UFA LT Anthony Castonzo
UFA RT Bryan Bulaga
UFA LT Jason Peters ***37 years old
UFA WR Amari Cooper
UFA WR AJ Green
UFA WR DeVante Parker
UFA WR Robby Anderson
UFA WR Josh Gordon
UFA TE Jack Doyle
UFA TE Hunter Henry
UFA TE Eric Ebron
UFA FS Devin McCourty
UFA FS Jimmie Ward
UFA CB Logan Ryan
UFA CB Jimmie Smith
UFA CB Marcus Peters
UFA CB Byron Jones
UFA CB Ronald Darby
UFA ILB Blake Martinez
UFA ILB Cory Littleton
UFA ILB Joe Schobert
UFA EDGE Shaq Barrett
UFA EDGE Jadeveon Clowney
UFA EDGE Bud Dupree
UFA EDGE Markus Golden
UFA EDGE Robert Quinn
***CO (club option) EDGE Von Miller
UFA DL Arik Armstong
UFA DL Leonard Williams
UFA DL Ndamukong Suh
UFA DL Gerald McCoy
UFA DL Derek Wolfe
UFA K Greg Zurlein
UFA K Aldrick Rosas
I assume alot of these guys won't make it to the market, but here you go. Anyone know how much cap we got?
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J shobert or Littleton to play ILB alongside Connelly
Obviously resign golden and Williams
Chris Jones
Matt Judon
Blake Martinez
Joe Schobert
Blake Jarwin
Hunter Henry
Obviously I’m going heavy on defense
Switch to 3-4 defense with Willians Jones and Lawrence as starters
Hill Tomlinson and McIntosh as rotational
Draft
Trade down for an additional 1 and 2
1. Isiah Simmons Him and Judon and OLB/ Edge
1. Creed Humphreys Center
2. Mekhi Becton. LT
2. Jedrick Willis. RT
3 Comp JR Reid. FS
4. Zak Moss RB
5. Denzel Mims WR
6. Shaun Wade CB
7a ?
7b ?
Exactly. That kid is so talented but was kind of a slow learner and didn't have much QB help in the NFL. Kind of like Amani. Took a few years but the bulb is starting to go on.
The last thing we should be doing is plunking money down on skill players. Some fans will never learn.
We need foundational pieces. Blockers. Movers. Tacklers. Coverers. You already have Tate/Shepard paid. Barkley one of the highest paid RBS. Now you want to add another WR.
You’ve watched the giants the last five fucking years and your one free agent target is a fucking WR? Keep lurking.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Add in Parker and I like it a lot. Biggest signing though will be the HC , then OC/DC. Get that right and we can see a big turnaround like we've seen many times in the NFL.
Most people will wonder why McCourty with Love and Peppers in-house. I want these guys because of their veteran leadership.
I also would like Littleton because he fits this defense and is a good coverage linebacker.
But if we draft very well, then we'll be fine.
If we trade down, it's going to be hard to get two 1's, unless you're trading with Miami, Oakland, or Jacksonville. But I'd rather get an extra #1 in 2020 than two 1's this year (because, Trevor Lawrence). It's not giving up on Jones, but if you do get the opportunity to get Lawrence, you have the greatest draft currency since Andrew Luck, or you just take him and trade Daniel Jones.
I would still want more picks this year, obviously, get an extra 2nd and 3rd this year. But I don't think this team needs to go crazy in free agency. A couple of good vets that can positively affect the locker room and the field product.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
I still haven't forgiven Reese for Darian Thompson over Simmons.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Signing a 31 year old tackle makes no sense. Jack Conklin is the target at RT. You draft a center and live with Solder for another year until you can draft or sign a younger replacement.
My plan:
Conklin
Cut Ogletree
2 ILBs - Littleton, Schobert, Martinez, etc
Edge - 2nd tier guy (i.e. no Clowney) plus hopefully Chase Young
S - Justin Simmons, though if Love looks great I might stick with him + Peppers
Re-sign LW
Most people will wonder why McCourty with Love and Peppers in-house. I want these guys because of their veteran leadership.
