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Your take on coaching hires with a chance to be available

Giantz_comeback : 12/1/2019 9:42 pm
That we at least know of right now. About our only hope right at this point of this dwindling season (besides maybe a shot at Chase Young).

1.Jim Harbaugh- Grade: A. 44-19 with 9ers. Almost one a Superbowl with Colin Kap. Has clearly done it on every level. Quick turnarounds with almost every program he has taken over.

2. Ron Rivera- Grade : B/B+ - he has also gotten to a Super bowl and his teams play hard and a lot smarter than Shurmur has shown thus far. I believe there's a decent shot he'd also be able to get Norv to come with him. A Rivera/Norv combo would give us two competent coaches on both the offensive and defensive side. And hopefully we keep one of our only strong coaches in McGaughey. All with Carolina connections and history together.

3. Jason Garrett- grade: C/C- would be another Milquetoast and uninspiring hire after 2 quite uninspiring coaching choices here. Would need Marinelli to come with him just to make it a little more palatable. He would still be better than our last 2 coaches but to me we would be going from very worst to a mediocre Head Coach. Step up? Sure . But not enough if our goal is eventually getting back to a Super Bowl. Fear is with how Giants love guys with prior New York connections and familiarity they might jump at the chance to hire him.


4. Matt Rhule- Grade: C - after 2 unproven coaches in terms of being able to clearly win on the NFL level in Mac and Shurm, I dont think they go high risk / high reward with a purely college coach whose never really tasted being an NFl head coach. Could end up being a stud coach or total bust. Don't know if I want another iffy proposition.

5. Mike Tomlin- Grade B/B+- more a long shot because don't know if the Rooneys will part ways with him but if he somehow shakes loose would be a great get with a 3-4 background.
Best thing about that list:  
81_Great_Dane : 12/1/2019 9:44 pm : link
Josh McDaniel isn't on it.
RE: Best thing about that list:  
Giantz_comeback : 12/1/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14698792 81_Great_Dane said:
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Josh McDaniel isn't on it.


Lol good catch. To me he'd be a C- hire. Another guy with limited but fairly negative HC experience. Has ANY of the BB proteges become great coaches?
Tomlin  
Giantophile : 12/1/2019 9:49 pm : link
Is A#1 but he's not going anywhere. They're in the mix for a wildcard without Ben.

Names to add to the list, for better or worse:
McDaniels
Kris Richard
Mike McCarthy
Dan Campbell
Greg Roman
Jack Del Rio

Not a very inspiring list. McDaniels would be my choice, far and away. Of course Mara will just want someone to "restore Giants pride" aka get us to 7-9 and not make waves...

Smart money is on Garrett.
Kirk Ferentz  
micky : 12/1/2019 9:49 pm : link
Will make these lists as abligatory dressing to it.

And the cries for Cohwer..wash, rinse, repeat.
Mike McCarthy  
Giantz_comeback : 12/1/2019 9:53 pm : link
Don't know what to think of McCarthy. Is he only a result of Rodgers or is he an above average Head Coach???
hate mccarthy, hate garrett  
japanhead : 12/1/2019 9:58 pm : link
like rivera, like ruhle, like roman.

mcdaniels i'd be ok with but apparently he passed in 2018 due to gettleman or having final personnel say or some such. did mcdaniels call plays in denver? only thing i remember about his time there is getting rid of cutler and marshall, drafting tebow in the first and basically ruining that team before tucking his tail between his legs and running back to his safe space be coordinator under belichick.
I would add Robert Saleh  
Strahan91 : 12/1/2019 9:59 pm : link
and Kubiak to that list. I bet they’d give Dan Quinn a look too.
I don't see any coach that I love out there.  
an_idol_mind : 12/1/2019 10:01 pm : link
Then again, I didn't like the idea of Coughlin, either.
This is not a plug-in coach situation..  
Sean : 12/1/2019 10:02 pm : link
Hiring McCarthy and hoping to go 10-6 next year is the wrong move. The next guy must have a long term vision for sustainable success.

Rhule is risky, he hasn’t done it on the NFL level yet. Harbaugh has built programs wherever he’s been which includes the NFL level. For the crap he gets currently for not beating OSU, they are still better than before he got there.

I do worry that we’ve been so bad that we will go the McCarthy/Rivera/Garrett route.
I don’t want Roman-  
Sean : 12/1/2019 10:03 pm : link
I’m tired of hiring head coaches solely for the purpose of the offense.
McCarthy  
kes722 : 12/1/2019 10:07 pm : link
Would be a good hire.

Superbowl winning coach was also in the playoffs 9 of 13 years in GB.

