He has 1 year of NFL coaching experience as an assistant.
When is the last time an NFL team has hired a head coach with only 1 year of professional football experience?
I realize he's a good college coach (47-41 career record), and he's from New York...but I'm not seeing the draw. Someone please educate me.
NYG are disgruntled right now and want any type of change that is outside the norm.
He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.
I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.
Rhule did a good job with Temple and has rebuilt a Baylor program that was left for dead. He’s a hot prospect and he’s interested in coaching in the NFL (interviewed with the Colts and had the Jets job until he refused to work with assigned coordinators) unlike say Lincoln Riley.
I also think the idea that you need major NFL experience is outdated. College football is serious business and lately the NFL has learned a lot from the college game.
He’s done nice work at Baylor but many coaches could. They have never had a problem drawing talent from that talent rich state. It’s a very good academic school with a good football tradition.
Temple? That framework was established before Ruhle arrived by Al Golden. Who really did the dirty work...
He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.
I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.
Are you kidding about Baylor? What he has done there is downright miraculous. That program was on the verge of the death penalty and was untouchable after what Briles allowed to occur during his tenure. Trying to recruit in the hotbed of Texas, Alabama, A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, TCU left Baylor with slim pickings. It's for what he has done at Baylor why he should top the list.
He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.
I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.
True, but the odds are that whoever they hire as an alternative will indeed be a mistake.
Rhule also seems to have a pretty good grasp for the in-game stuff like game flow, clock management, etc.
I wouldn't be disappointed with him as a hire.
Hiring him will just prolong the time period in which this team is a mess.
Coughlin was too old, not innovative enough for the modern game. A young offensive-minded HC was needed.
McAdoo was an immature child in his daddy's suit. An Adult in the Room was needed.
Shurmur is a bland loser too focused on one side of the ball. We need a rah-rah guy, a Leader of Men, who will manage all phases of the game.
I'm not criticizing any of these impulses - its perfectly natural.
He’s done nice work at Baylor but many coaches could. They have never had a problem drawing talent from that talent rich state. It’s a very good academic school with a good football tradition.
Temple? That framework was established before Ruhle arrived by Al Golden. Who really did the dirty work...
Your wrong about Baylor being a strong program. Art Briles had success with his offense but before that they were a lesser program. Look at their recruiting versus Oklahoma and Texas and you will see quite a difference. He is doing this with mostly 3 star players.
Goldin certainly laid the groundwork and he did so by hiring Rhule who ran his offense.He also had Ryan Day on staff.
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really turned programs around?
He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.
I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.
Are you kidding about Baylor? What he has done there is downright miraculous. That program was on the verge of the death penalty and was untouchable after what Briles allowed to occur during his tenure. Trying to recruit in the hotbed of Texas, Alabama, A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, TCU left Baylor with slim pickings. It's for what he has done at Baylor why he should top the list.
Well said Bernie.
Rhule may very well be a good option, but there is a lot of parroting going on here.
Coughlin was too old, not innovative enough for the modern game. A young offensive-minded HC was needed.
McAdoo was an immature child in his daddy's suit. An Adult in the Room was needed.
Shurmur is a bland loser too focused on one side of the ball. We need a rah-rah guy, a Leader of Men, who will manage all phases of the game.
I'm not criticizing any of these impulses - its perfectly natural.
I agree with this statement to a certain extent. I also think the Giants were victims of who was available at the time. I'm worried they will fall into the same trap again at the end of the year.
Hiring a new coach, not because they love a particular head coaching candidate, but because anything has to be better than the guy we got. That's not a good way to end the process.
Your wrong about Baylor being a strong program. Art Briles had success with his offense but before that they were a lesser program. Look at their recruiting versus Oklahoma and Texas and you will see quite a difference. He is doing this with mostly 3 star players.
Goldin certainly laid the groundwork and he did so by hiring Rhule who ran his offense.He also had Ryan Day on staff.
Texas and Oklahoma are consistently in the top ten in recruiting. So I don't know why we're starting with those two as comps.
