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what's the obsession with Matt Rhule on this site?

Andy in Boston : 12/2/2019 9:17 am
He has 1 year of NFL coaching experience as an assistant.
When is the last time an NFL team has hired a head coach with only 1 year of professional football experience?

I realize he's a good college coach (47-41 career record), and he's from New York...but I'm not seeing the draw. Someone please educate me.
Heís turned  
cokeduplt : 12/2/2019 9:19 am : link
Around bad programs very quickly and has nfl experience
I think it is not so much Rhule (although I am all aboard that train)  
figgy2989 : 12/2/2019 9:21 am : link
Is that it is the idea of thinking outside the box when it comes to a coaching hire.

NYG are disgruntled right now and want any type of change that is outside the norm.
Has he..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/2/2019 9:22 am : link
really turned programs around?

He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.

I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.
Well the Cards hired a HC  
Oscar : 12/2/2019 9:22 am : link
This year without any pro experience. So thereís one.

Rhule did a good job with Temple and has rebuilt a Baylor program that was left for dead. Heís a hot prospect and heís interested in coaching in the NFL (interviewed with the Colts and had the Jets job until he refused to work with assigned coordinators) unlike say Lincoln Riley.

I also think the idea that you need major NFL experience is outdated. College football is serious business and lately the NFL has learned a lot from the college game.
Look...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2019 9:35 am : link
there are many Giants fans who think geography (being from the northeast) and having some affiliation with the Giants are special attributes that create some mysterious advantage. Iíve never understood it, but itís always a driving force during these situations.

Heís done nice work at Baylor but many coaches could. They have never had a problem drawing talent from that talent rich state. Itís a very good academic school with a good football tradition.

Temple? That framework was established before Ruhle arrived by Al Golden. Who really did the dirty work...
Reminds me of  
BeckShepEli : 12/2/2019 9:39 am : link
The Steve Wilks obsession 2 years ago. Everyone here was loathing for the guy
Defensive Coordinator Option  
edavisiii : 12/2/2019 9:40 am : link
I live in RI and have friends that live in Little Compton. A year ago, Pepper Johnson rented a house for the winter. I know he was on BB's staff in NE and left because he didn't think he would ever get to be DC. He left to go to Buffalo but i believe he lost his job when the staff got fired. He has a history here, worked under BB and looked like a young shooting star. Thoughts???
Perfect...  
Bradshaw's Decal : 12/2/2019 9:53 am : link
I would love Matt Rhule... "the groundwork " has been laid by DG and PS. He would do a great job here. As a paid coach, I realized a long time ago that you need to get a shot sometime. I've met him at coaching clinics... He has great energy, is a teacher, and seemed like a leader of men to me. The Giants ties are a big plus in getting up to speed in the building and with management.
....  
BleedBlue : 12/2/2019 9:53 am : link
I think Mara should hire Anakim and I to run football ops. We will turn this thing around
I think Matt in SGS  
JonC : 12/2/2019 9:54 am : link
brought him to the BBI forefront a handful of years ago, as a possible successor to TC.
"the groundwork "  
Bradshaw's Decal : 12/2/2019 9:55 am : link
Part was a little tongue in cheek BTW..
RE: Has he..  
Bernie : 12/2/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14699223 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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really turned programs around?

He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.

I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.


Are you kidding about Baylor? What he has done there is downright miraculous. That program was on the verge of the death penalty and was untouchable after what Briles allowed to occur during his tenure. Trying to recruit in the hotbed of Texas, Alabama, A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, TCU left Baylor with slim pickings. It's for what he has done at Baylor why he should top the list.
RE: Has he..  
santacruzom : 12/2/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14699223 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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really turned programs around?

He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.

I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.


True, but the odds are that whoever they hire as an alternative will indeed be a mistake.
I don't have a strong opinion  
bigbluehoya : 12/2/2019 10:02 am : link
of Matt Rhule vis a vis the Giants HC job, but I've been really impressed by the way Baylor's defense plays. In the 3-4 games I've watched them, they play as a unit, with a lot of toughness, fly to the ball, and hit like freight trains.

Rhule also seems to have a pretty good grasp for the in-game stuff like game flow, clock management, etc.

I wouldn't be disappointed with him as a hire.
If the NYG  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2019 10:35 am : link
pick Rhule to be the next HC it would be the equivalent of the "remote throw" draft pick for me.

Hiring him will just prolong the time period in which this team is a mess.
Just as generals always fight the last war...  
JB_in_DC : 12/2/2019 10:52 am : link
Giants must correct for the previous HC hire.

Coughlin was too old, not innovative enough for the modern game. A young offensive-minded HC was needed.

