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Allen in CNJ : 12/2/2019 9:56 am
I know this probably doesn't deserve it's own thread, but I figured I'd throw this out there.

Dave Gettleman has been very quiet throughout this dumpster fire of a season - could it be that he's stepping down (or being forced to "retire" similar to TC) at the end of the season?

We have a younger guy in Kevin Abrams who is here and awaiting an opportunity, and we also have a coach that may be let go very soon.

My point is, if Shurmur is fired, I would be that there's a good chance DG goes with him (in a graceful fashion) and then an organizational change can occur, where the Mara's and Tisch's can bring a guy like Matt Rhule, Josh McDaniels, or the guy I've been praying for for years, David Shaw...

What does BBI think about this?
Abrams?  
Sean : 12/2/2019 9:57 am : link
We need to stop promoting from within.
Fuck  
cokeduplt : 12/2/2019 9:59 am : link
Abrams, why would we want him?
Abrams isn't a personnel guy, he's a cap guy  
jlukes : 12/2/2019 9:59 am : link
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figgy2989 : 12/2/2019 9:59 am : link
DG has a graceful exit plan...  
penkap75 : 12/2/2019 10:00 am : link
He could always say he has to prioritize his health and go on "IR" like DeOssie.

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GiantEgo : 12/2/2019 10:00 am : link
Who knows what his health status is and he sure does talk about retirement a lot. There may be a better chance he leaves on his own than Mara firing him.
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cokeduplt : 12/2/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14699349 figgy2989 said:
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Perfect
The Williams trade implies the contrary  
George from PA : 12/2/2019 10:00 am : link
Do you think DG can trade 20202 draft picks ....if he was leaving?

He is here for at least one more year
I think people are massively missing the boat on this.  
mittenedman : 12/2/2019 10:01 am : link
Gettleman isn't going anywhere. Shurmur is taking the fall for this.
By canning Shurmur after 2 years they are calling it gross incompetence. Considering that, they will not also fire Gettleman.

It's a logic trail. Full blame will be assigned to PS.
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cokeduplt : 12/2/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14699352 GiantEgo said:
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Who knows what his health status is and he sure does talk about retirement a lot. There may be a better chance he leaves on his own than Mara firing him.


We can only pray
David Shaw?? People are still obsessed with that guy?`  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 10:01 am : link
Why?
Sincerely doubt DG is leaving  
Oscar : 12/2/2019 10:03 am : link
Almost certainly not of his own volition. He never talks to the media in season.
get rid of them both  
LG in NYC : 12/2/2019 10:07 am : link
Promote Abrams as the GM/Capologist (i.e.,, financial aspect, not personnel) and let the new HC buy the groceries (in concert with Abrams)
RE: David Shaw?? People are still obsessed with that guy?`  
bluepepper : 12/2/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14699361 Greg from LI said:
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Why?

Apparently some people haven't got the memo that Matt Rhule is the college guy we're supposed to obsess over this go-round.
The NFL should give the Giants a few years off  
Jimmy Googs : 12/2/2019 10:19 am : link
to stabilize things within and then let us come back into the league in 2002...
Gettleman is getting old and has  
Giantz_comeback : 12/2/2019 10:26 am : link
just dealt with serious cancer. He may want to hang them up of his own volition after this year. Or he may want one more year to finish the rebuild with our big FA money and a better coaching staff to right the ship with.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
RE: Sincerely doubt DG is leaving  
JohnB : 12/2/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14699366 Oscar said:
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He never talks to the media in season.


This is why he is quiet. No other reason.
Gettleman isn't going anywhere unless he's force to. And  
Blue21 : 12/2/2019 10:27 am : link
I don't think that's happening. As far as health reasons? I doubt it. He's probably feeling as good as he did prior to getting ill. He'll want to finish what he started and I'll bet Mara is pretty happy with the draft choices although FA hasn't worked as plan with limited money. IMO Shumur is gone as is the coaching staff and Gettleman will be here.
Harbaugh is the guy I want  
Earl the goat : 12/2/2019 10:33 am : link
Then hire the GM afterwards with Harbaughs approval
What Does BBI Think About This?  
Jim in NH : 12/2/2019 11:29 am : link
The Maras are probably wondering how to get in touch with Alex Webster.
Gettleman  
Marty866b : 12/2/2019 11:45 am : link
Should be the first one to go. You bring in a new GM and let him pick the new coach. Gettleman is a disaster and ownership must get rid of him if they ever want to straighten this mess out. The game has passed Gettleman by. Time for new and younger blood.
RE: Harbaugh is the guy I want  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14699456 Earl the goat said:
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Then hire the GM afterwards with Harbaughs approval


Better hope no one hires Urban Meyer, then
RE: Gettleman isn't going anywhere unless he's force to. And  
EricJ : 12/2/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14699435 Blue21 said:
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I don't think that's happening.