I also would like Littleton because he fits this defense and is a good coverage linebacker.
But if we draft very well, then we'll be fine.
If we trade down, it's going to be hard to get two 1's, unless you're trading with Miami, Oakland, or Jacksonville. But I'd rather get an extra #1 in 2020 than two 1's this year (because, Trevor Lawrence). It's not giving up on Jones, but if you do get the opportunity to get Lawrence, you have the greatest draft currency since Andrew Luck, or you just take him and trade Daniel Jones.
I would still want more picks this year, obviously, get an extra 2nd and 3rd this year. But I don't think this team needs to go crazy in free agency. A couple of good vets that can positively affect the locker room and the field product.
Good coverage LB is a HUGE need. We need one.
My plan:
Conklin
Cut Ogletree
2 ILBs - Littleton, Schobert, Martinez, etc
Edge - 2nd tier guy (i.e. no Clowney) plus hopefully Chase Young
S - Justin Simmons, though if Love looks great I might stick with him + Peppers
Re-sign LW
Wouldn’t hate this plan but why sign a 2nd tier pass rusher? What’s the point of having the cap space to sign lesser players? Nggakoue is 24, has had 8, 12, 9.5, and currently sits at six sacks in his career. If we know we are getting Young why skimp on the other pass rusher? The giants would actually have a strength and something teams have to game plan for.
Imagine that? That’s the move.
Waste of money and you’re paying for what he was not what he’s going to be. We don’t need skill players. Have people not been paying attention?
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A.J. Green train, as long as the medicals pan out. I just believe, on a short-term deal, he can really help this offense in a big way, and he's not a diva or selfish player that is going to be a bad influence on this team. I actually think he's a wonderful fit here, as long as he's healthy. And I suspect there'd be mutual interest.
Waste of money and you’re paying for what he was not what he’s going to be. We don’t need skill players. Have people not been paying attention?
I get your point, but saying that we don't need skill players is taking it just a bit too far.
Yes, we need help in the trenches, but we also need some receivers that can get some separation. I do agree that WR shouldn't be a big FA target. I think the draft is where they look WR.
2. Clowney = Vernon. Big name, gets close a fair amount (though I think OV got more pressures/hits) but doesn't make the big impact plays consistently.
3. Barrett - leery of his play this year. He literally has more sacks this season than the first 5 years of his career combined.
Golden on a 3 yr/$30M deal with Chase Young opposite him could actually outperform his contract.
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to stick with the 3-4 or go to the 4-3.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Signing a 31 year old tackle makes no sense. Jack Conklin is the target at RT. You draft a center and live with Solder for another year until you can draft or sign a younger replacement.
That 31 year old tackle has been 1 of the top 5 best LT over the past 3 years. And guys like Whitworth have performed at a high level up to age 37+
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A.J. Green train, as long as the medicals pan out. I just believe, on a short-term deal, he can really help this offense in a big way, and he's not a diva or selfish player that is going to be a bad influence on this team. I actually think he's a wonderful fit here, as long as he's healthy. And I suspect there'd be mutual interest.
Waste of money and you’re paying for what he was not what he’s going to be. We don’t need skill players. Have people not been paying attention?
It really wouldn't be a waste. I don't think he's going to cost a ton. His value has taken a big hit, and he can potentially give you a really good year, and he'd help a lot on the outside. I also think we need to draft a WR. But I'd prefer we do that with a mid-round developmental pick and have Green in house. I think he'll sign a prove it deal, and he wouldn't prevent us from doing what we need to do at other positions. He'll be 32 next season, you can get him on a 2 year deal, put more of the money on the back end when Tate is no longer here, and you're fine. He'd be a legit deep threat who can go up and get it, win those one-on-one's. I think people assume he's too old or broken down but that's why you do the physical and get a good bill of health before you sign. But he's not too old, and he's 6'5". We haven't really had a target like him since Plaxico.
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A.J. Green train, as long as the medicals pan out. I just believe, on a short-term deal, he can really help this offense in a big way, and he's not a diva or selfish player that is going to be a bad influence on this team. I actually think he's a wonderful fit here, as long as he's healthy. And I suspect there'd be mutual interest.
