1. CIN 1-11 (-20.5) ##
2. NYG 2-10
3. WAS 3-9 (-6.5) ## see below
4. MIA 3-9 (-7)
5. ATL 3-9 (-18) ##
6. DET 3-8-1*
7. ARI 3-8-1*
8. JAC 4-8 (-1)
9. NYJ 4-8 (-6)
10. LAC 4-8 (-7.5)
11. DEN 4-8 (-11.5) ##
## almost certainly pick behind NYG in case of a tie.
# likely to pick behind NYG in case of a tie
* NYG or DET or ARI would have to play a tie game for this tie to occur
In this listing, ties are broken using the stregth of schedule (SOS) based on the current records of all 16 opponents (division opponents count twice).
Lower SOS picks earlier. The NFL puts out draft order that doesn't include an opponents record in a team's SOS until that team plays that opponent.
TIEBREAK WITH WAS
The first tiebreaker for draft order is strength of schedule, not head-to-head. This is according to the NFL ops website. If the Giants end up tied with WAS, the team that picks ahead is the team that wins fewer games against the following two teams. You can see the Giants are very likely to pick ahead.
NYG: ARI, TB. Currently 8.5 wins (15.5 losses). There's 8 more wins these teams can get.
WAS: CAR, SF. Currently 15 wins (9 losses). There's 8 more losses these teams can get.
Magic number is 2 (any combination of ARI loss or TB losses or CAR wins or SF wins) for NYG to take this tiebreak.
He's built for this.
Oh, he will......
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Hopefully Shurmer can get us to the finish line.
He's built for this.
No doubt.
If that is true, then it appears we can win one more game and not be hurt by it. That if we are 3-13, we will pick second for sure! Is this true? If not for sure, why not?
I won’t ask about us winning two more games because I can see there are so many teams with only 3 wins, so,it depends on what those teams are doing as well.
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Hopefully Shurmer can get us to the finish line.
He's built for this.
Remember, a calm doesn’t suit him...a storm does
If that is true, then it appears we can win one more game and not be hurt by it. That if we are 3-13, we will pick second for sure! Is this true? If not for sure, why not?
I won’t ask about us winning two more games because I can see there are so many teams with only 3 wins, so,it depends on what those teams are doing as well.
Actually be going 3-13 we will be giving Washington or Miami a 4th win, so one of those teams will pick behind NYG. So at 3-13 the Giants would be 4th (almost certainly 3rd).
Note that I have not added a comment yet on the tiebreak vs Miami. The Giants have a good lead (7 games) and I would say it is likely but not certain.
Browns
Pats
Dolphins
Browns
Pats
Dolphins
Maybe Santa will come early on 12/22 and deliver a win for Red.
While I see little chance they would trade out of #1, I could see a trade down from #33 to gain an extra pick or two.
I went into this season wanting the Giants to win, but now I see no reason for them to do anything other than get that #1 pick. What an opportunity to turn this thing around...with new leadership and some shrewd moves.
Sorry, would want MIN and NE to lose, since they are both on NYG schedule.
Gettlemans biggest mistakes is hiring Shurmur. His second was allowing Bettcher to have all of his guys, most of whom suck balls.
The scary part is that he is clearly worse at free agency/trade evaluations than he is draft and he has done plenty of damage with extremely limited cap space.
How much damage will he do with $90 million next year?
Wouldn't make a lick of difference. The Giants didn't exactly roll off victories when McAdoo got the heave-ho.
No one? Surely it has something to do with how much for how long.
It strikes me that what you are trying to convey would more accurately be stated as:
"If the Giants end up tied with WAS, the team that picks ahead is the team whose two non-common opponents, listed below, win the fewer games."
Respectfully submitted and, as always, thank you for your efforts.
I think D. Young is a solid QB who needs an off-season of study and a camp as a true #1 to be successful. But learning a new offense won't be easy but it is necessary at this point.
But we have a lot of holes so 3 picks in the top 35 would be nice. DE Young, and OL's maybe in round 2?
I’d bet the water boy could get more out of this team then Pat.
Yes all on gettleman. He missed a few assignments on the field today. You continue to believe the Bs that spews from your pole smoker?
Coaches coach, players play. Our OL is wildly underperforming and our coach is running end around to practice squad players.
