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BBI Asshats: regime change?

AnskyJK : 12/1/2019 10:38 pm
Have we heard from any of the reliable bbi asshats on what they are hearing in terms of shurmur and gettlemans future? They seemed to be fairly accurate during FA with insider info
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RE: DG trading for ogletree is more than  
Jimmy Googs : 12/2/2019 8:23 am : link
In comment 14698926 Platos said:
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Reese did in 10 years to bolster the LB corps.

you guys want every acquisition to be a home run but forget our last good ones were when DG was pro personnel director.

have some faith.


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RE: im not making shit up to make gettleman look  
Mike from Ohio : 12/2/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14698928 japanhead said:
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better. shurmur being the third or fourth choice is something i read here, from a more credible poster.

i also think the obj trade was a good move, no matter if shurmur hated beckham, or gettleman and shurmur both hated beckham.

my only point, at all, is that gettleman is not the sole arbiter of personnel decisions or staff hires, so that laying everything 100% at his feet is probably misguided.

this is likely one of the bigger issues with the franchise- that the basic structure is collaborative to the point that it is a too many cooks spoiling the soup situation.

that all said i 100% believe shurmur is a far bigger problem than gettleman is.

ultimately i'd like to see mara bring in a head of football operations and let them go to work and relinquish control completely.


If all of these decisions are group decisions, I assume you also consider the fact that many of the draft picks you like may not have been the guy DG wanted? Or are only the poor decisions group decisions?

If he doesn't get credit for the free agents and trades, please also be sure to disperse credit for picks like Jones or Slayton which may have also been forced on him.
The way he blustered about Jones,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2019 8:52 am : link
I doubt that pick was forced on him. But it certainly was a collaborative decision. Both Shurmur and Gettleman talk about Jones like he walks on water.
From the BBI coaching list - assistant level / unit lebel  
idiotsavant : 12/2/2019 8:59 am : link
Mostly guys who coached one or two years here or there . Which is probably typical but overly done here?

Almost zero former NFL players on either side as coaches . Much less recent ones or with a unifying approach .

If someone sees any pattern to them system or experience wise, it's not apparent.

The RB coach appears to be a QB specialist.

I wonder if front desk could compile hours logged .

That would go for front office as well excluding nobody.
I was listening to the end of post game on FAN yesterday.  
Victor in CT : 12/2/2019 9:00 am : link
Banks and Papa were just killing the coaching staff, naing Bettcher and Shurmur. I doubt that happens if the word wasn't out.

Just my 2 cents, but am I supposed to believe that all of these high draft picks, many of whom showed promise last year, all suck and can't play? I doubt it. The coaching sucks. nobody improves, and they don't play to the strengths of the players drafted. SPielman was KILLIN Bettcher on the TV yesterday, one specific instance were he froze the aerial of their zone, nobody in front of them, but nobody looking behond them, asked why they are "covering grass". No pass ruxsh, but play asoft zone? Against Aaron Rodgers?? WTF.

And now they have Barkley playing out of McAdoo's enpty backfield shot gun. UGH.

Whoever the nes coah is, NO WCO PLEASE!
I have not heard an in-game color commentator like Spielman  
Jimmy Googs : 12/2/2019 9:07 am : link
make such pointed comments like that in quite a while.

Usually they give their insight in parallel with giving the coaches some benefit of the doubt, but Spielman was basically saying the Giant defense hasn't a clue as to what they should be doing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: we're still mad about obj?  
BlueVinnie : 12/2/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14699045 EricJ said:
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In comment 14698973 huygens20 said:


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not cumming over the first offer he received for OBJ instead of doing due diligence



you know this? Really? You know there were better offers from other teams? you know he did not shop OBJ around the league effectively?



No one knows whether we had better offers but we do know that he did not shop OBJ effectively. Don't you remember Gettleman's pearl of wisdom that you don't call other teams to initiate trade discussions because then you're dealing from a position of weakness?

