the clip of Florio up on their website  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14698701 Tom in NY said:
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I believe I grabbed the correct one. Florio on Shurmur - ( New Window )


It's here Tom..
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/giants-pat-shurmur-could-be-nearing-end-after-loss-packers - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Matt Rhule is the guy  
AdamBrag : 12/1/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14698695 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 14698662 bigblue12 said:


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I really hope Mara makes it happen.



+ 1. I think it is time to bring in a fresh face and voice. New York guy. Played for Paterno at Penn St. Turned the Baylor program around super quick, and that was a PR nightmare. This team needs to think more outside the box.

Gettleman isn’t flawless but he is not the issue. The coaches are not good. Maybe the special teams coach is decent but I am not a fan of our defensive game plans, our inability to adjust in game, our offensive identity is spread shotgun to a fault.

Staff needs to go.


Matt Rhule's buyout on his current contract is ~$30 million. I wanted him too, but it's not happening.
I just think Florio is piling on  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 9:10 pm : link
The Giants have been throwing dirt on Shurmur for the past two weeks. Internally they've already decided, and they have their mouthpieces putting out word.

They'll end up with another HC, who wants some other parts, they'll leave Gettleman in place to go get them, and we'll be right back here in 2 years.
.  
GiantEgo : 12/1/2019 9:10 pm : link
"So you say change is coming to the Giants"

"No, I thought you said change was coming to the Giants"

RE: Gettleman has to go too  
GiantTuff1 : 12/1/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14698656 Go Terps said:
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Otherwise we're spinning our wheels.


I don’t think Gettleman needs to be let go no matter what, but the next HC absolutely should help make this call. If they don’t want to work with Gettleman, then get rid of him.

You cannot have the tail wag the dog the old archaic corporate way of the GM leading the way. That’s how you get confused visions, or a GM not completely understanding a HC’s vision for the team, or a HC not appreciating the ingredients he has to work with. I think we need to try something new.

Bring in a HC that picks the GM he wants to work with so that the two are in lockstep and finishing each other’s sentences the minute they walk in the door. The trust will be there and they’ll understand each other and make for an excellent foundation to build the organization in their joint vision.

It also makes it a lot cleaner that if the two fail, the owners will not be confused on who to pick to stay or go, they both can get wiped off the slate because they failed together. Its cleaner for all parties and holds everyone accountable to the same standard of excellence and force them to work as well as then can together.

This is why I was strongly in favor of Riddick and McDaniels last year as it was rumored those two WANTED to work with one another. I want that kind of dynamic between GM and coach.
While I would not be completely shocked if DG was fired I  
SGMen : 12/1/2019 9:16 pm : link
do doubt he will be after just two seasons when he was chained to old players (year 1); big contracts; old QB; and, little talent.

I do believe we have youth with upside. Our secondary will likely be five young guys and veteran backups. I believe D. Jones is a QB to build around. He just has to learn not to turn it over so easily, especially fumbles.
in fairness to gettleman,  
japanhead : 12/1/2019 9:17 pm : link
i think he's made every effort to accommodate his coaches and their vision. i'm no insider, but supposedly it was shurmur who wanted beckham gone. shurmur who wanted to draft lauletta. bettcher who wanted bethea and ogletree.

i don't think gettleman is just going it alone and saying fuck what his coaches want. i got the sense that that might've been the case a bit with reese/ross and coughlin, but not here.
RE: I've never seen a professional head coach  
.McL. : 12/1/2019 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14698708 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Make so many excuses for losses. Never.

It kinda goes without saying but... I bet you have never seen a head coach lose as often as Shurmur!
They should fire Gettleman as well  
moespree : 12/1/2019 9:23 pm : link
If Mara can't see that his franchise is going in the opposite direction of what the successful franchises are now doing than he's lost beyond belief. The franchise is stale, drab, stagnated.

It would serve Mara well to clean everyone out and bring in people with ZERO connection to him or the franchise for a fresh perspective without any allegiances.
Jim Harbaugh  
Earl the goat : 12/1/2019 9:27 pm : link
Will be the Giants new HC
5 years 40-50 million
Gee thanks for the tip  
Steve L : 12/1/2019 9:29 pm : link
Of course there is. This team is a shit show, embarrassment and disappointment for the third straight year. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that major changes are coming
Here is the problem with these rumors  
.McL. : 12/1/2019 9:31 pm : link
I said earlier on another thread that the Giants will want to get out in front and control the narrative.

They are going to blame it all on Shurmur. You don't see Papa, Banks and Diehl questioning the GM...

Same thing with the general media. The Giants brass are leaking what they want leaked.

