Lombardi: Rhule won’t take NYG job w/ Gettleman as GM

In comment 14699138 crick n NC said:

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In comment 14699102 christian said: Quote: In comment 14699089 crick n NC said: Quote: The love for Lombardi. I find him arrogant which to me signals he isn't worth much. That same sentiment could be applied to someone else in this discussion as well ;) Could be right. I am pay labeled as a defender, yet all I have communicated is a wait and see approach. Since I may take longer to make a decision I get labeled as a defender. Add to that when I don't criticize nearly every move. Each move takes time to play out. If others have the vision to see what I don't know that is impressive to me. I really don't have a problem with people questioning Gettleman, what bothers me is when those questions turn into definitive statements. It's the same if fans post that certain acquisitions or draft classes are a success before all of the information is in.

I might be wrong, but I read Christian's post as a suggestion that Gettleman himself possesses the same traits that you find distasteful in Lombardi.

In comment 14699088 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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That is not in their DNA as ownership.

The only thing in the DNA of ownership is losing. Time to hit the reset button.

In comment 14699565 Dnew15 said:

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who also hold the position of GM in the NFL in an official capacity: Bill Belichick The Houston Texans have a GM position listed, however it is currently open. Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, or any other NFL head coach that you would consider good is doing it with a general manager in charge of player personnel in some capacity.

I would toss Gruden in there, too. He is the $100M man in charge of all football operations. Mayock reports to him.

whether he is fired or not, DG is not long for the job. You want to sign here when the pick from the previous GM not the current one? What if Abrams is hired and is a clown and knows nothing (likely scenario)? Then you're a coach saddled with a shit GM. Who is the next GM if he is not hired?

Too many negative factors and questions with DG staying on.

By the way DG also sucks as a GM. Why would a coach want to work under him for any period of time?

Mara and Gettleman will be biased towards hiring someone who will be complacent with the current structure/not cause any internal conflict . Someone super eager to be a head coach regardless of the circumstances. I’m thinking we get a Marvin Lewis, Jason Garrett type retread

he was a leader of narrative that passing on Darnold last year was a huge mistake. He was a leader of the narrative that Jones wasn't worth the 6th pick. He was a leader knocking the return on the OBJ trade. In fact, here's a fun hindsight excerpt from what Lombardi "was hearing" last March.

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And Giants fans, don’t count on the NFL draft to provide a solution at quarterback. Numerous people have reported to me that the Giants are not in love with any of the 2019 rookie quarterbacks. Which means all that Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins-to-the-Giants talk is just talk.

So yeah, count me as skeptical that whatever he reports around the Giants plans is anything more than the usual talking head speculation.
Bizarro World: The Giants are lost while the Browns are the NFL’s new darlings - ( New Window )

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Giving away two picks for Williams was the last straw with this guy

In comment 14699134 Go Terps said:

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In comment 14699132 Sean said: Quote: Said he’s getting worse every week. I don't know if Jones is a bust, but he's inarguably getting worse.

Of course you think that.

You are so wrapped up in your own narrative that you bend reality to match that narrative.

In comment 14699782 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 14699134 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 14699132 Sean said: Quote: Said he’s getting worse every week. I don't know if Jones is a bust, but he's inarguably getting worse. Of course you think that. You are so wrapped up in your own narrative that you bend reality to match that narrative.

Yeah that's me, bending reality. Jones is at 6.4 YPA and turning the ball over twice a game in my imagination. I'm making it up.

My narrative is this: the Giants are 7-21 in the last two years and have lost 8 in a row. Everything should be on the table for change. I know that's uncomfortable for the fanboys, but you'd think they'd have learned by now.

In comment 14699762 Rflairr said:

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Giving away two picks for Williams was the last straw with this guy

I didn't need that trade to move me on Gettleman, but it was a move that floored me.

Unless the LW Team is as dumb as a door stop, this place is in for a rude awakening when LW starts his bidding at $17M/year. Not this $11-12M range some are suggesting.

In comment 14699633 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14699565 Dnew15 said: Quote: who also hold the position of GM in the NFL in an official capacity: Bill Belichick The Houston Texans have a GM position listed, however it is currently open. Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, or any other NFL head coach that you would consider good is doing it with a general manager in charge of player personnel in some capacity. I would toss Gruden in there, too. He is the $100M man in charge of all football operations. Mayock reports to him.

I mean maybe. I watched the Raiders HBO Hard Knocks series and didn't get that impression.

I also can't find Gruden listed as anything but head coach on anything in any official capacity.

This guy is wrong about 90+% of the crap he floats.

And if true deal with it because the chances the Giants remove DG are slim and none.

In comment 14699833 Dnew15 said:

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I mean maybe. I watched the Raiders HBO Hard Knocks series and didn't get that impression. I also can't find Gruden listed as anything but head coach on anything in any official capacity.

Who do you think fired Reggie McKenzie the prior GM to Mayock? It wasn't Mark Davis. It was Gruden. Who do you think hired Mayock? It wasn't Mark Davis. It was Gruden.

Gruden runs everything. He's the CEO of the Raiders.

It's not like he's unfamiliar with the subject matter.

Though I imagine if Lombardi were extolling the virtues of all things Giants the same people criticizing him would love him. Can't blame Lombardi if there's nothing Giants-related worth extolling.

In comment 14699105 Go Terps said:

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I was blasted weeks ago for making up this narrative.

Yeah well, no on will congratulate you or give you credit for being correct. It is about as rare as someone on the internet admitting they were wrong without a "but".

I see you. Pat yourself on the the back. You were right.

Yeah they sat around hypothesizing about DG presence as the Giants GM impacting his desire to work for the franchise. /shakes head

Sam Darnold was an obvious pick in '18.
Trading OBJ in his prime was a colossal mistake.
Josh Rosen was a steal via trade last April.
Haskins falling to #6 was the obvious pick.
Daniel Jones was a mistake at #6.

Do the backpatters just pretend those things turned out to be true because the Giants as a team still suck?

Obviously plenty of things have turned out poorly (Shurmur as HC being case in point) - but I'd estimate 90% of the oxygen in the media including ML, sports talk, and on this message board involved 1 of the arguments above in some capacity and from my view they are presently among DG's best decisions. Barkley, Jones, and Lawrence are the 3 most solid pieces of the core going forward and you'd be hard pressed to find 3 better pieces from the last 2 drafts.