I'm thinking of selling my car but I'm not going to let anyone know. I can't wait until the offers start rolling in!

Gettleman is incompetent and needs to go at the end of this season.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: we're still mad about obj?  
EricJ : 12/2/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14699190 BlueVinnie said:
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No one knows whether we had better offers but we do know that he did not shop OBJ effectively. Don't you remember Gettleman's pearl of wisdom that you don't call other teams to initiate trade discussions because then you're dealing from a position of weakness?

I'm thinking of selling my car but I'm not going to let anyone know. I can't wait until the offers start rolling in!

Gettleman is incompetent and needs to go at the end of this season.


That is not how it works in the NFL. If you think he did not shop the guy, then you and all of the other believers are nuts. Just because he made that comment? None of us believe Gettleman when he opens his mouth anyway. So, why believe that statement about not shopping a player? By the way, he is correct about coming from a position of weakness in a negotiation.

The entire world could see the situation and challenges the Giants were having with OBJ. Any GM who coveted OBJ would pick up the phone and initiate a discussion about his availability.

We can all wish for a new GM but that does not mean everything he did was wrong.

Bottom line...
Nobody knows whether other teams truly had interest
Nobody knows whether DG "shopped" him around the league
Nobody knows what the other offers were outside of what we got from Cleveland

Keep speculating
RE: i am saying mara has a say in coaching hires  
cokeduplt : 12/2/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14698910 japanhead said:
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it is not solely on gettleman, and that shurmur was not the first choice.

it has nothing to do with OBJ. what the fuck are you talking about?



You’re just making stuff up
an asshat thread  
hitdog42 : 12/2/2019 9:30 am : link
with 50 posts
and no asshats.

almost as absurd as a thread (which i sadly posted on) that gets 150 posts saying you like the roster of this dumpster fire.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: we're still mad about obj?  
BlueVinnie : 12/2/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14699220 EricJ said:
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In comment 14699190 BlueVinnie said:


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No one knows whether we had better offers but we do know that he did not shop OBJ effectively. Don't you remember Gettleman's pearl of wisdom that you don't call other teams to initiate trade discussions because then you're dealing from a position of weakness?

I'm thinking of selling my car but I'm not going to let anyone know. I can't wait until the offers start rolling in!

Gettleman is incompetent and needs to go at the end of this season.




That is not how it works in the NFL. If you think he did not shop the guy, then you and all of the other believers are nuts. Just because he made that comment? None of us believe Gettleman when he opens his mouth anyway. So, why believe that statement about not shopping a player? By the way, he is correct about coming from a position of weakness in a negotiation.

The entire world could see the situation and challenges the Giants were having with OBJ. Any GM who coveted OBJ would pick up the phone and initiate a discussion about his availability.

We can all wish for a new GM but that does not mean everything he did was wrong.

Bottom line...
Nobody knows whether other teams truly had interest
Nobody knows whether DG "shopped" him around the league
Nobody knows what the other offers were outside of what we got from Cleveland

Keep speculating


It's not speculating when one shares their opinion on something the GM states as fact. Whether it is a fact or not, I have no idea. However, you are speculating that what he said was a lie.

Keep on having faith in the personnel genius who has taken a 3 win team and in two years, delivered you a possibly less than 3 win team.
RE: RE: RE: HC hire  
BMac : 12/2/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14698908 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14698902 AnskyJK said:


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If ownership believes that pat to be such a bad hire that he should be fired in 2 years (I agree) not sure how you have confidence that the same man (gettleman) to select the next HC.



gettleman is not the sole force in head coaching hires, everyone knows mara has final say and is very active in this regard. it's why we ended up with mcadoo.

also, i believe shurmur was the third or fourth choice with gettleman preferring wilks or patricia



You're in overdrive - on the other thread you say it was Shurmur not Gettleman who wanted OBJ out, now Gettleman had no say in hiring Shurmur.

