At least 2-5 idiotic calls per game where you’re screaming at the TV.. Routinely out coached. Not someone you run through a brick wall for...
We need that kind of guy. A real force at HC, a true inspiration as the head man. An innovator.
Your not kidding even the commentators called him out several times . 3rd and one brings in the ice cold FB who rarely touches the ball then uses the just activated Scott on 4th down reverse and fumbles how many times did they practice that . Then the crummy flea flicker without establishing the run ? Enough of this disaster don't even want to watch anymore
I can’t help but shake Eric’s first impression of him, “milque toast”... I didn’t want to believe that, but it has played out exactly that way.
He blew it with Barks. He blew it with the LW trade. He blew it with Murmur. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. This organization is rotten from the top down. Getty must go.
As far as Matt Rhule is concerned I've heard his NFL buyout is a t Â
trivial sum which makes sense, he has made it pretty clear he wants to go NFL and why would he be interviewing for NFL jobs with 30 million buyout. No team is paying that. Do some critical thinking people.
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I said earlier on another thread that the Giants will want to get out in front and control the narrative.
They are going to blame it all on Shurmur. You don't see Papa, Banks and Diehl questioning the GM...
Same thing with the general media. The Giants brass are leaking what they want leaked.
Even on here, I am sure that there are some posters who truly are planted shills for the organization. I find it quite interesting just how many posters suddenly turned on PS a few weeks ago. Must have been 20 or more posters all turning on Shurmur and defending Gettleman at the same time, many (not all) of these posters are new withing the last 3 months. Of course, not all of those accounts will be plants but I think some are. It is the Giants trying to contain the fallout by controlling the narrative.
Basically, its all Shurmur's fault, he is toast, and Gettleman is safe. To quote one of my favorite TV shows...
"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
omfg, shills?
Are you guys seriously so arrogant that you think the Giants care enough about what you dumbfuck think that they hire shills to influence your pea brains?
Get over yourself.
You idiot, they want to control the narrative through every possible media outlet. Since this is open and free its an easy media outlet on which to put out their message. I am sure they do it on other message boards as well.
And yes they want to manage their fans, especially at a time like this. They run a business. We are their consumers. The last thing they want is to lose a large chunk of their consumers and a major revenue stream. EVERY multi billion dollar business manages their media perception. You are the fool if you don't realize it.
"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
So say we all.
I know this has been a hard day. There's been plenty of them lately. I can guarantee you there'll be more to come. Remember your self-esteem, your self-respect, and your self-worth. Hold strong to them, because people are watching. - Adama
half the posters on this site are in fact part of a massive troll farm intended to spread disinformation about gettleman's performance. careful everyone.. BBI has been weaponized. LMAO
half the posters on this site are in fact part of a massive troll farm intended to spread disinformation about gettleman's performance. careful everyone.. BBI has been weaponized. LMAO
You know its funny you should say that... Actually Putin probably learned it from just about every corporate entity that has been doing this crap in the US for decades. You probably weren't around then, but back in the 90s, Pat Hanlon used to come on BBI and post Giants' spin all the time. He took quite a bit of crap for it and eventually stopped, at least stopped using his real account. I doubt the Giants as an organization have stopped posting their spin.
RE: RE: RE: Here is the problem with these rumors Â
I think we tried some variation of this in the recent past with a guy who coached Rodgers. No thanks.
Was the 'Other Guy' really that bad or was he 'black balled'...he wanted Mahomes and wanted to beach Eli...doesn't sound so bad to me...
Oh, you want McAdoo back, do you? Should be easy enough, as no team has even offered him the role of equipment manager after the bang up job he did as head coach of the New York Giants.
Fuck no. One title with the best QB in the NFL. Never has a head coach done less with more.
Get Harbaugh or Saban. Stop dicking around. If they can't swing that then get someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall(fuck all you whiny PC PETA assholes).
half the posters on this site are in fact part of a massive troll farm intended to spread disinformation about gettleman's performance. careful everyone.. BBI has been weaponized. LMAO
You know its funny you should say that... Actually Putin probably learned it from just about every corporate entity that has been doing this crap in the US for decades. You probably weren't around then, but back in the 90s, Pat Hanlon used to come on BBI and post Giants' spin all the time. He took quite a bit of crap for it and eventually stopped, at least stopped using his real account. I doubt the Giants as an organization have stopped posting their spin.