Even on here, I am sure that there are some posters who truly are planted shills for the organization. I find it quite interesting just how many posters suddenly turned on PS a few weeks ago. Must have been 20 or more posters all turning on Shurmur and defending Gettleman at the same time, many (not all) of these posters are new withing the last 3 months. Of course, not all of those accounts will be plants but I think some are. It is the Giants trying to contain the fallout by controlling the narrative.

Basically, its all Shurmur's fault, he is toast, and Gettleman is safe. To quote one of my favorite TV shows...

"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
RE: in fairness to gettleman,  
christian : 12/1/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14698744 japanhead said:
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i think he's made every effort to accommodate his coaches and their vision. i'm no insider, but supposedly it was shurmur who wanted beckham gone. shurmur who wanted to draft lauletta. bettcher who wanted bethea and ogletree.

i don't think gettleman is just going it alone and saying fuck what his coaches want. i got the sense that that might've been the case a bit with reese/ross and coughlin, but not here.


Chapter 10 from the chronicles of "Dave Gettleman: How to Always Get it Wrong and It Never Be Your Fault."
RE: Here is the problem with these rumors  
jcn56 : 12/1/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14698766 .McL. said:
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I said earlier on another thread that the Giants will want to get out in front and control the narrative.

They are going to blame it all on Shurmur. You don't see Papa, Banks and Diehl questioning the GM...

Same thing with the general media. The Giants brass are leaking what they want leaked.

Even on here, I am sure that there are some posters who truly are planted shills for the organization. I find it quite interesting just how many posters suddenly turned on PS a few weeks ago. Must have been 20 or more posters all turning on Shurmur and defending Gettleman at the same time, many (not all) of these posters are new withing the last 3 months. Of course, not all of those accounts will be plants but I think some are. It is the Giants trying to contain the fallout by controlling the narrative.

Basically, its all Shurmur's fault, he is toast, and Gettleman is safe. To quote one of my favorite TV shows...

"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."


There's definitely an ExtremeSkins-y feel around here lately, particularly with all the pro-Gettleman dupes registering in the past month.
The best part about this (sarcasm)..  
Danthebigbluefan : 12/1/2019 9:37 pm : link
Is that the Giants are in such a blow it up position, again, that the whole switch to 3-4 could greatly impact and hinder who the Giants move forward with as next HC and/or GM.

Are the Mara's going to look at the partnership of Gettleman and Shurmur + Coaching Staff and provide the option to stay but fire the HC? Or will they let Gettleman make that decision?

If we keep Gettleman, you can almost certainly presume we're not hiring any HC that wants to run the 4-3 defense. We've invested way too much into 3-4 linemen.

If we let both go, then we hire a GM to hire a HC to run the 3-4? Or give them carte blanche for a full redo and risk setting back the development of Lawrence, Tomlinson, Carter, etc.?

This is such a mess.
...  
christian : 12/1/2019 9:37 pm : link
Hey, there's nothing more genuine than the handle Gettledogman.
RE: Jim Harbaugh  
Mike in Prescott : 12/1/2019 9:39 pm : link
From your lips to Mara's ears. Then maybe divine intervention to move Harbaugh out of Ann Arbor.

14698757 Earl the goat said:
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Will be the Giants new HC
5 years 40-50 million
RE: RE: RE: Matt Rhule is the guy  
Optimus-NY : 12/1/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14698726 AdamBrag said:
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In comment 14698695 Rjanyg said:


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In comment 14698662 bigblue12 said:


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I really hope Mara makes it happen.



+ 1. I think it is time to bring in a fresh face and voice. New York guy. Played for Paterno at Penn St. Turned the Baylor program around super quick, and that was a PR nightmare. This team needs to think more outside the box.

Gettleman isn’t flawless but he is not the issue. The coaches are not good. Maybe the special teams coach is decent but I am not a fan of our defensive game plans, our inability to adjust in game, our offensive identity is spread shotgun to a fault.

Staff needs to go.



Matt Rhule's buyout on his current contract is ~$30 million. I wanted him too, but it's not happening.


You don't know the specifics of his buyout though. I'd bet he has a buyout that is different for the NFL than it is for other college jobs. Rhule isn't stupid. His life goal is not to coach Baylor or college.
DG Needs to be out as well  
lax counsel : 12/1/2019 9:46 pm : link
And a head of football operations hired. Maras need to be relegated to the owners box. Let that guy come in a evaluate the entire organization, including Jones. If he feels Jones is a legit chance to be atop 5-8 qb, than keep him if he’s merely a guy who will be “fine” move on. Then make every other decision as if no one is safe. That will turn the franchise around.
RE: ...  
japanhead : 12/1/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14698779 christian said:
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Hey, there's nothing more genuine than the handle Gettledogman.


what the fuck does this even mean? i don't get it. is gettledog a reference to cattle dog? or, gettleman is a "dog" in the mold of lawrence taylor (crazed dog)?

this has to be the dumbest handle on bbi
RE: A few weeks ago,  
rnargi : 12/1/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14698498 Diver_Down said:
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I thought there was a chance that Shurmur would stay with him relinquishing play-calling and Bettcher taking the fall. Now? I don't think there is anything that can save them.