What's next - Shurmur waterboarded Gettleman until he traded for Leonard Williams?


No, he just tickled him until he couldn't stand it any longer.
RE: an asshat thread  
Anakim : 12/2/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14699246 hitdog42 said:
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with 50 posts
and no asshats.

almost as absurd as a thread (which i sadly posted on) that gets 150 posts saying you like the roster of this dumpster fire.


Until now! You (and JonC) are the resident asshats!
Too early  
JonC : 12/2/2019 12:27 pm : link
but not looking good, imo.
RE: Too early  
Josh in the City : 12/2/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14699694 JonC said:
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but not looking good, imo.

Not looking good for Shurmur, Gettleman or the fans who want them gone?
RE: Too early  
Anakim : 12/2/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14699694 JonC said:
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but not looking good, imo.


Not looking good in what sense? For Shurmur (i.e. he's gone) or for us (i.e. he stays)?
Shurmur and his coaches  
JonC : 12/2/2019 12:37 pm : link
Giants firing a GM after two seasons would be a jolt.
RE: BBI - the only place on Earth where Teflon Dave  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/2/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14698918 jcn56 said:
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didn't hire the coach, didn't make the major roster decisions (trading for Ogletree, trading OBJ), didn't decide to keep Eli, but somehow is considered the GM and lauded for the picks that his supporters actually believe are good (despite any empirical evidence to support).


Are we reading the same posts? A good portion of BBI is down on "Teflon dave".
RE: Shurmur and his coaches  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14699710 JonC said:
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Giants firing a GM after two seasons would be a jolt.


Of course not. We're bleeding from the chest with a gun shot wound, but Johnny will just apply a Band Aid.
RE: Too early  
Mike in Prescott : 12/2/2019 12:41 pm : link
Hi Jon. Thanks for chiming in. I think a few of us might be confused about "not looking good." In my case, that would mean it's not looking good that there would be any changes at all. LOL. That's my personal worst-case scenario. I'm guess, however, that you mean it doesn't look good for Murmer. Any sense of how the wind is blowing re our GM?

In comment 14699694 JonC said:
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but not looking good, imo.
I don't think it looks good for  
JonC : 12/2/2019 12:43 pm : link
Shurmur and his coaches, the local media that covers the team the closest has been beating them up big time lately. That's usually the first indicator change is in the air.

With DG, we know the Giants tend to not fire GMs. I don't think he's a goner.
Half measure  
Go Terps : 12/2/2019 12:45 pm : link
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With DG, we know the Giants tend to not fire GMs. I don't think he's a goner.


This would be almost as bad as no change at all.
not an asshat...  
islander1 : 12/2/2019 12:48 pm : link
...but I don't see the value in firing Gettleman. Really, I don't. A massive regime change will guarantee set us backwards - yes, that's possible.

He's been here two seasons. Both of his drafts have been good. He's been largely in cap management/recovery mode.

His philosophy as to how to fix the team is one I agree with. I'm personally convinced it's the coaching that's failing us.

Gettleman's failures: free agency to date, coach selection.

Issue for me is, most of you are giving him one chance. I'm not in this crowd. I'm giving Gettleman two more seasons. He needs to succeed in free agency these next two season (he'll have money). He needs to succeed in his next coach hire.

After that, if we're still here in two seasons, then yeah, I'll be happy to move on from him.

I could see them retaining DG  
JonC : 12/2/2019 12:51 pm : link
if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.
RE: I could see them retaining DG  
Go Terps : 12/2/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14699743 JonC said:
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if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.


Better now than in two years. If they haven't learned yet the folly of half measures, I don't know what it will take.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: we're still mad about obj?  
EricJ : 12/2/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14699276 BlueVinnie said:
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Keep on having faith in the personnel genius who has taken a 3 win team and in two years, delivered you a possibly less than 3 win team.