"of jones' continued improvement." he just played the worst game of his career today, and he's looked bad against every team with a winning record. i realize he was on a bum ankle today, and certainly (arguably) having jones is more attractive to a potential coach than having eli, but i am not sure it means much one way or the other.
that said if mara ends up hiring some underachiever like garrett or mccarthy just because they have previous head coaching experience i'll shit in my hat.
Jones didn't have a good day today but the kid stays in the pocket (And there are many QBs,knowing what a turnstile Solder is,who would have "happy feet"),is as tough as nails & will only get better from Year #1 to #2. Any coach, looking for a HC job,would see Jones as a major positive!
Fuck no. One title with the best QB in the NFL. Never has a head coach done less with more.
Get Harbaugh or Saban. Stop dicking around. If they can't swing that then get someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall(fuck all you whiny PC PETA assholes).
So would you say no to Sean Payton ad well?
RE: As far as Matt Rhule is concerned I've heard his NFL buyout is a t Â
trivial sum which makes sense, he has made it pretty clear he wants to go NFL and why would he be interviewing for NFL jobs with 30 million buyout. No team is paying that. Do some critical thinking people.
Dabo Swinney has a $93 million contract with Clemson, with a $4m buyout, $6m buyout if he goes to Alabama. This buyout decreases every year. I don't see Rhule's buyout being bigger than Swinney's. My guess is that if he goes to the NFL the buyout is low single digit millions, like $2-4m
would think of Jones. But he certainly looks like he has a chance to be very good.
As far as McAdoo goes who knows what he's been offered or what he wants to do. He's still being paid 3 million as HC of NYG this year correct? Let's see if he tries to get back in next year.
Is that the Giants are in such a blow it up position, again, that the whole switch to 3-4 could greatly impact and hinder who the Giants move forward with as next HC and/or GM.
Are the Mara's going to look at the partnership of Gettleman and Shurmur + Coaching Staff and provide the option to stay but fire the HC? Or will they let Gettleman make that decision?
If we keep Gettleman, you can almost certainly presume we're not hiring any HC that wants to run the 4-3 defense. We've invested way too much into 3-4 linemen.
If we let both go, then we hire a GM to hire a HC to run the 3-4? Or give them carte blanche for a full redo and risk setting back the development of Lawrence, Tomlinson, Carter, etc.?
This is such a mess.
Disaster. That said, Lawrence and Tomlinson would be fine as 4-3 DTs and it’s not like we have any LBs anyway. Still need 2 edge rushers and Carter isn’t one. Nows the time to change rather than waiting for another 3-13 season and firing Gettleman in 2020
half the posters on this site are in fact part of a massive troll farm intended to spread disinformation about gettleman's performance. careful everyone.. BBI has been weaponized. LMAO
You know its funny you should say that... Actually Putin probably learned it from just about every corporate entity that has been doing this crap in the US for decades. You probably weren't around then, but back in the 90s, Pat Hanlon used to come on BBI and post Giants' spin all the time. He took quite a bit of crap for it and eventually stopped, at least stopped using his real account. I doubt the Giants as an organization have stopped posting their spin.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry
Do both. I've been challenging the smug arrogance of the analytics Duo for some time now. And they've both said frequently that part of the reason they talk about things is so the Giants will see the posts and make changes.
They fully believe shills are here and that their voice has an impact.
would think of Jones. But he certainly looks like he has a chance to be very good.
As far as McAdoo goes who knows what he's been offered or what he wants to do. He's still being paid 3 million as HC of NYG this year correct? Let's see if he tries to get back in next year.
Yes, Benny comes off the dole this year. At which time, Shurmur will be paid for another 3 year vacation.
Shurmur can do to stay. He can win out and it won't matter.
I genuinely feel that they've been so caught up in holding onto Eli that keeping everything in tact was the way to "make it work" but that's all done now.
I have to think that their world has been rocked by all of this and Pat isn't the guy to undo that. Nice man, bad head coach.
The only question I have is DG and whether Mara has the balls to drop the hammer on him too. I'd support that for a whole new reset and bringing in one of the top coaches out there. But that's the part i'm doubting happens.
if only because of continuity for Jones. Whatever Mara thinks, he also sees the number of young QBs ruined by having to learn too many systems too early.
He'll have another year with talent taken at the top of the round, which even he should be able to get to 5 or 6 wins. We'll see what happens after that.
