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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/2/2019 10:00 am
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“If you ask me, talent-wise in this locker room, they’re better than we were,” said Jacobs, who lives in Atlanta but made a trip to see his former team in Sunday’s 31-13 loss to the Packers at snow-swept MetLife Stadium. “Player for player, they have more talent. You have to understand, when we won Super Bowls, we didn’t have these amazing seasons.”

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“We had heart, we had leaders, and we also had some guys who plain old didn’t give a [expletive],” said Jacobs, a fourth-round pick in 2005 who played through the 2011 season before returning in 2013. He played for the 49ers in 2012.

Jacobs sees plenty of talent on this year’s Giants team, just not enough wins.

“You’ve got Saquon [Barkley], the best draft pick the Giants have ever had at the [running back] position,” Jacobs said. “They’re bigger. They’re more athletic than what we were all across the board.”

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“Everybody wants to point the thing at the coach, but I don’t think you can do that,” he said. “You can’t tell me the guys aren’t coming to work trying every day. Everybody says the team’s young. This isn’t college, bro. This is the NFL. Are we supposed to be terrible until everybody gets to six, seven years [in the NFL]? We always told the rookies, ‘Week 2, Week 3, it’s over. Ain’t no more rookies.’ ”

Jacobs remains passionate about his former team and is willing to do whatever he can to help.

“I would move back up here in a heartbeat if I knew I had an opportunity to help this team,” he said. “In a heartbeat.”

Brandon Jacobs believes these 2-10 Giants are more talented than the two Super Bowl teams he was on - ( New Window )
I don't understand who he is pushing the blame to  
jlukes : 12/2/2019 10:01 am : link
he say's it's not coaching, but then he goes on to say all of the young guys are talented and just not performing up to their talent.
I don't know about this Brandon  
figgy2989 : 12/2/2019 10:01 am : link


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“If you ask me, talent-wise in this locker room, they’re better than we were,”


Hopefully he isn't suffering from CTE.
Love BJ  
penkap75 : 12/2/2019 10:03 am : link
He is my favorite modern Giant (watching since 80s).

I think he is somewhat right.
We don't have championship talent but we have at least enough talent to be average with the right coaching. And with the NFC east being shitty this year, a good coach could probably sneak this team into the playoffs.
More talented than 2007?  
Section331 : 12/2/2019 10:03 am : link
LOL. Let me know when Strahan, Tuck, Canty, Pierce, Eli and Plax suit up.
I agree with him.  
Andy in Boston : 12/2/2019 10:04 am : link
On 2 of the TD's yesterday...

One was when Bethea was all alone in the deep slot and never had a chance? Blown coverage?

And the one where Beal was turned around....why didn't they call a TO when Rogers rushed to the LOS.

Those 2 plays alone is purely coaching.
I don't care if Beal hasn't played much....this has been going on all year in year #2 of Betcher's system.
Brandon Jacobs is one of my all-time favorites  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 10:06 am : link
But this is a laughably ridiculous take.
RE: I agree with him.  
Mad Mike : 12/2/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14699371 Andy in Boston said:
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Those 2 plays alone is purely coaching.

He explicitly says he doesn't think it's the fault of coaching.
RE: RE: I agree with him.  
ArlingtonMike : 12/2/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14699377 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 14699371 Andy in Boston said:


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Those 2 plays alone is purely coaching.



He explicitly says he doesn't think it's the fault of coaching.


Then what’s the problem? If you have good talent and coaching then what’s the issue? Leadership on the field?
I'm down with coach Jacobs  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/2/2019 10:12 am : link
And he is right, you can argue this team is more physically and athletjcalky talented than his 2 SB teams. Both lines, EE, DJ8, SB.
RE: More talented than 2007?  
Gman11 : 12/2/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14699368 Section331 said:
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LOL. Let me know when Strahan, Tuck, Canty, Pierce, Eli and Plax suit up.


Yup. But a former player said it so it must be true.
RE: I don't understand who he is pushing the blame to  
mfsd : 12/2/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14699359 jlukes said:
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he say's it's not coaching, but then he goes on to say all of the young guys are talented and just not performing up to their talent.


I think he’s trying to say there isn’t enough leadership and fiery guys in the locker room.

I think. He sounds nutty here.

Miss the attitude Jacobs brought...maybe that’s what he’s getting at
Love Brandon but I can't agree. I'd take him and Bradshaw over  
Blue21 : 12/2/2019 10:19 am : link
Barkley and whoever any day. And as a previous poster said. When Tuck, Strahan, Pierce, Canty and show up then I'll agree our defense is better now. Coaching? That's gonna be the fall guy and he sure has left himself open to criticism.
Why don’t we have more ex-Giant players on the coaching staff  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/2/2019 10:19 am : link
I see it across the league, from the Pats, to the Eagles, the Bucs, etc. They bring in ex-franchise players to be position coaches. I’d love to see Pierce or Banks come in and coach up the LBs. Bring Rolle in to coach the DBs. Can’t be worse than the current incompetent staff.
LOL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2019 10:20 am : link
.