I had this exact thought. Now, it's just too late.
RE: I just think Florio is piling on  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/1/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14698730 jcn56 said:
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The Giants have been throwing dirt on Shurmur for the past two weeks. Internally they've already decided, and they have their mouthpieces putting out word.

They'll end up with another HC, who wants some other parts, they'll leave Gettleman in place to go get them, and we'll be right back here in 2 years.
This is about right..
except if you fire Gettleman and leave Chris Mara and his scouting team in place, you are not cleaning out the rot
RE: RE: ...  
.McL. : 12/1/2019 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14698801 japanhead said:
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In comment 14698779 christian said:


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Hey, there's nothing more genuine than the handle Gettledogman.



what the fuck does this even mean? i don't get it. is gettledog a reference to cattle dog? or, gettleman is a "dog" in the mold of lawrence taylor (crazed dog)?

this has to be the dumbest handle on bbi

I never read it so much as gettle dog man, as I read it as gettle dogma n
RE: RE: I just think Florio is piling on  
.McL. : 12/1/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14698821 Paulie Walnuts said:
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In comment 14698730 jcn56 said:


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The Giants have been throwing dirt on Shurmur for the past two weeks. Internally they've already decided, and they have their mouthpieces putting out word.

They'll end up with another HC, who wants some other parts, they'll leave Gettleman in place to go get them, and we'll be right back here in 2 years.

This is about right..
except if you fire Gettleman and leave Chris Mara and his scouting team in place, you are not cleaning out the rot

Very true... THe Maras neede to cede control over football decisions... Unfortunately, not going to happen...

Thus, what is past is prologue...

"All of this has happened before. And all of it will happen again."
RE: Here is the problem with these rumors  
NoGainDayne : 12/1/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14698766 .McL. said:
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I said earlier on another thread that the Giants will want to get out in front and control the narrative.

They are going to blame it all on Shurmur. You don't see Papa, Banks and Diehl questioning the GM...

Same thing with the general media. The Giants brass are leaking what they want leaked.

Even on here, I am sure that there are some posters who truly are planted shills for the organization. I find it quite interesting just how many posters suddenly turned on PS a few weeks ago. Must have been 20 or more posters all turning on Shurmur and defending Gettleman at the same time, many (not all) of these posters are new withing the last 3 months. Of course, not all of those accounts will be plants but I think some are. It is the Giants trying to contain the fallout by controlling the narrative.

Basically, its all Shurmur's fault, he is toast, and Gettleman is safe. To quote one of my favorite TV shows...

"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."


Right there with you on this. The obvious media manipulation and the posters that are enthusiastic patsies is a bit nauseating
Kris Richard...  
Capt. Don : 12/1/2019 10:12 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Matt Rhule is the guy  
bw in dc : 12/1/2019 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14698726 AdamBrag said:
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Matt Rhule's buyout on his current contract is ~$30 million. I wanted him too, but it's not happening.


That is unbelievable. Is there a carve out for specific jobs?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Matt Rhule is the guy  
Strahan91 : 12/1/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14698854 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14698726 AdamBrag said:


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Matt Rhule's buyout on his current contract is ~$30 million. I wanted him too, but it's not happening.



That is unbelievable. Is there a carve out for specific jobs?

I was under the impression that buyouts are mostly for other college jobs and there’s usually a much smaller one (if any) for NFL jobs.

Also I don’t think Rhule’s buyout is $30M. At least I can’t find that anywhere. The reports say it’s among the biggest in college football but nothing definitive on the numbers.
RE: Kris Richard...  
Jay on the Island : 12/1/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14698850 Capt. Don said:
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He's on my wishlist as well. Jim Harbaugh is at the top of my list but I think we all know ownership will steer clear of him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Matt Rhule is the guy  
bw in dc : 12/1/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14698856 Strahan91 said:
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Also I don’t think Rhule’s buyout is $30M. At least I can’t find that anywhere. The reports say it’s among the biggest in college football but nothing definitive on the numbers.


Saw the same thing. But the consensus seems to suggest that it's a big one. Top five. So $30M would fit.