Is there a precedant for a HC (not in his first year) Â
One cannot assume the Giants will make any positive change until you see it. John Mara has done nothing to show he is anything more than an inherited wealth mediocrity.
Even a slob like McAdoo was able to convince John he was some kind of football genius.
if only because of continuity for Jones. Whatever Mara thinks, he also sees the number of young QBs ruined by having to learn too many systems too early.
He'll have another year with talent taken at the top of the round, which even he should be able to get to 5 or 6 wins. We'll see what happens after that.
Lol, Continuity is not a positive when it is bad continuity. Bring in a guy who they think is good with QBs ...Norv? Not that I love it but I think they may think Garrett may be good with QBs too. He was both a QB and QB coach here.
If you think Rhule is going to be a great coach ... Â
... then who cares about a $30 million buyout? We're about to blow that much on an average 3-4 DE in Leonard Williams. Pay the extortion fee and get him in here.
Fuck no. One title with the best QB in the NFL. Never has a head coach done less with more.
Get Harbaugh or Saban. Stop dicking around. If they can't swing that then get someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall(fuck all you whiny PC PETA assholes).
So would you say no to Sean Payton ad well?
RE: As far as Matt Rhule is concerned I've heard his NFL buyout is a t Â
trivial sum which makes sense, he has made it pretty clear he wants to go NFL and why would he be interviewing for NFL jobs with 30 million buyout. No team is paying that. Do some critical thinking people.
Where have you seen that Rhule "has made it pretty clear he wants to go to the NFL"
Everything I have read says nothing of the sort. Especially since he signed the extension. The news seems to be more at the possibility of Rhule leaving for a bigger school not the NFL.
At the end of September he had an article in the Dallas Morning News paper saying he was happy with his current gig. Rhule - ( New Window )
$30M buyout to take a chance on a college coach. I don't see any Â
owner doing that especially Mara. Plus have to pay a hugh salary. Nope. Hopefully they go with someone who has a little fire in his belly and has been a winner. Gotta be at least one out there that fits the bill.
of staff. Sounds like a guy that is just waiting for an NFL opp to open up he likes. Two years in a row he has told his players that he is interviewing for NFL jobs. Why is that going to change now? He got asked that question in the middle of the season, he needs to have his team focused, not on his impending jump to NFL.
RE: If you think Rhule is going to be a great coach ... Â
... then who cares about a $30 million buyout? We're about to blow that much on an average 3-4 DE in Leonard Williams. Pay the extortion fee and get him in here.
30 Million is an absurd number to pay for anyone who has not coached in NFL game. Picking a coach without NFL experience is a lottery in terms of it working out. Most of the time it doesn't and once in a while it does. To think Rhule would be a good coach is a long shot (as it would be with any non established candidate), to pay 30 million for that lottery ticket would be insane.
I saw that one when looking after reading your post. It is from July. The one from September says different.
Either way. He is not coming to the Giants. If anything. He will get an offer or two from some of the bigger schools that are now or will be looking in the near future.
So say we all.
At least 2-5 idiotic calls per game where you’re screaming at the TV.. Routinely out coached. Not someone you run through a brick wall for...
We need that kind of guy. A real force at HC, a true inspiration as the head man. An innovator.
Your not kidding even the commentators called him out several times . 3rd and one brings in the ice cold FB who rarely touches the ball then uses the just activated Scott on 4th down reverse and fumbles how many times did they practice that . Then the crummy flea flicker without establishing the run ? Enough of this disaster don't even want to watch anymore
I can’t help but shake Eric’s first impression of him, “milque toast”... I didn’t want to believe that, but it has played out exactly that way.
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A qb that arguably has played better than all of his peers in the last 2 drafts
Lamar Jackson is probably going to win MVP this year, soooooooo......
He's a wide receiver. At least he would have been on this backwards-ass team.
To be fair, he would have been the best receiver on our team.
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I said earlier on another thread that the Giants will want to get out in front and control the narrative.
They are going to blame it all on Shurmur. You don't see Papa, Banks and Diehl questioning the GM...
Same thing with the general media. The Giants brass are leaking what they want leaked.
Even on here, I am sure that there are some posters who truly are planted shills for the organization. I find it quite interesting just how many posters suddenly turned on PS a few weeks ago. Must have been 20 or more posters all turning on Shurmur and defending Gettleman at the same time, many (not all) of these posters are new withing the last 3 months. Of course, not all of those accounts will be plants but I think some are. It is the Giants trying to contain the fallout by controlling the narrative.