Right.. he said this was his dream job. Does anyone here think he will quit because BBI says he should?

Still waiting for a list of upgrades over DG if we fire him.

Anyone??
RE: Abrams isn't a personnel guy, he's a cap guy  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14699348 jlukes said:
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For a cap guy, he's not much of a cap guy.
RE: The Williams trade implies the contrary  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14699355 George from PA said:
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Do you think DG can trade 20202 draft picks ....if he was leaving?

He is here for at least one more year

Seems like your question should be, would Mara let him trade 2020/2021 draft picks if he was stepping down, but I don't see why Gettleman would be reluctant to trade picks that he won't be here to make. Some sort of honor to his legacy? If anything, I'd say that his pride/arrogance makes it all the more likely that he'd want to have his fingerprints on a player who is more of a known quantity than leaving behind a draft pick for someone else to make.
RE: RE: Gettleman isn't going anywhere unless he's force to. And  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14699637 EricJ said:
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I don't think that's happening.



Right.. he said this was his dream job. Does anyone here think he will quit because BBI says he should?

Still waiting for a list of upgrades over DG if we fire him.

Anyone??

We're supposed to generate a list of potential NFL GMs without the network that the owners have? Does that seem reasonable?
RE: get rid of them both  
bw in dc : 12/2/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14699381 LG in NYC said:
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Promote Abrams as the GM/Capologist (i.e.,, financial aspect, not personnel) and let the new HC buy the groceries (in concert with Abrams)


I know he is likely going to be the next GM but none of us should want or be excited for Abrams.
RE: RE: Abrams isn't a personnel guy, he's a cap guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14699642 Gatorade Dunk said:
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For a cap guy, he's not much of a cap guy.


They wouldn't have cap issues if the new GM didnt come in the door swinging and missing on free agent contracts, signing beckham to a monster deal then trading him immediately.

41 million in dead money is squarely on Dave gettleman.
Everyone needs to go  
Joey in VA : 12/2/2019 12:16 pm : link
And I mean everyone, from GM to shit head Chris Mara, Shurmur and all of these useless fucking scouts. Not one person in that building should return next season.
RE: RE: RE: Abrams isn't a personnel guy, he's a cap guy  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14699665 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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For a cap guy, he's not much of a cap guy.



They wouldn't have cap issues if the new GM didnt come in the door swinging and missing on free agent contracts, signing beckham to a monster deal then trading him immediately.

41 million in dead money is squarely on Dave gettleman.

Fair enough, but that dead money is mostly coming off the cap this offseason (of course, the enormity of the dead money scorched earth that DG created caused them to borrow some cap space from 2020 and 2021, so I view those restructures as extensions of dead money from this year), as is their expensive franchise QB contract, and somehow the Giants are only in the middle third of the league in terms of cap room. That's a reflection of the contracts that are on the books, not the ones that were jettisoned. Abrams as lead negotiator leaves quite a bit to be desired (unless you're an agent, in which case you'll want for nothing), IMO.
RE: Abrams?  
prdave73 : 12/2/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14699342 Sean said:
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We need to stop promoting from within.



Agree 1000%
I am gonna throw this out there  
Rjanyg : 12/2/2019 3:25 pm : link
Lets assume that with a competent head coach and defensive coordinator that this team plays better than our current record, let say that we have 5 wins right now and a 5-7 record with 4 games to go. Our coaching has been killing this team, asking them to do more than they are capable of doing. Would it be talent or coaching?

Looking at this roster, there is talent. The main issue to me has been the amount of rookies we are relying on this year. If you include Beal, we had 6 rookies on the field during yesterdays game: Lawrence, Ximines, Love, Ballentine, Baker and Beal. If Connelly was healthy he would be out there too.

On offense, We have Jones, Slayton and Kaden Smith starting.

That is a total of 8 rookies starting. I cannot recall a time when 8 rookies were getting significant playing time at critical positions. Shit, most years you are lucky if 5 of your 7 draft picks make the team.

Wrap your minds around that for 1 second.

The roster is young and the dead cap space this team has along with $23 Million back up QB is preventing us from competing.
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