Since Baylor is private it seems it doesn't have to reveal the $s.
RE: Here is the problem with these rumors  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/1/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14698766 .McL. said:
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I said earlier on another thread that the Giants will want to get out in front and control the narrative.

They are going to blame it all on Shurmur. You don't see Papa, Banks and Diehl questioning the GM...

Same thing with the general media. The Giants brass are leaking what they want leaked.

Even on here, I am sure that there are some posters who truly are planted shills for the organization. I find it quite interesting just how many posters suddenly turned on PS a few weeks ago. Must have been 20 or more posters all turning on Shurmur and defending Gettleman at the same time, many (not all) of these posters are new withing the last 3 months. Of course, not all of those accounts will be plants but I think some are. It is the Giants trying to contain the fallout by controlling the narrative.

Basically, its all Shurmur's fault, he is toast, and Gettleman is safe. To quote one of my favorite TV shows...

"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."


omfg, shills?

Are you guys seriously so arrogant that you think the Giants care enough about what you dumbfuck think that they hire shills to influence your pea brains?

Get over yourself.
Mike Florio?  
eclipz928 : 12/1/2019 10:31 pm : link
Take it with the biggest grain of salt you can find.
RE: RE: Better mean Mara is open to changing how the NYG operate  
V.I.G. : 12/1/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14698532 g56blue10 said:
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This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB

Bull shit.

We needed an O line, edge, and LBs, coach
Now we need an O Line, edge, LBs, coach and WRs
RE: Mike Florio?  
japanhead : 12/1/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14698871 eclipz928 said:
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Take it with the biggest grain of salt you can find.


exactly. his segment seemed speculative and to not say anything new. i'd like to hear from bbi asshats on this..

hitdog, where you at?
The Giants  
UConn4523 : 12/1/2019 10:47 pm : link
planted us here to help with their new narrative!

Haha, so good.
RE: RE: RE: Better mean Mara is open to changing how the NYG operate  
Mike from SI : 12/1/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14698873 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14698532 g56blue10 said:


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This franchise is in considerable better shape now then when DG got here. We were a 3-13 team with an old roster and old QB. Will probably be a 3-13 Team this year with a ton of young players getting valuable time and a potential franchise QB


Bull shit.

We needed an O line, edge, and LBs, coach
Now we need an O Line, edge, LBs, coach and WRs


But it's actually a good thing our WRs suck now because at least they're quiet....
Gettleman  
AnskyJK : 12/1/2019 10:55 pm : link
Here’s the problem with getting rid of pat and not gettleman. Besides the litany of terrible moves he’s made since coming, most recently Leonard Williams which is still mind-boggling- so let’s say you get rid of Pat and leave Dave and next year there is no improvement. At that point you’ve likely lost all confidence in gettleman after his 3 year record so you fire gettleman. Obviously a new gm brings a new coach and now you have your franchise qb with his 3rd system in 3 years.

If you fire pat and not gettleman , you better feel pretty damn confident you want him here for the next 2-3 years
No one really knows what Mara is thinking-  
Sean : 12/1/2019 11:01 pm : link
He gets pounded for being overly loyal and adverse to change, but this really is uncharted territory. I think people are misguided when they say he is afraid to part with coaches.

He fired Coughlin off of 7-9, 6-10 & 6-10. The Saints stuck with Payton after three straight 7-9 seasons. It’s hard for me to buy the idea that Mara is afraid to change coaches when he fired a 2x SB HC.

After the 1990 SB, the Giants were mostly mediocre. There were a lot of 7-9 & 8-8 seasons, but it was never like this. Look at Fassel, he went:

10-5-1
7-9
8-8
12-4 (SB appearance)
7-9
10-6
4-12 (fired)

Aside from the last year, it was never like this. Even the 2004 team was 4-4 before it blew up. Looking at Coughlin:

6-10
11-5
8-8
10-6 (SB champ)
12-4
8-8
10-6
9-7 (SB champ)
9-7
7-9
6-10
6-10

Usually competitive under Coughlin. The final 3 years under Coughlin was bad, but again, nothing compared to this. That 3 year stretch happens in the NFL & Mara kept Reese too long, but I’m sure age played a role as well as hopes to have sustainable winning with McAdoo. It worked in 2016. McAdoo:

11-5
2-10 (fired)
0-4 (Spags)

Shurmur:

5-11
2-10

My point is, from the beginning of Fassel through McAdoo’s first year, it’s been pretty good. The end of Coughlin’s tenure was bad, but the franchise was always respectable.

It’s now 10-34 since the beginning of 2017. We really have no idea what Mara will be because we have never seen this with him as owner.
*2003 team was 4-4  
Sean : 12/1/2019 11:04 pm : link
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