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want MIN and NE to win, since they are both on NYG schedule and SEA and HOU are not.
Sorry, would want MIN and NE to lose, since they are both on NYG schedule.
But NE is also on Wash schedule and Miami’s twice. Not sure if they played Cincinnati
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Great job.
Yes all on gettleman. He missed a few assignments on the field today. You continue to believe the Bs that spews from your pole smoker?
Coaches coach, players play. Our OL is wildly underperforming and our coach is running end around to practice squad players.
And who is responsible for said coach and offensive line? Like I said I have been inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt but given that the team has somehow got drastically worse AND the fucking moronic trade for a guy who could have been signed in the offseason I’m ok with him getting let go
Could you imagine trading down to #2 picking up a 2nd or 3rd round pick and then drafting Chaee Young?
Wow.
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Assuming Cinci ends up with 1 or 2 wins.....are you telling us that if we are tied with either Washington, Miami, or Atlanta that we are practically guaranteed to pick second?
If that is true, then it appears we can win one more game and not be hurt by it. That if we are 3-13, we will pick second for sure! Is this true? If not for sure, why not?
I won’t ask about us winning two more games because I can see there are so many teams with only 3 wins, so,it depends on what those teams are doing as well.
Actually be going 3-13 we will be giving Washington or Miami a 4th win, so one of those teams will pick behind NYG. So at 3-13 the Giants would be 4th (almost certainly 3rd).
Note that I have not added a comment yet on the tiebreak vs Miami. The Giants have a good lead (7 games) and I would say it is likely but not certain.
Ray, sorry to be thick here but I’m still confused.
Am I reading you right? Did you just say here that if we go 3-13 we will either be picking 3rd or fourth? Why not picking SECOND?
I don’t see it....who picks second or third?
1. Cinci 2-14
2. ? Miami, ny, or Atlanta....assume they all are 3-13 (Washington beat us so they are 4-12)
How do we pick AFTER Miami or Atlanta or Washington if we all have the same record?
That made me laugh.
And we should all be comforted that Gettleman will make the pick...
A team willing to pay a lot to grab a franchise talent (especially a QB) May very well be the best way to turn a team around.
The fact that he admitted to not even turning over all the stones on trade down offers is so irritating.
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is no one to replace Shurmur with. Spags was previously a head coach. Bettcher has no such background and his side of the ball has been horrific.
No one? Surely it has something to do with how much for how long.
I'm not following you. An interim head coach would have to come from the existing staff. Who on this staff do you want to be interim head coach?
A team willing to pay a lot to grab a franchise talent (especially a QB) May very well be the best way to turn a team around.
The fact that he admitted to not even turning over all the stones on trade down offers is so irritating.
He didn't even use all of their allotted draft time. Think about the stupidity if that.
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is no one to replace Shurmur with. Spags was previously a head coach. Bettcher has no such background and his side of the ball has been horrific.
No one? Surely it has something to do with how much for how long.
I'm not following you. An interim head coach would have to come from the existing staff. Who on this staff do you want to be interim head coach?
Shula's been a college head coach. He'd get the nod.
Yeah never gonna happen but I can dream.
Yeah never gonna happen but I can dream.
Never say never.
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Assuming Cinci ends up with 1 or 2 wins.....are you telling us that if we are tied with either Washington, Miami, or Atlanta that we are practically guaranteed to pick second?
If that is true, then it appears we can win one more game and not be hurt by it. That if we are 3-13, we will pick second for sure! Is this true? If not for sure, why not?
I won’t ask about us winning two more games because I can see there are so many teams with only 3 wins, so,it depends on what those teams are doing as well.
Actually be going 3-13 we will be giving Washington or Miami a 4th win, so one of those teams will pick behind NYG. So at 3-13 the Giants would be 4th (almost certainly 3rd).
Note that I have not added a comment yet on the tiebreak vs Miami. The Giants have a good lead (7 games) and I would say it is likely but not certain.
Ray, sorry to be thick here but I’m still confused.
Am I reading you right? Did you just say here that if we go 3-13 we will either be picking 3rd or fourth? Why not picking SECOND?
I don’t see it....who picks second or third?
1. Cinci 2-14
2. ? Miami, ny, or Atlanta....assume they all are 3-13 (Washington beat us so they are 4-12)
How do we pick AFTER Miami or Atlanta or Washington if we all have the same record?