McAdoo was an immature child in his daddy's suit. An Adult in the Room was needed.

Shurmur is a bland loser too focused on one side of the ball. We need a rah-rah guy, a Leader of Men, who will manage all phases of the game.

I'm not criticizing any of these impulses - its perfectly natural.
RE: Look...  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14699266 bw in dc said:
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there are many Giants fans who think geography (being from the northeast) and having some affiliation with the Giants are special attributes that create some mysterious advantage. Iíve never understood it, but itís always a driving force during these situations.

Heís done nice work at Baylor but many coaches could. They have never had a problem drawing talent from that talent rich state. Itís a very good academic school with a good football tradition.

Temple? That framework was established before Ruhle arrived by Al Golden. Who really did the dirty work...


Your wrong about Baylor being a strong program. Art Briles had success with his offense but before that they were a lesser program. Look at their recruiting versus Oklahoma and Texas and you will see quite a difference. He is doing this with mostly 3 star players.

Goldin certainly laid the groundwork and he did so by hiring Rhule who ran his offense.He also had Ryan Day on staff.
The Grass is Always Greener on the Other Side  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2019 10:56 am : link
on BBI
RE: RE: Has he..  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14699341 Bernie said:
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In comment 14699223 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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really turned programs around?

He's won at Temple and Baylor, but the groundwork at both schools was started by his predecessors.

I think he might be a good candidate, but the support for him is setting it up so that if the Giants don't hire him, it will be considered a mistake.



Are you kidding about Baylor? What he has done there is downright miraculous. That program was on the verge of the death penalty and was untouchable after what Briles allowed to occur during his tenure. Trying to recruit in the hotbed of Texas, Alabama, A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, TCU left Baylor with slim pickings. It's for what he has done at Baylor why he should top the list.


Well said Bernie.
I think at least to some degree  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/2/2019 10:58 am : link
we have some "group think" going on.

Rhule may very well be a good option, but there is a lot of parroting going on here.
RE: Just as generals always fight the last war...  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14699496 JB_in_DC said:
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Giants must correct for the previous HC hire.

Coughlin was too old, not innovative enough for the modern game. A young offensive-minded HC was needed.

McAdoo was an immature child in his daddy's suit. An Adult in the Room was needed.

Shurmur is a bland loser too focused on one side of the ball. We need a rah-rah guy, a Leader of Men, who will manage all phases of the game.

I'm not criticizing any of these impulses - its perfectly natural.


I agree with this statement to a certain extent. I also think the Giants were victims of who was available at the time. I'm worried they will fall into the same trap again at the end of the year.

Hiring a new coach, not because they love a particular head coaching candidate, but because anything has to be better than the guy we got. That's not a good way to end the process.
RE: RE: Look...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14699505 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Your wrong about Baylor being a strong program. Art Briles had success with his offense but before that they were a lesser program. Look at their recruiting versus Oklahoma and Texas and you will see quite a difference. He is doing this with mostly 3 star players.

Goldin certainly laid the groundwork and he did so by hiring Rhule who ran his offense.He also had Ryan Day on staff.


Texas and Oklahoma are consistently in the top ten in recruiting. So I don't know why we're starting with those two as comps.

On average, Baylor is usually around 25th in the country- some years higher, some years lowers - for recruiting. So they get players. They aren't scraping the bottom of the recruiting barrel like Kansas or Kansas State.
I know a lot of this is already been mentioned, but in my opinion....  
Vin_Cuccs : 12/2/2019 12:35 pm : link
1. A young, innovative guy. Not some re-tread who is a ďsafeĒ pick.

2. Local guy from New York.

3. Has coached within the organization before.

4. Has experience turning around programs under very difficult circumstances (Temple, Baylor).

5. Very good in game manager, and makes great adjustments.

6.Competes with big time programs, with inferior talent.

7. A young guy, 44, but not too young and immature.

8. He has the ďitĒ factor. He commands the room. He gets and gives respect. Very detail oriented.

Now, I know a lot of this isnít tangible, but he would be my preferred candidate. I think heís up for the challenge of straightening out this franchise. He has long-term goals, and I think his personality will be a great fit.

With all this in mind, this hire would still be a huge risk. And I donít know if a risk is what Mara would be willing to take at this point. I think he would have to completely blow them away, and be the best candidate by far.

His potentially candidacy shouldnít be a shock: he was going to be the head coach of the Jets last season until they got cold feet and didnít want to give him control over his own coaching staff.

Unfortunately, I still think that this hire would be unlikely.
RE: RE: RE: Look...  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14699655 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14699505 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Your wrong about Baylor being a strong program. Art Briles had success with his offense but before that they were a lesser program. Look at their recruiting versus Oklahoma and Texas and you will see quite a difference. He is doing this with mostly 3 star players.