On average, Baylor is usually around 25th in the country- some years higher, some years lowers - for recruiting. So they get players. They aren't scraping the bottom of the recruiting barrel like Kansas or Kansas State.
2. Local guy from New York.
3. Has coached within the organization before.
4. Has experience turning around programs under very difficult circumstances (Temple, Baylor).
5. Very good in game manager, and makes great adjustments.
6.Competes with big time programs, with inferior talent.
7. A young guy, 44, but not too young and immature.
8. He has the “it” factor. He commands the room. He gets and gives respect. Very detail oriented.
Now, I know a lot of this isn’t tangible, but he would be my preferred candidate. I think he’s up for the challenge of straightening out this franchise. He has long-term goals, and I think his personality will be a great fit.
With all this in mind, this hire would still be a huge risk. And I don’t know if a risk is what Mara would be willing to take at this point. I think he would have to completely blow them away, and be the best candidate by far.
His potentially candidacy shouldn’t be a shock: he was going to be the head coach of the Jets last season until they got cold feet and didn’t want to give him control over his own coaching staff.
Unfortunately, I still think that this hire would be unlikely.
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Your wrong about Baylor being a strong program. Art Briles had success with his offense but before that they were a lesser program. Look at their recruiting versus Oklahoma and Texas and you will see quite a difference. He is doing this with mostly 3 star players.
Goldin certainly laid the groundwork and he did so by hiring Rhule who ran his offense.He also had Ryan Day on staff.
Texas and Oklahoma are consistently in the top ten in recruiting. So I don't know why we're starting with those two as comps.
On average, Baylor is usually around 25th in the country- some years higher, some years lowers - for recruiting. So they get players. They aren't scraping the bottom of the recruiting barrel like Kansas or Kansas State.
You are making it seem Baylor was a good program. Prior to Briles they were a bottom tier program for a very long time. Briles had lost control and recruited questionable characters to say the least. Reminds me of Dennis Erickson at Oregon State. Rhule took a job with a major scandal and in his third year beat Texas and has another crack at Oklahoma.
The point is his team is playing at a high level with less than top recruits as both Texas (who they beat badly) and Oklahoma. The guy is a winner period.
I'm willing to bet 1% of the BBI population has watched 1 Baylor game from start to finish during the course of Rhule's tenure there.
I'm willing to bet 1% of the BBI population has watched 1 Baylor game from start to finish during the course of Rhule's tenure there.
I’ve been watching except I thought they had that Oklahoma game tied up I switched channels and they lost seen a few others this season I like the guy..... and I like that 3-3-5 defense they use
I'd prefer to hire a Saban or Harbaugh but if they aren't gettable Rhule is in Tier 1 of candidates. He ticks three of my most important boxes, a winning record with programs he inherited in a bad state, he has defensive roots and he's tough holding players and coaches accountable.
Really think about that.
Meyer (and Rhule) are guys that would want a certain amount of control.
In the Giants totem poll of decision makers:
John Mara (the real co-GM)
Chris Mara (the real co-GM)
GM
Head Coach
the Head Coach is pretty f#cking far down the list. As Mara said when TC left, he gave Tom more say than almost any Giants coach ever. Why anyone with a real say would sign up to that power structure is how you end up with Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur as your HC.
I like the way you think!
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Urban Meyer see if he’s interested , he said he would have interest in the cowboys job where I don’t think Jones would give him full control maybe giants job he would be interested in
Really think about that.
Meyer (and Rhule) are guys that would want a certain amount of control.
In the Giants totem poll of decision makers:
John Mara (the real co-GM)
Chris Mara (the real co-GM)
GM
Head Coach
the Head Coach is pretty f#cking far down the list. As Mara said when TC left, he gave Tom more say than almost any Giants coach ever. Why anyone with a real say would sign up to that power structure is how you end up with Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur as your HC.
I realize that Mitt just thinking and hoping Mara might be ready for that type of structure , I realize your right it’s a longshot