Slip of the “pen” - I mean top 4 (almost certainly top 3)
And I gotta believe Gettleman will label their trade offers insulting wastes of time.
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want MIN and NE to win, since they are both on NYG schedule and SEA and HOU are not.
Sorry, would want MIN and NE to lose, since they are both on NYG schedule.
But NE is also on Wash schedule and Miami’s twice. Not sure if they played Cincinnati
Good point re Miami, which appears to be the closest
significant tiebreak.
Considering how he and Shurmur celebrated the improvement from 3-13 to 5-11, it will be hilarious to see how they categorize this year's decline.
I'd expect Burrow to look like the shoo in top pick by the draft. It'll be interesting to see how the Giants would handle that if they pick 1.
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Great job.
Considering how he and Shurmur celebrated the improvement from 3-13 to 5-11, it will be hilarious to see how they categorize this year's decline.
If they even get the chance to hold such a farcical press conference then shame on Mara.
2. NYG 2-10
3. WAS 3-9 (-6.5) ##
4. MIA 3-9 (-6.5) #
5. ATL 3-9 (-19) ##
6. DET 3-8-1*
7. ARI 3-8-1*
8. JAC 4-8 (-2.5)
9. NYJ 4-8 (-5.5)
10. LAC 4-8 (-8.5) #
11. DEN 4-8 (-12.5) ##
## almost certainly pick behind NYG in case of a tie.
# likely to pick behind NYG in case of a tie
* NYG or DET or ARI would have to play a tie game for this tie to occur
LOL, had to laugh because its probably true.
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Great job.
Yes all on gettleman. He missed a few assignments on the field today. You continue to believe the Bs that spews from your pole smoker?
Coaches coach, players play. Our OL is wildly underperforming and our coach is running end around to practice squad players.
yeah whose in charge of putting the players on the field?
is can't be the guy who decides trades, free agents, practice squad, and drafts
no wya!!!!
And the jackass traded away our 3rd round pick this year! (And 4th or 5th next year) SMFH
No shit. Thanks for finally joining the party.
I don’t see any way how they screw this up. Both Miami and DC are playing a better quality of football than the NYG.
+1 million
This team is a damn joke, the Giants are the worst team in the conference, and that's because of the lousy work from those two men.
Even with the tie breakers in our favor, may be tough not to get that 4th win. Ya, Ya, Ya, we suck, bla, bla, bla.
When its all said and done, I think the coaching staff remains - year 3 of 5 year rebuild.
And some of you debate the "fire them all" cries?
#1 given that CIN would have a 21.5 game better SOS than NYG.
That kick is 1000% going to come back and haunt this franchise.
It was a pretty exciting win though and easily the most enjoyable moment fo the last 3 seasons though.
I couldn't agree more!
I wonder how many of his supporters would have been in favor of hiring him if this interview scenario could've taken place;
Generic Pro Gettleman guy: So Dave, you're taking over a 3 win team. Where do you see us in two years?
Dave Gettleman: Worst case 2 wins. Best case maybe 4 wins. Now let me tell you a little about my resume...
Did he hire wco Mcadoo, citing some analytics based metrics goal of Eli throwing 70%?
Think there's a clear pattern here.
Get DE D. Young who will rush the passer well as a rookie, trust me. Rebuild this defense.
A few key veteran UFA's to upgrade our defense along with good draft picks and the development of our youth and we could really show improvement next year.
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Is incredible to me. He took a terrible team and miraculously made it even worse. If I was the owner, he would be the first to go.
Did he hire wco Mcadoo, citing some analytics based metrics goal of Eli throwing 70%?
Think there's a clear pattern here.
The roster is worse than last year, the defense is worse.
They weren't on in my area yesterday, apparently didn't miss that much. Don't fret, sounds like thy found a new long snapper at least...
I am not sure he will go though?
If they hang on to Shurmur, better make some coaching changes here, starting with the DC.
I don't think they have recovered from blowing the
SB against the Pats. Look at their record since then,
for example.
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Kind of surprising
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I don't think they have recovered from blowing the
SB against the Pats. Look at their record since then,
for example.
Carolina kind of the same way after losing in the Super Bowl, you're right
"it's not worse than last year" is the absolute best you can say. It's certainly not better. 'potential' that you have in young players doesn't put food on the table.