Obviously we’ll have four months to discuss it but I wonder how people feel right now. I really like Jones, I think he looks like a good player. He’s more accurate than Eli ever was, seems to throw a catchable ball. He’s mobile, he seems like a great kid, smart, hard worker, etc.
I worry about his arm strength, how long he holds the ball, the lack of deep shots, the turnovers (although he’s only a rookie).
My gut says he’s a good young player doing what he can in a pretty bad situation. Not a lot of talent on the offense and the coaches are overmatched. I would stick with Jones. I also know I can’t scout or project how these guys will do at all.
I assume Mara will insist any new hires agree to move forward with Jones. This almost certainly happened with Eli two years ago, I think it’s a much smaller ask now; work with the young kid who’s played pretty well so far.
All that said, you don’t get #1 overall very often. The Giants have never had it. They have to at least look at Burrow.
Is he an all-world prospect? Should a new regime be allowed to take him if they want him?
He is older than Jones for what that’s worth. And LSU has a talent advantage unlike anything Jones has ever experienced. But still curious what people think.
Football is a cut throat ruthless business. If Jones is deemed expendable, so be it.
However, what really has to happen is that Mara can't put that qualification on anyone he interviews for GM. If you are hiring a GM you have to let him build the team the way he sees fit. If Mara has made the decision that Jones stays regardless of who the GM is, then he is becoming the de facto GM, which is a very serious problem.
For the love of god, no more "preserving continuity" moves for this franchise.
I could go either way with Jones. He's made a lot of great throws but doesn't do it consistently enough during games and it shows in the lack of points. It could very well be a coaching problem, however, since Shurmur's absolute peak as an OC was the no. 10 offense with a talented Vikings squad. he's sure as hell not some offensive guru.
It would be an interesting offseason for sure, but I doubt they are going to remove DG.
He might be the guy because thats the reality of getting a new coach, but this is hardly a team that can afford to quarterback prospects when the rest of the roster is in shambles.
He’s the kind of player you build a defense around. Jones has shown enough to move forward with him as the franchise. It’s really a no brainer.
He’s the kind of player you build a defense around. Jones has shown enough to move forward with him as the franchise. It’s really a no brainer.
Although I agree with everything you say here, but people were saying the same thing about Clowney and Mario Williams before him.
Also, only seriously considering head coach or gm candidates who profess belief in Jones is the same thing as forcing him on a new regime. In both cases, its ownership, in effect, making the key roster determinations. This is what happened with Eli two years ago, and it has set the franchise back immeasurably.
But this is likely a moot question. Dumping DG after this season would require a level of self-awareness and reality-based decision making that the owners have shown no indication that they possess.
Burrow looks like a great prospect. But he's an unknown. Jones has proven he can play in the NFL, and at a high level. He will be much better when his supporting cast improves. He has nothing right now.
I find it hilarious when people think he has to have a sack or highlight plays to have an impact. Did you happen to notice how many blockers Michigan sent his way? How quickly Patterson got rid of the ball? I also noticed quite a few pressures when he was one on one, one especially where he just blew by Runyan.
Use the high draft picks to fill glaring needs on the OL and LB; and trading down should also be in consideration.
And while we are at it, let’s do it again next year as well.
If we don't have the 1st pick and Young is gone, I'd look to trade the pick to a team desperate for a QB. Look at what the Colts got with the trade with the Jets - 3 starters with those picks, one an all-pro, another DROY.
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that was forced to pass all day long?
I find it hilarious when people think he has to have a sack or highlight plays to have an impact. Did you happen to notice how many blockers Michigan sent his way? How quickly Patterson got rid of the ball? I also noticed quite a few pressures when he was one on one, one especially where he just blew by Runyan.
I didn't watch the whole game but a good bit and ask the question for those that think he is the "goods". I don't watch Ohio State so I haven't seen all these games that he dominated. I watched this one because its finally good competition for Ohio St and Chase seemed very quiet.
I would love if Young is a dominant NFL player and he was our pick. But right now I think our 1st round could have much more value grabbing a bunch of red-chippers.
And while we are at it, let’s do it again next year too. You can never have enough qbs. We should have at least five on the roster. With the 5 qbs we have accumulated, we can Then teach them how to be tackles and EDGE rushers in their spare time.