That's all I got.
So they're more talented, they're not winning  
widmerseyebrow : 12/2/2019 10:20 am : link
but it's not the coaches fault...

Uh, what?
90% of his assertions  
Giantz_comeback : 12/2/2019 10:22 am : link
like saying there is more talent across the board and rookies need to get up to speed quick is a total indictment against the coaching even if he threw a kindly 'don't blame the coach' in there.
No heart or leadership  
mattlawson : 12/2/2019 10:23 am : link
That’s not talent and not just on coaching
They certainly don't have leaders  
LIbud : 12/2/2019 10:29 am : link
at least none with any juice. Closest to leadership on the team is Michael Thomas (ST's and backup in safety) Tate (suspended first 4 games, verbally trying it seems) Peppers (new to team and in on the "communication issues" in D backfield), Sterling Sheppard (??) and maybe Ogletree (not much to say on him).

Vets need to set the tone first but they haven't from what I can tell and their performance on field precedes them. Who does the locker room look to? X and O problems aside, whats the identity of this team? Saquon tries to be a spokesman but what good is that right now.

Culture issue was part of DG's plan. He may have some good pieces (may) but who are the leaders. DJ
across the board this team is no where close to either those teams....  
BillKo : 12/2/2019 10:29 am : link
.......Jacobs not sure where he is going.

However, I think coaching and scheme is holding this team back from at least being competitive.

But beyond that, Shurmur is nothing more than a .500 coach as his eventual high water mark...and that's low expectations.

He's the issue and needs to be fired at the end of the season.
RE: No heart or leadership  
Les in TO : 12/2/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14699424 mattlawson said:
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That’s not talent and not just on coaching
yup it sounds like he’s saying there are no veteran locker room leaders who will hold rookies accountable

Strahan Pierce Jacobs Madison McCquarters Canty Rolle - those super bowl teams had guys who played with fire and would not tolerate half assed effort or mental mistakes
RE: Why don’t we have more ex-Giant players on the coaching staff  
LIbud : 12/2/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14699410 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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I see it across the league, from the Pats, to the Eagles, the Bucs, etc. They bring in ex-franchise players to be position coaches. I’d love to see Pierce or Banks come in and coach up the LBs. Bring Rolle in to coach the DBs. Can’t be worse than the current incompetent staff.


Jesse Armstead is on the staff in some capacity, assistant to GM i think. Loved him in blue, great Giant imo. Never here that he's a coach though. Never.
Depends what you mean by talent.  
mittenedman : 12/2/2019 10:32 am : link
Jacobs Giants teams were tough as nails. No toughness, no championship.
Brandon Jacobs thinks this team is more talented than the teams he was  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/2/2019 10:32 am : link
on? I know post football life is hard on these guys, but damn I didn't think we'd see sign of brain damage before he was 40.
RE: RE: I don't understand who he is pushing the blame to  
Gman11 : 12/2/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14699406 mfsd said:
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In comment 14699359 jlukes said:


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he say's it's not coaching, but then he goes on to say all of the young guys are talented and just not performing up to their talent.



I think he’s trying to say there isn’t enough leadership and fiery guys in the locker room.

I think. He sounds nutty here.

Miss the attitude Jacobs brought...maybe that’s what he’s getting at


Being fiery and all that is great, but you have to have talent to go along with it.
He also had Eli in his prime  
allstarjim : 12/2/2019 10:43 am : link
Who understood how to win. This team doesn't have more talent than that 2007 team. That team had tremendous veteran leadership and HOFers and borderline HOFers. It was also a well-balanced team with good players at every position group.

And when you have this many rookies playing, that matters. But that pass doesn't go into next year. Next year it's time for this group to nut up. He is correct that this team does have a lot of talent. There are still some problem areas of the roster, though. But there's enough there to start to win games. I'm way more optimistic about this team now than I was in 2017, though.
This is a completely contradictory take  
twostepgiants : 12/2/2019 10:48 am : link
It’s not the coaches and the players aren’t young

Ok.

But the HC keeps publicly telling everyone that they are young and not just young but “historically young” and thereby excusing mistakes and play and essentially alleviating accountability?