Goldin certainly laid the groundwork and he did so by hiring Rhule who ran his offense.He also had Ryan Day on staff.



Texas and Oklahoma are consistently in the top ten in recruiting. So I don't know why we're starting with those two as comps.

On average, Baylor is usually around 25th in the country- some years higher, some years lowers - for recruiting. So they get players. They aren't scraping the bottom of the recruiting barrel like Kansas or Kansas State.


You are making it seem Baylor was a good program. Prior to Briles they were a bottom tier program for a very long time. Briles had lost control and recruited questionable characters to say the least. Reminds me of Dennis Erickson at Oregon State. Rhule took a job with a major scandal and in his third year beat Texas and has another crack at Oklahoma.

The point is his team is playing at a high level with less than top recruits as both Texas (who they beat badly) and Oklahoma. The guy is a winner period.
I'm calling BS on most of  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2019 1:35 pm : link
all of your analysis on Matt Rhule.

I'm willing to bet 1% of the BBI population has watched 1 Baylor game from start to finish during the course of Rhule's tenure there.
I would approach  
NikkiMac : 12/2/2019 1:36 pm : link
Urban Meyer see if heís interested , he said he would have interest in the cowboys job where I donít think Jones would give him full control maybe giants job he would be interested in
RE: I'm calling BS on most of  
NikkiMac : 12/2/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14699811 Dnew15 said:
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all of your analysis on Matt Rhule.

I'm willing to bet 1% of the BBI population has watched 1 Baylor game from start to finish during the course of Rhule's tenure there.


Iíve been watching except I thought they had that Oklahoma game tied up I switched channels and they lost seen a few others this season I like the guy..... and I like that 3-3-5 defense they use
'the groundwork at both schools'  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 1:46 pm : link
Umm that's BS. Both teams needed major overhauls in talent, philosophy and culture.

I'd prefer to hire a Saban or Harbaugh but if they aren't gettable Rhule is in Tier 1 of candidates. He ticks three of my most important boxes, a winning record with programs he inherited in a bad state, he has defensive roots and he's tough holding players and coaches accountable.
How have the last two  
Bradshaw's Decal : 12/2/2019 2:27 pm : link
Known commodities worked out as coaches here ? Some (slot) of you didn't even like Coughlin as HC. I would love a younger HC with great success at all levels he's coached. I really don't see much too lose... I will say this.. MOST would love his coaching style and systems of accountability.
RE: I would approach  
mittenedman : 12/2/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14699814 NikkiMac said:
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Urban Meyer see if heís interested , he said he would have interest in the cowboys job where I donít think Jones would give him full control maybe giants job he would be interested in


Really think about that.

Meyer (and Rhule) are guys that would want a certain amount of control.

In the Giants totem poll of decision makers:

John Mara (the real co-GM)
Chris Mara (the real co-GM)
GM
Head Coach

the Head Coach is pretty f#cking far down the list. As Mara said when TC left, he gave Tom more say than almost any Giants coach ever. Why anyone with a real say would sign up to that power structure is how you end up with Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur as your HC.
I'll say this about Baylor, too  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 2:36 pm : link
They've had a great year, but they've also been helped by not playing anyone worthwhile out of conference (UTSA and Rice were their two FBS OOC games) and a weak year in the Big 12, when no one else besides Oklahoma was good.
Iíd prefer Harbaugh to Rhule..  
Sean : 12/2/2019 2:42 pm : link
But, the fact is - most of these coaching hires flame out. Fans will be pissed if they go the retread route while others will be pissed if they go the Rhule route.
RE: ....  
Anakim : 12/2/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14699326 BleedBlue said:
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I think Mara should hire Anakim and I to run football ops. We will turn this thing around


I like the way you think!
RE: RE: I would approach  
NikkiMac : 12/3/2019 9:12 am : link
In comment 14699933 mittenedman said:
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In comment 14699814 NikkiMac said:


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Urban Meyer see if heís interested , he said he would have interest in the cowboys job where I donít think Jones would give him full control maybe giants job he would be interested in



Really think about that.

Meyer (and Rhule) are guys that would want a certain amount of control.

In the Giants totem poll of decision makers:

John Mara (the real co-GM)
Chris Mara (the real co-GM)
GM
Head Coach

the Head Coach is pretty f#cking far down the list. As Mara said when TC left, he gave Tom more say than almost any Giants coach ever. Why anyone with a real say would sign up to that power structure is how you end up with Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur as your HC.


I realize that Mitt just thinking and hoping Mara might be ready for that type of structure , I realize your right itís a longshot
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