Basically, its all Shurmur's fault, he is toast, and Gettleman is safe. To quote one of my favorite TV shows...
"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
omfg, shills?
Are you guys seriously so arrogant that you think the Giants care enough about what you dumbfuck think that they hire shills to influence your pea brains?
Get over yourself.
You idiot, they want to control the narrative through every possible media outlet. Since this is open and free its an easy media outlet on which to put out their message. I am sure they do it on other message boards as well.
And yes they want to manage their fans, especially at a time like this. They run a business. We are their consumers. The last thing they want is to lose a large chunk of their consumers and a major revenue stream. EVERY multi billion dollar business manages their media perception. You are the fool if you don't realize it.
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"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
So say we all.
SO SAY WE ALL.
I wish Gettleman would step down but I don't see it happening, unless his health is not as good as it could be.
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"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
So say we all.
I know this has been a hard day. There's been plenty of them lately. I can guarantee you there'll be more to come. Remember your self-esteem, your self-respect, and your self-worth. Hold strong to them, because people are watching. - Adama
You know its funny you should say that... Actually Putin probably learned it from just about every corporate entity that has been doing this crap in the US for decades. You probably weren't around then, but back in the 90s, Pat Hanlon used to come on BBI and post Giants' spin all the time. He took quite a bit of crap for it and eventually stopped, at least stopped using his real account. I doubt the Giants as an organization have stopped posting their spin.
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"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
So say we all.
SO SAY WE ALL.
SO SAY WE ALL
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Proven Winner, Cold Weather & Good QB Coach...
Proven winner if he has Aaron Rodgers.
I think we tried some variation of this in the recent past with a guy who coached Rodgers. No thanks.
Was the 'Other Guy' really that bad or was he 'black balled'...he wanted Mahomes and wanted to beach Eli...doesn't sound so bad to me...
Oh, you want McAdoo back, do you? Should be easy enough, as no team has even offered him the role of equipment manager after the bang up job he did as head coach of the New York Giants.
Get Harbaugh or Saban. Stop dicking around. If they can't swing that then get someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall(fuck all you whiny PC PETA assholes).
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half the posters on this site are in fact part of a massive troll farm intended to spread disinformation about gettleman's performance. careful everyone.. BBI has been weaponized. LMAO
You know its funny you should say that... Actually Putin probably learned it from just about every corporate entity that has been doing this crap in the US for decades. You probably weren't around then, but back in the 90s, Pat Hanlon used to come on BBI and post Giants' spin all the time. He took quite a bit of crap for it and eventually stopped, at least stopped using his real account. I doubt the Giants as an organization have stopped posting their spin.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry
that said if mara ends up hiring some underachiever like garrett or mccarthy just because they have previous head coaching experience i'll shit in my hat.
Jones didn't have a good day today but the kid stays in the pocket (And there are many QBs,knowing what a turnstile Solder is,who would have "happy feet"),is as tough as nails & will only get better from Year #1 to #2. Any coach, looking for a HC job,would see Jones as a major positive!
Get Harbaugh or Saban. Stop dicking around. If they can't swing that then get someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall(fuck all you whiny PC PETA assholes).
So would you say no to Sean Payton ad well?
Dabo Swinney has a $93 million contract with Clemson, with a $4m buyout, $6m buyout if he goes to Alabama. This buyout decreases every year. I don't see Rhule's buyout being bigger than Swinney's. My guess is that if he goes to the NFL the buyout is low single digit millions, like $2-4m
As far as McAdoo goes who knows what he's been offered or what he wants to do. He's still being paid 3 million as HC of NYG this year correct? Let's see if he tries to get back in next year.
Are the Mara's going to look at the partnership of Gettleman and Shurmur + Coaching Staff and provide the option to stay but fire the HC? Or will they let Gettleman make that decision?
If we keep Gettleman, you can almost certainly presume we're not hiring any HC that wants to run the 4-3 defense. We've invested way too much into 3-4 linemen.
If we let both go, then we hire a GM to hire a HC to run the 3-4? Or give them carte blanche for a full redo and risk setting back the development of Lawrence, Tomlinson, Carter, etc.?
This is such a mess.