I personally do not necessarily have faith in him. However, since we universally agree that the coach is horrible, are we sure the additions are the problem or the coaching?
RE: I could see them retaining DG  
islander1 : 12/2/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14699743 JonC said:
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if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.


Honestly, there's an argument to be made that suggesting that moving on from Shurmur would be enough of a jolt. The new head coach would HAVE to be on board with Jones.

It's just unfortunate that we drafted our franchise QB of the future with an utterly incompetent head coach and staff.
Of course they'll retain DG.  
mittenedman : 12/2/2019 12:56 pm : link
You can't fire the coaches after 2 years (implying they're incompetent) and then say they didn't have the players.

If they are being fired this quickly it's because they are underachieving with the players they are given. And that's what's going to happen.
RE: I could see them retaining DG  
Mike in Prescott : 12/2/2019 12:56 pm : link
I agree. I don't really see any way that they dump DG. And frankly, I'm not in the anti-DG camp, so I'm good with that. All arrows point to the coaches going. I wonder who is on the Mara/DG wish-list. I would still send a pick for Mike Tomlin, but I seem to be alone in that one.

In comment 14699743 JonC said:
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if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.
RE: RE: I could see them retaining DG  
JonC : 12/2/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14699749 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14699743 JonC said:


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if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.



Better now than in two years. If they haven't learned yet the folly of half measures, I don't know what it will take.


I don't think you'll get your wish on this one, Terps. Suspect, hiring a third new HC within five years will represent enough change for their taste.
I know  
Go Terps : 12/2/2019 1:23 pm : link
I've been mentally prepping for Garrett for months.
RE: I could see them retaining DG  
Sean : 12/2/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14699743 JonC said:
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if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to
build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.


Then we are seriously limiting the HC pool of candidates and will end up with Garrett or McCarthy - just keep kicking that can down the road. When will it end?
RE: RE: I could see them retaining DG  
JonC : 12/2/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14699796 Sean said:
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if for no other reason than he drafted Jones, and that's their guy to
build around. If they move on from DG, the QB debate could ramp up quickly, and I doubt they want to deal with that option now.



Then we are seriously limiting the HC pool of candidates and will end up with Garrett or McCarthy - just keep kicking that can down the road. When will it end?


Who knows? If Abrams is DG's heir apparent, he's a complete unknown quantity in the football area, imo. Not even a football guy, to my knowledge.
Do the Giants want to win?  
Sean : 12/2/2019 1:28 pm : link
.
RE: Do the Giants want to win?  
Go Terps : 12/2/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14699801 Sean said:
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No. They hope they win, but they're not trying to win.
RE: It's pretty clear what's going on.  
an_idol_mind : 12/2/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14698896 Optimus-NY said:
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Hell, Coughlin wouldn't have been hired in 2004 had it been up to Accorsi. That was Welly's hire.


This is one of the great BBI myths, based largely on the fact that Accorsi said he got bored during Coughlin's opening statement in his first interview.

Accorsi and John Mara interviewed all the head coaching candidates in 2004. Wellington didn't get involved until later in the process, by which point Coughlin had already impressed.
RE: not an asshat...  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14699740 islander1 said:
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Both of his drafts have been good.


That is highly, HIGHLY, arguable, especially with 2018.
RE: not an asshat...  
Giantz_comeback : 12/2/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14699740 islander1 said:
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...but I don't see the value in firing Gettleman. Really, I don't. A massive regime change will guarantee set us backwards - yes, that's possible.

He's been here two seasons. Both of his drafts have been good. He's been largely in cap management/recovery mode.

His philosophy as to how to fix the team is one I agree with. I'm personally convinced it's the coaching that's failing us.

Gettleman's failures: free agency to date, coach selection.

Issue for me is, most of you are giving him one chance. I'm not in this crowd. I'm giving Gettleman two more seasons. He needs to succeed in free agency these next two season (he'll have money). He needs to succeed in his next coach hire.