Aaron Rodgers arrogance aside he did a good job there
Kris Richard...  
Capt. Don : 12/1/2019 10:12 pm : link
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RE: I would add Robert Saleh  
japanhead : 12/1/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14698830 Strahan91 said:
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and Kubiak to that list. I bet they’d give Dan Quinn a look too.


didn't kubiak almost die on the sideline or something? i don't think he's the guy.

i don't want any part of dan quinn. saleh seems too inexperienced.

they should take a shot with ruhle. plenty of college guys have worked out as NFL head coaches.
Kubiak was out of football for two years for health reasons  
Strahan91 : 12/1/2019 10:23 pm : link
but he’s back now with Minnesota and has done a great job with that O. Plus he’s a proven winner. I prefer him to most of the coordinator unknowns out there especially if a guy like Rhule is unattainable.
RE: RE: I would add Robert Saleh  
Giantz_comeback : 12/1/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14698855 japanhead said:
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In comment 14698830 Strahan91 said:


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and Kubiak to that list. I bet they’d give Dan Quinn a look too.



didn't kubiak almost die on the sideline or something? i don't think he's the guy.

i don't want any part of dan quinn. saleh seems too inexperienced.

they should take a shot with ruhle. plenty of college guys have worked out as NFL head coaches.


Too much risk and I agree with that thinking. I think after the last 2 they will want bonafide proven winners at the NFL level. Unfortunately that may include Garrett but that would also be Harbaugh and Rivera. Rivera I think is an absolute excellent fit. 3-4 background/familiarity (which I think they'll want to stick with) and then maybe get Turner here too.
RE: Kubiak was out of football for two years for health reasons  
Giantz_comeback : 12/1/2019 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14698860 Strahan91 said:
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but he’s back now with Minnesota and has done a great job with that O. Plus he’s a proven winner. I prefer him to most of the coordinator unknowns out there especially if a guy like Rhule is unattainable.


Kubiak I think has made it clear he doesn't want the HC title due to his health. But if we can get him as OC that'd be a great get.
Even Vince Lombardi.....  
thrunthrublue : 12/1/2019 10:44 pm : link
This season, in his current condition delivers a 2 and 14 record. Shurmur, must go, d.g. Must go.
Please stop with Robert saleh  
Tuckrule : 12/2/2019 5:16 am : link
The guy has 5 first round picks on his Defensive line And 2 very good corners. I can’t hear about a guy who’s given a top D and just lets 4 guys rush. He rarely blitzes because he doesn’t need to. Nothing he’s doing over there is special. He’s got great talent and says go get them. It’s sickening the praise this guy is getting. Bosa Armstead buckner Ford and Solomon Thomas. Find me a better defensive line. I could coach that defense.
'McCarthy would be a good hire'  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 5:24 am : link
Fuck no. One title with the best QB in the NFL. Never has a head coach done less with more.
Saban or Harbaugh  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 5:25 am : link
if they can't get that done go with someone tough with some defensive pelts on the wall.
^^^^  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 5:25 am : link
Not Rex Ryan.
RE: RE: Best thing about that list:  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 12/2/2019 7:38 am : link
In comment 14698803 Giantz_comeback said:
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In comment 14698792 81_Great_Dane said:


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Josh McDaniel isn't on it.



Lol good catch. To me he'd be a C- hire. Another guy with limited but fairly negative HC experience. Has ANY of the BB proteges become great coaches?


O'Brian is doing well in Houston and leading his division. Vrabel is somehow winning in Tennessee with Tannehill as his quarterback.
RE: Even Vince Lombardi.....  
markky : 12/2/2019 8:18 am : link
In comment 14698886 thrunthrublue said:
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This season, in his current condition delivers a 2 and 14 record. Shurmur, must go, d.g. Must go.


In his current condition, Vince Lombardi is unlikely to coach anywhere.

Give me someone who can build a program because this will not be an easy turnaround. I like Harbaugh or Tomlin.

There are college coaches that clearly know how to put a program in place (Swinney, Fleck, Rhule) but you would have to be prepared to give them a longer runway to do the same in the pros. There could be a learning curve.
What do you all think of Urben Meyer?  
Giantz_comeback : 12/2/2019 10:44 am : link
I think Jerry Jones may be interested in him.

Very few college coaches would I take a risk on without previous successful NFL HC experience. He might be one of the very few exceptions.
Would love Urban Meyer  
Oscar : 12/2/2019 11:34 am : link
Frankly I think these CEO college coaches are a safer bet than any NFL coordinators. They have the experience running a big organization. I would be thrilled with:

Urban Meyer
Nick Saban (old, but could reset things for us)
Lincoln Riley
Jim Harbaugh
Dabo Swinney

The trouble is I doubt any of them would be interested in the Giants. Riley, Saban and Swinney already have better jobs than the Giants job, with more stability and money that’s as good or better.

I would argue Harbaugh is in a worse job, but again it’s close and he has stability and major money. And a personal tie to the program.

Urban Meyer can pick his next job and I doubt the Giants are near the top of his list.

None of these guys are coming to work with DG or Chris Mara though.
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