The HC message directly contradicts Jacobs message which after. A few weeks you aren’t a rookie anymore ie. Accountability for play and mistakes?
RE: No heart or leadership  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 12/2/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14699424 mattlawson said:
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That’s not talent and not just on coaching

We do lack the bleed blue lunch pail guys, like Jacobs and Diehl. These are low round picks who just love and are grateful to the org given the chance to compete and play. Years of crappy drafting certainly killed us in that regard, instead we're stuck with moody Janoris Jenkins.
Seems like  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2019 11:05 am : link
he is going in a few directions and not really saying what the issue is.

I felt in a lot of ways he was the heart of the 2007 team. Tough as nails and never intimidated. I think ultimately he may be saying too many pussies on the team in a nice way. Teams take on the personality of its coach.......
LOL!  
mdthedream : 12/2/2019 11:09 am : link
If we have talent than its all on coaching. That said you just can't have this many young guys playing. They had a lot of talented veterans to help the rookies do there job. Issue is we don't have veterans that have been here that long.
RE: Seems like  
Blue21 : 12/2/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14699543 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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he is going in a few directions and not really saying what the issue is.

I felt in a lot of ways he was the heart of the 2007 team. Tough as nails and never intimidated. I think ultimately he may be saying too many pussies on the team in a nice way. Teams take on the personality of its coach.......


Last sentence hits the nail on the head. Eric had said a long time ago and others have remembered it since that Shurmur is "Milquetoast". And to me that's a perfect definition of this team.
Jacobs shoveling the 4th foot of dirt  
GiantTuff1 : 12/2/2019 11:36 am : link
onto Shurmur’s grave.

I took this as a direct shot at coaching. Also a statement on the lack of leadership, passion, and communication. Who’s responsibility is that?

When ex players start chining in, after the Giant in house journalists throw dirt, it’s hard not to sense it being part of an orchestrated PR burial ritual of the HC.
he appears to be saying  
RasputinPrime : 12/2/2019 11:43 am : link
it is a lack of leadership and will.

I can't say I disagree because for the life of me I have no idea who the team leaders actually are with this bunch.
Lines of Scrimmage  
Montana_Giant : 12/2/2019 11:48 am : link
Hit it right on the head. We have a team of pussies. Just like their coach.
NYP
RE: I don't understand who he is pushing the blame to  
Jesse B : 12/2/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14699359 jlukes said:
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he say's it's not coaching, but then he goes on to say all of the young guys are talented and just not performing up to their talent.


Hes saying it's on the players and they lack self/respect. They should be intrinsically motivated. It isn't scheme issues its effort issues and players should take blame.for that
There is talent  
Rjanyg : 12/2/2019 12:00 pm : link
To me its cohesion. They look out of sync. I don't see too much passion. I don't know who the leaders are on the defense.

The coaching seems sub par to me and is a problem.

But there is talent. That is why I think DG stays.
Hire Him.  
Danthebigbluefan : 12/2/2019 12:03 pm : link
Don't care what bogus position you have to make up in terms of a title. He's exactly the kind of cultural injection this organization needs.
i would disagree with his assessment about the talent  
GiantsFan84 : 12/2/2019 12:05 pm : link
the teams he was on were VERY talented
I agree with him! The current team is more athletically talented  
CT Charlie : 12/2/2019 12:06 pm : link
than his former team is now -- in their 40s.
I will tell you what he got 100% right  
NewBlue : 12/2/2019 12:21 pm : link
When they won in those 2 Super Bowl years they did NOT have great years.....they got hot at the right time.
He's lost his mind  
Joey in VA : 12/2/2019 12:44 pm : link
Which no great loss to be sure, but those teams had big talented OLs and big talented pass catchers along with a HOF DE and front 7s we can only now dream of. Osi, Tuck, JPP, Strahan, Pierce, Canty, Cofield, Boley, Webster, Phillips, Burress, Toomer, Boss, Shockey, Bradshaw, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Cruz...I mean he's lost his ever loving mind if he thinks we have anyone close to any of those guys.
I think it's clear  
Jan in DC : 12/2/2019 1:39 pm : link
that he's saying that these players aren't taking enough personal responsibility for their role in losing. I don't think it's a mixed message.
He didn't make any sense on this  
micky : 12/2/2019 1:47 pm : link
He's acting like this day and age giants,...brain dead
There's nothing confusing about what Jacobs is saying  
eclipz928 : 12/2/2019 1:48 pm : link
He's saying that this team lacks heart, lacks leadership - it lacks character.
the team has talent but the coaching isn't the problem?????  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 1:50 pm : link
Brandon my brother you done took one too many knocks to the noggin'.

It's one or the other.
RE: There is talent  
Giantz_comeback : 12/2/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14699649 Rjanyg said:
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To me its cohesion. They look out of sync. I don't see too much passion. I don't know who the leaders are on the defense.

The coaching seems sub par to me and is a problem.

But there is talent. That is why I think DG stays.


Yup.
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