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ray in arlington : 12/1/2019 7:59 pm
1. CIN 1-11 (-20.5) ##
2. NYG 2-10
3. WAS 3-9 (-6.5) ## see below
4. MIA 3-9 (-7)
5. ATL 3-9 (-18) ##
6. DET 3-8-1*
7. ARI 3-8-1*
8. JAC 4-8 (-1)
9. NYJ 4-8 (-6)
10. LAC 4-8 (-7.5)
11. DEN 4-8 (-11.5) ##

## almost certainly pick behind NYG in case of a tie.
# likely to pick behind NYG in case of a tie
* NYG or DET or ARI would have to play a tie game for this tie to occur

In this listing, ties are broken using the stregth of schedule (SOS) based on the current records of all 16 opponents (division opponents count twice).
Lower SOS picks earlier. The NFL puts out draft order that doesn't include an opponents record in a team's SOS until that team plays that opponent.


TIEBREAK WITH WAS

The first tiebreaker for draft order is strength of schedule, not head-to-head. This is according to the NFL ops website. If the Giants end up tied with WAS, the team that picks ahead is the team that wins fewer games against the following two teams. You can see the Giants are very likely to pick ahead.

NYG: ARI, TB. Currently 8.5 wins (15.5 losses). There's 8 more wins these teams can get.
WAS: CAR, SF. Currently 15 wins (9 losses). There's 8 more losses these teams can get.

Magic number is 2 (any combination of ARI loss or TB losses or CAR wins or SF wins) for NYG to take this tiebreak.
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Something to consider for the draft  
Go Terps : 12/2/2019 12:04 am : link
Quarterbacks always move up the board as the draft approaches. Between January and April there are interviews, combine, pro days...they hire experts to help them ace each of these aspects of what is essentially a four month long job interview. And they won't have to face a single blitz or discussed coverage that whole time.

I'd expect Burrow to look like the shoo in top pick by the draft. It'll be interesting to see how the Giants would handle that if they pick 1.
RE: RE: So Gettleman took us from picking #2 to possibly #1  
Go Terps : 12/2/2019 12:06 am : link
In comment 14698946 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14698614 Go Terps said:


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Great job.



Considering how he and Shurmur celebrated the improvement from 3-13 to 5-11, it will be hilarious to see how they categorize this year's decline.


If they even get the chance to hold such a farcical press conference then shame on Mara.
How anyone here defends Gettleman  
Marty866b : 12/2/2019 12:18 am : link
Is incredible to me. He took a terrible team and miraculously made it even worse. If I was the owner, he would be the first to go.
With NE-HOU in the books  
ray in arlington : 12/2/2019 1:02 am : link
1. CIN 1-11 (-20.5) ##
2. NYG 2-10
3. WAS 3-9 (-6.5) ##
4. MIA 3-9 (-6.5) #
5. ATL 3-9 (-19) ##
6. DET 3-8-1*
7. ARI 3-8-1*
8. JAC 4-8 (-2.5)
9. NYJ 4-8 (-5.5)
10. LAC 4-8 (-8.5) #
11. DEN 4-8 (-12.5) ##

## almost certainly pick behind NYG in case of a tie.
# likely to pick behind NYG in case of a tie
* NYG or DET or ARI would have to play a tie game for this tie to occur
Oh don’t worry Gettledouche will find a way  
giantsFC : 12/2/2019 1:33 am : link
To get 2-3 more wins for the giants so they don’t have to draft a pass rusher but instead get their top choice of DT and/or 3-4 DE.
RE: Oh don’t worry Gettledouche will find a way  
.McL. : 12/2/2019 1:35 am : link
In comment 14698969 giantsFC said:
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To get 2-3 more wins for the giants so they don’t have to draft a pass rusher but instead get their top choice of DT and/or 3-4 DE.