After that, if we're still here in two seasons, then yeah, I'll be happy to move on from him.


I agree with this. He gets the next coaching hire and this year's big Free agency to see what they can do with the pieces he's assembled.
Best Sunday this season  
Thegratefulhead : 12/2/2019 1:50 pm : link
Went in with no intention to watch football. Kept true. Great day. Did not record, did not tune in to the NFL.
Pulled everything Giants off my wish list.

No longer going to get aggravated or annoyed by something that is supposed to entertain me. FUCK IT.

I do not care whose fault it is. If I had to place blame, I place it on us. YUP, you and me. Our fucking fault.

Why?

We show up, we watch and buy their shit when they feed us shit. We eat it with a fucking smile. No more. You should join me. The fuckers you want fired, will be fired if we close our wallets.

Fix it.

I don't care how. This is a multi billion dollar business. Spend some money and figure it out. Hire someone to evaluate you as an owner, the Giants as a team.
No homers.

NEVER Again hire anyone that tells you what you want to hear.

I am not following the team again until they give me a reason to. I will pop in and comment. I enjoy some the people here. Not giving them up. Giant's can bugger off for now. Tired of the rotten taste in my mouth.
RE: Of course they'll retain DG.  
islander1 : 12/2/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14699755 mittenedman said:
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You can't fire the coaches after 2 years (implying they're incompetent) and then say they didn't have the players.

If they are being fired this quickly it's because they are underachieving with the players they are given. And that's what's going to happen.


I may be crazy, but this is honestly what I believe.
This should be a 5 win team right now with the personnel they have. Even with the WR lack of depth and injuries.

I don't vividly remember the Handley days anymore, but this team, this year, is incredibly underachieving.
If we lose out  
Josh in the City : 12/2/2019 3:44 pm : link
on the top coaching prospects just b/c Mara doesn't like the idea of firing a GM after two years then this team is in far more trouble than any coaching hire can fix. As an owner, you need to do what's in the best long term interest of the franchise. Not what is easy and allows you to stay in your comfort zone.
RE: RE: not an asshat...  
islander1 : 12/2/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14699812 Greg from LI said:
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Both of his drafts have been good.



That is highly, HIGHLY, arguable, especially with 2018.


I suppose it is.
I guess that depends on how you view the class of '18.

One philosophy is that the players were never as good as we thought they were, despite last year.

My philosophy is that they have all gone backwards due to poor coaching.

RE: Too early  
micky : 12/2/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14699694 JonC said:
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but not looking good, imo.


So shumur is back
This GM traded a 3rd round pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2019 4:44 pm : link
Just to put one of his 2018 picks into a backup role. So even the GM doesnt believe its solely Coaching.
RE: RE: RE: not an asshat...  
jcn56 : 12/2/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14700132 islander1 said:
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In comment 14699812 Greg from LI said:


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In comment 14699740 islander1 said:


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Both of his drafts have been good.



That is highly, HIGHLY, arguable, especially with 2018.



I suppose it is.
I guess that depends on how you view the class of '18.

One philosophy is that the players were never as good as we thought they were, despite last year.

My philosophy is that they have all gone backwards due to poor coaching.


Your philosophy is also that they could take a step backwards by firing Gettleman.

They're 2-10 right now. Assuming they're 3-13 when all is said and done, what's a step backward? 2-14? Is that really a risk at this point?

The Giants need desperately to make some heavy duty changes in that front office, otherwise we're due more of the same, just with a different HC's name filling the blank.
I never thought most of them were that good in the first place  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 4:47 pm : link
Leave Barkley aside for the moment.....Hernandez was OK last year, he wasn't some instant star. Carter was the same guy last year he was this year - make a big play here and there and invisible the rest of the time. Lauletta was a completely wasted pick. People got very excited about Hill based largely on one game. McIntosh has been a total nonfactor from day one.