Disaster. That said, Lawrence and Tomlinson would be fine as 4-3 DTs and it’s not like we have any LBs anyway. Still need 2 edge rushers and Carter isn’t one. Nows the time to change rather than waiting for another 3-13 season and firing Gettleman in 2020
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Matt Rhule's buyout on his current contract is ~$30 million. I wanted him too, but it's not happening.
That is unbelievable. Is there a carve out for specific jobs?
The buyouts are for other college jobs. For the nfl it’s a different number
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half the posters on this site are in fact part of a massive troll farm intended to spread disinformation about gettleman's performance. careful everyone.. BBI has been weaponized. LMAO
You know its funny you should say that... Actually Putin probably learned it from just about every corporate entity that has been doing this crap in the US for decades. You probably weren't around then, but back in the 90s, Pat Hanlon used to come on BBI and post Giants' spin all the time. He took quite a bit of crap for it and eventually stopped, at least stopped using his real account. I doubt the Giants as an organization have stopped posting their spin.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry
Do both. I've been challenging the smug arrogance of the analytics Duo for some time now. And they've both said frequently that part of the reason they talk about things is so the Giants will see the posts and make changes.
They fully believe shills are here and that their voice has an impact.
I tend to laugh until I'm crying!
As far as McAdoo goes who knows what he's been offered or what he wants to do. He's still being paid 3 million as HC of NYG this year correct? Let's see if he tries to get back in next year.
Yes, Benny comes off the dole this year. At which time, Shurmur will be paid for another 3 year vacation.
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"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
So say we all.
BSG quote- nice...
Personally, I don't see them winning another game and finishing 2-14. Yes, the Fin's and Skin's will beat them.
Personally, I don't see them winning another game and finishing 2-14. Yes, the Fin's and Skin's will beat them.
If Shurmur finishes 4-12 he'll come back. They'll say the team showed signs of improvement and played .500 ball in the end of the year.
I genuinely feel that they've been so caught up in holding onto Eli that keeping everything in tact was the way to "make it work" but that's all done now.
I have to think that their world has been rocked by all of this and Pat isn't the guy to undo that. Nice man, bad head coach.
The only question I have is DG and whether Mara has the balls to drop the hammer on him too. I'd support that for a whole new reset and bringing in one of the top coaches out there. But that's the part i'm doubting happens.
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Matt Rhule's buyout on his current contract is ~$30 million. I wanted him too, but it's not happening.
That is unbelievable. Is there a carve out for specific jobs?
The buyouts are for other college jobs. For the nfl it’s a different number
Yeah, I get it. I’m just blown away by the number for Matt Ruhle.
He’s a good coach but many here have canonized him as the next great HC. I’m just not so sure...
DG stays.
He'll have another year with talent taken at the top of the round, which even he should be able to get to 5 or 6 wins. We'll see what happens after that.
Even a slob like McAdoo was able to convince John he was some kind of football genius.
He'll have another year with talent taken at the top of the round, which even he should be able to get to 5 or 6 wins. We'll see what happens after that.
Lol, Continuity is not a positive when it is bad continuity. Bring in a guy who they think is good with QBs ...Norv? Not that I love it but I think they may think Garrett may be good with QBs too. He was both a QB and QB coach here.
Does he need to borrow my pen?
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Fuck no. One title with the best QB in the NFL. Never has a head coach done less with more.
Get Harbaugh or Saban. Stop dicking around. If they can't swing that then get someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall(fuck all you whiny PC PETA assholes).
So would you say no to Sean Payton ad well?
Where have you seen that Rhule "has made it pretty clear he wants to go to the NFL"
Everything I have read says nothing of the sort. Especially since he signed the extension. The news seems to be more at the possibility of Rhule leaving for a bigger school not the NFL.
At the end of September he had an article in the Dallas Morning News paper saying he was happy with his current gig.
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He's on my wishlist as well. Jim Harbaugh is at the top of my list but I think we all know ownership will steer clear of him.
yes! my choice for DC!
30 Million is an absurd number to pay for anyone who has not coached in NFL game. Picking a coach without NFL experience is a lottery in terms of it working out. Most of the time it doesn't and once in a while it does. To think Rhule would be a good coach is a long shot (as it would be with any non established candidate), to pay 30 million for that lottery ticket would be insane.
I saw that one when looking after reading your post. It is from July. The one from September says different.
Either way. He is not coming to the Giants. If anything. He will get an offer or two from some of the bigger schools that are now or will be looking in the near future.