LOL, had to laugh because its probably true.
RE: RE: So Gettleman took us from picking #2 to possibly #1  
huygens20 : 12/2/2019 2:19 am : link
In comment 14698774 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14698614 Go Terps said:


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Great job.



Yes all on gettleman. He missed a few assignments on the field today. You continue to believe the Bs that spews from your pole smoker?

Coaches coach, players play. Our OL is wildly underperforming and our coach is running end around to practice squad players.


yeah whose in charge of putting the players on the field?

is can't be the guy who decides trades, free agents, practice squad, and drafts


no wya!!!!
You're forgetting Shula Eric  
BigBlueCane : 12/2/2019 5:25 am : link
He was the head coach at Alabama for a few years. Granted they stunk but he was the man in charge.
Top 5 can still change a lot with Miami and the deadskins still...  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 5:27 am : link
to come on our schedule.
RE: So Gettleman took us from picking #2 to possibly #1  
TheMick7 : 12/2/2019 5:53 am : link
In comment 14698614 Go Terps said:
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Great job.


And the jackass traded away our 3rd round pick this year! (And 4th or 5th next year) SMFH
I'd say we're in tank mode, but Shurmur is doing a fine enough job of  
Optimus-NY : 12/2/2019 6:22 am : link
losing Au naturel as it is. Let's aim high...or low in this case...smh
RE: I can’t believe how bad the giants are  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2019 7:17 am : link
In comment 14698607 djm said:
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2-10 my god. Please let them get a legendary player in the draft...

No shit. Thanks for finally joining the party.
For the Shurmur Gettleman Giants  
arniefez : 12/2/2019 7:20 am : link
it's going to be difficult to lose the next 4 four in a row. They'll screw this up somehow.
Ideally we trade down  
JFIB : 12/2/2019 8:09 am : link
From 1 to 2 and wind up with Chase Young and a few other picks. I think people are crazy to talk about dumping DJ. We just spent a season getting him experience. Even if Burrow is a better prospect we have so many other needs.
RE: For the Shurmur Gettleman Giants  
The_Boss : 12/2/2019 8:10 am : link
In comment 14699038 arniefez said:
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it's going to be difficult to lose the next 4 four in a row. They'll screw this up somehow.


I don’t see any way how they screw this up. Both Miami and DC are playing a better quality of football than the NYG.
This franchise is a god damned disaster.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2019 8:14 am : link
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Thanks Ray!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/2/2019 8:15 am : link
Hope the new GM has Chase Young sitting there. He would be a good start for the new regime.
RE: This franchise is a god damned disaster.  
Optimus-NY : 12/2/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14699072 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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+1 million
I still don't have any trust that Gettleman will choose..  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/2/2019 8:38 am : link
the correct player if he's still the GM. That's why I hope Gettleman gets canned when Shurmur is fired.
This team is a damn joke, the Giants are the worst team in the conference, and that's because of the lousy work from those two men.
ATL is the one to watch out for  
stoneman : 12/2/2019 9:20 am : link
If you assume Cinn and Mia will not pass up on a QB, Wash and Atl are the only ones that could mess up the Chase pick. IMO, we pick behind one of those 2.

Even with the tie breakers in our favor, may be tough not to get that 4th win. Ya, Ya, Ya, we suck, bla, bla, bla.

When its all said and done, I think the coaching staff remains - year 3 of 5 year rebuild.
Hypothetical-If the TB kicked made the kick and we are 1-11  
penkap75 : 12/2/2019 9:34 am : link
Are we #1 or #2?
LW trade  
Jimmy Googs : 12/2/2019 9:37 am : link
It is egregious to have a team this bad yet we are making moves that force us to pay a fortune to a free agent DL and give up draft picks at the TOP of a round.

And some of you debate the "fire them all" cries?
RE: Hypothetical-If the TB kicked made the kick and we are 1-11  
ray in arlington : 12/2/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14699261 penkap75 said:
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Are we #1 or #2?