So, then, really you're just talking about Barkley, I assume.
RE: RE: RE: not an asshat...  
.McL. : 12/2/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14700132 islander1 said:
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In comment 14699740 islander1 said:


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Both of his drafts have been good.



That is highly, HIGHLY, arguable, especially with 2018.



I suppose it is.
I guess that depends on how you view the class of '18.

One philosophy is that the players were never as good as we thought they were, despite last year.

My philosophy is that they have all gone backwards due to poor coaching.

They had the same coaches last year...
Why would the same coaches set them back this year? That makes no sense.

Real talent tends to shine through even bad coaching. Tends... Not always, sometimes there is one little thing a player needs to learn to break through, and the right coach can make all the difference. I would suggest that is rare though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: not an asshat...  
islander1 : 12/3/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14700146 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14699740 islander1 said:


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Both of his drafts have been good.



That is highly, HIGHLY, arguable, especially with 2018.



I suppose it is.
I guess that depends on how you view the class of '18.

One philosophy is that the players were never as good as we thought they were, despite last year.

My philosophy is that they have all gone backwards due to poor coaching.




Your philosophy is also that they could take a step backwards by firing Gettleman.

They're 2-10 right now. Assuming they're 3-13 when all is said and done, what's a step backward? 2-14? Is that really a risk at this point?

The Giants need desperately to make some heavy duty changes in that front office, otherwise we're due more of the same, just with a different HC's name filling the blank.


Your argument is logical. I just am not convinced this should be a 2-3 win team.

I blame the entire coaching staff. Everyone but special teams should go.

Going backwards as a franchise is more than just a simple judgment of record. A new GM would potentially involved rebooting the franchise again.

I just don't believe we need a full reboot. It could take another two years just to get to this point again.

I'm holding the proverbial gun to Gettleman's head though. Now, he has money. He's been cleaning up Reese's financial shit for the past 18 months, but that time is over.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: not an asshat...  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/3/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14701262 islander1 said:
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Both of his drafts have been good.



That is highly, HIGHLY, arguable, especially with 2018.



I suppose it is.
I guess that depends on how you view the class of '18.

One philosophy is that the players were never as good as we thought they were, despite last year.

My philosophy is that they have all gone backwards due to poor coaching.




Your philosophy is also that they could take a step backwards by firing Gettleman.

They're 2-10 right now. Assuming they're 3-13 when all is said and done, what's a step backward? 2-14? Is that really a risk at this point?

The Giants need desperately to make some heavy duty changes in that front office, otherwise we're due more of the same, just with a different HC's name filling the blank.



Your argument is logical. I just am not convinced this should be a 2-3 win team.

I blame the entire coaching staff. Everyone but special teams should go.

Going backwards as a franchise is more than just a simple judgment of record. A new GM would potentially involved rebooting the franchise again.

I just don't believe we need a full reboot. It could take another two years just to get to this point again.

I'm holding the proverbial gun to Gettleman's head though. Now, he has money. He's been cleaning up Reese's financial shit for the past 18 months, but that time is over.

Reese's financial shit? Gettleman created more of the dead money on this year's cap than Reese did. Gettleman's financial shit has been just as damning as whatever residual mess he had to clean up.

Gettleman is very fortunate that so many fans think he's been more handcuffed by Reese's errors than he actually has been, otherwise they might actually hold him even a little bit accountable for this shitshow we have.
RE: BBI - the only place on Earth where Teflon Dave  
djm : 12/3/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14698918 jcn56 said:
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didn't hire the coach, didn't make the major roster decisions (trading for Ogletree, trading OBJ), didn't decide to keep Eli, but somehow is considered the GM and lauded for the picks that his supporters actually believe are good (despite any empirical evidence to support).


No one with a clue said that DG didn’t make most if not all the personnel moves here but he did not hire shurmur. Mara did. Maybe dg signed off too maybe not but Mara is the guy hiring the HC according to reports.
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