And the real beauty of having 5 qbs is that as soon as one commits a turnover, we bench him and put the next guy in. We definitely don’t want a qb committing any turnover without receiving his punishment (benching).
I’m not sold on Burrow - firmly in the camp: one year starter surrounded by tremendous NFL caliber talent - but more sold him than I was on Jones. So Burrow at #1,2, or 3 may be a tough pill to swallow...
The other interesting question to me is what comp could we get in trading Jones? I’d love to get back more picks to offset the asinine trade we did to acquire LW...
They have to fix the defense and the OL.
And two more before pick #95 or so.
Mostly LBs and safeties 1,2,3, and 4 and center, TE and right O tackle 5,6,7, not by round.
Plus a new system on offense with an empowered proven real nfl level head coach who picks the assistants on both sides.
It would be the perfect spot to trade down a step or two and still get the player you want. teams at 2 or 3 are going to want a QB, and will have to bid for it to make sure no one else jumps up to trade with us.
Even if it's just a bag of donuts, it's still something extra.
the only QB I'd pick over Jones at the moment is Trevor Lawrence. I've been on the TL bandwagon since his first spring practice.
Yes, the Cardinals did it last year but Jones has played way better than Rosen did. Plus Murray was a better fit for the offense that they wanted to run.
I think Jones could run any type of offensive system, so it's a totally different situation.
Just for comparison of rookie #'s Jones vs last year's rookies:
Jones(10 gms) - 61.6% Comp, 2174 Yds, 18 TD, 11 INT, 84.0 Rate
Rosen(13 gms) - 55.2% Comp, 2278 Yds, 11 TD, 16 INT, 66.7 Rate
Darnold(13gms) - 57.1% Comp, 2865 Yds, 17 TD, 15 INT, 77.6 Rate
Josh Allen(11 gms) - 52.8% Comp, 2074 Yds, 10 TD, 12 INT, 67.9 Rate
Lamar Jackson(7 gms) - 58.2% Comp, 1201 Yds, 6 TD, 3 INT, 84.5 Rate
All of those guys, except Rosen, improved their numbers significantly in year 2. We should expect the same from Jones.
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that was forced to pass all day long?
I find it hilarious when people think he has to have a sack or highlight plays to have an impact. Did you happen to notice how many blockers Michigan sent his way? How quickly Patterson got rid of the ball? I also noticed quite a few pressures when he was one on one, one especially where he just blew by Runyan.
I didn't watch the whole game but a good bit and ask the question for those that think he is the "goods". I don't watch Ohio State so I haven't seen all these games that he dominated. I watched this one because its finally good competition for Ohio St and Chase seemed very quiet.
I would love if Young is a dominant NFL player and he was our pick. But right now I think our 1st round could have much more value grabbing a bunch of red-chippers.
I hear you, but someone who can get to the QB with regularity would change the fortunes of this defense in a hurry. And someone who's going to take up more than one blocker will help someone else as well.
As for having to prove himself, there is nothing left to prove. He's dominated some really good competition, and I'd wager he's going to do the same in the college football playoffs.
The giants taking a QB this year would almost insure they’re terrible again next year. They need immediate impact from the draft and a qb is going to just struggle again. Jones has done more then enough to show that with better surrounding cast and seasoning he can be a quality NFL starter. I don’t see star potential but I sure think he can a back end of the top 15 QB.
Changing the GM-coach-QB is hitting the reset button. Again.
Changing the GM-coach-QB is hitting the reset button. Again.
The Giants as currently constructed and an SNES cart have a lot in common. Sometimes you have to blow it out and hit reset a few times to get it to work
I'd trade down
This is a pretty confident statement about a player who is on a record pace for turnovers. Has Jones shown flashes of his ability to turn into a good player? Absolutely. Is he anywhere close to a sure thing at this point? Absolutely not.
Having said that - I'm terrible at evaluating who's going to be good in the NFL. I would make for the worst Sy ever.
That being said I am in agreement that DG should NOT make this call. If a new GM feels Burrow is the guy over Young so be it.
He’s got ball security issues and he doesn’t have a rocket arm. He’s also got issues making the right read. He’s a rookie so he’s got room to grow.
This. That being said, I'd have no problem sticking with Jones