#1 given that CIN would have a 21.5 game better SOS than NYG.
RE: Hypothetical-If the TB kicked made the kick and we are 1-11  
Tesla : 12/2/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14699261 penkap75 said:
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Are we #1 or #2?


That kick is 1000% going to come back and haunt this franchise.

It was a pretty exciting win though and easily the most enjoyable moment fo the last 3 seasons though.
RE: How anyone here defends Gettleman  
BlueVinnie : 12/2/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14698954 Marty866b said:
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Is incredible to me. He took a terrible team and miraculously made it even worse. If I was the owner, he would be the first to go.


I couldn't agree more!
I wonder how many of his supporters would have been in favor of hiring him if this interview scenario could've taken place;

Generic Pro Gettleman guy: So Dave, you're taking over a 3 win team. Where do you see us in two years?

Dave Gettleman: Worst case 2 wins. Best case maybe 4 wins. Now let me tell you a little about my resume...
My nightmare  
Daniel in MI : 12/2/2019 10:17 am : link
And yet consistent with how we roll is that we do something inexplicable, pointless, unlikely and yet self-defeating — like somehow finally manage to beat Philly now of all times when it does nothing but hurt us.
RE: How anyone here defends Gettleman  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/2/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14698954 Marty866b said:
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Is incredible to me. He took a terrible team and miraculously made it even worse. If I was the owner, he would be the first to go.

Did he hire wco Mcadoo, citing some analytics based metrics goal of Eli throwing 70%?

Think there's a clear pattern here.
It would not shock me to win two or three...  
Dunedin81 : 12/2/2019 10:29 am : link
of the next four games. Philly is a Jekyll and Hyde team and the Dolphins and the Skins are bottom 5 teams in football. That's just the kind of shitty thing this team would do.
My prayer is we get the #1 pick....  
SGMen : 12/2/2019 11:16 am : link
Get the #1 pick and trade QB Burrow and our #4 to the #2 spot (Cincy) and get their #1, #2 and #3 this year and #2 and #4 next year. Or maybe their #1, #2 and #1 next year even. Whatever but fleece someone.

Get DE D. Young who will rush the passer well as a rookie, trust me. Rebuild this defense.

A few key veteran UFA's to upgrade our defense along with good draft picks and the development of our youth and we could really show improvement next year.
RE: RE: How anyone here defends Gettleman  
Carson53 : 12/2/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14699434 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14698954 Marty866b said:


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Is incredible to me. He took a terrible team and miraculously made it even worse. If I was the owner, he would be the first to go.


Did he hire wco Mcadoo, citing some analytics based metrics goal of Eli throwing 70%?

Think there's a clear pattern here.
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The roster is worse than last year, the defense is worse.
They weren't on in my area yesterday, apparently didn't miss that much. Don't fret, sounds like thy found a new long snapper at least...
I am not sure he will go though?
If they hang on to Shurmur, better make some coaching changes here, starting with the DC.
How does Atlanta have only 3 wins?  
Ron Hussler : 12/2/2019 11:33 am : link
Kind of surprising
RE: How does Atlanta have only 3 wins?  
Carson53 : 12/2/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14699596 Ron Hussler said:
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Kind of surprising
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I don't think they have recovered from blowing the
SB against the Pats. Look at their record since then,
for example.
RE: RE: How does Atlanta have only 3 wins?  
Ron Hussler : 12/2/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14699607 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14699596 Ron Hussler said:


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Kind of surprising

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I don't think they have recovered from blowing the
SB against the Pats. Look at their record since then,
for example.



Carolina kind of the same way after losing in the Super Bowl, you're right
'The roster is worse than last year'...  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 2:14 pm : link
It's not.
RE: 'The roster is worse than last year'...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14699900 Torrag said:
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It's not.


"it's not worse than last year" is the absolute best you can say. It's certainly not better. 'potential' that you have in young players doesn't put food on the table.
Come on  
Harvest Blend : 12/2/2019 2:34 pm : link
Cincinnati.
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