Waste of money and you’re paying for what he was not what he’s going to be. We don’t need skill players. Have people not been paying attention?
It really wouldn't be a waste. I don't think he's going to cost a ton. His value has taken a big hit, and he can potentially give you a really good year, and he'd help a lot on the outside. I also think we need to draft a WR. But I'd prefer we do that with a mid-round developmental pick and have Green in house. I think he'll sign a prove it deal, and he wouldn't prevent us from doing what we need to do at other positions. He'll be 32 next season, you can get him on a 2 year deal, put more of the money on the back end when Tate is no longer here, and you're fine. He'd be a legit deep threat who can go up and get it, win those one-on-one's. I think people assume he's too old or broken down but that's why you do the physical and get a good bill of health before you sign. But he's not too old, and he's 6'5". We haven't really had a target like him since Plaxico.
You haven’t learned a damn thing
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to stick with the 3-4 or go to the 4-3.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Signing a 31 year old tackle makes no sense. Jack Conklin is the target at RT. You draft a center and live with Solder for another year until you can draft or sign a younger replacement.
Live with Solder for another year? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I would actually try Solder at RT next year, but you honestly would keep him at LT for another year? REALLY?
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to stick with the 3-4 or go to the 4-3.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Signing a 31 year old tackle makes no sense. Jack Conklin is the target at RT. You draft a center and live with Solder for another year until you can draft or sign a younger replacement.
Live with Solder for another year? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I would actually try Solder at RT next year, but you honestly would keep him at LT for another year? REALLY?
Yes. You don’t sign older players in free agency when you’re a rebuilding team, Now, if somehow they pick out of chase range then I draft his replacement and move him to RT like you suggest.
My FA targets are all young guys. Guys who can be here when the team is good. Conlklin, Jones, Yannick.
Terrible use of cap to sign a high-end veteran WR.
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A.J. Green train, as long as the medicals pan out. I just believe, on a short-term deal, he can really help this offense in a big way, and he's not a diva or selfish player that is going to be a bad influence on this team. I actually think he's a wonderful fit here, as long as he's healthy. And I suspect there'd be mutual interest.
Waste of money and you’re paying for what he was not what he’s going to be. We don’t need skill players. Have people not been paying attention?
It really wouldn't be a waste. I don't think he's going to cost a ton. His value has taken a big hit, and he can potentially give you a really good year, and he'd help a lot on the outside. I also think we need to draft a WR. But I'd prefer we do that with a mid-round developmental pick and have Green in house. I think he'll sign a prove it deal, and he wouldn't prevent us from doing what we need to do at other positions. He'll be 32 next season, you can get him on a 2 year deal, put more of the money on the back end when Tate is no longer here, and you're fine. He'd be a legit deep threat who can go up and get it, win those one-on-one's. I think people assume he's too old or broken down but that's why you do the physical and get a good bill of health before you sign. But he's not too old, and he's 6'5". We haven't really had a target like him since Plaxico.
You haven’t learned a damn thing
Settle down, bippy. You aren't the smartest guy ever, ok? You think because we have other needs we shouldn't sign a skill player. I don't think that because we sign Green we can't do the other stuff. We can do both. I agree we need OL, we need edge, we need linebacker help. But you can do that and add Green, who I think would fit this team like a glove and really change how teams defend us, as well as help Jones a lot.
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to stick with the 3-4 or go to the 4-3.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Signing a 31 year old tackle makes no sense. Jack Conklin is the target at RT. You draft a center and live with Solder for another year until you can draft or sign a younger replacement.
Live with Solder for another year? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I would actually try Solder at RT next year, but you honestly would keep him at LT for another year? REALLY?
Yes. You don’t sign older players in free agency when you’re a rebuilding team, Now, if somehow they pick out of chase range then I draft his replacement and move him to RT like you suggest.
My FA targets are all young guys. Guys who can be here when the team is good. Conlklin, Jones, Yannick.
How can you honestly sit there and think it's a good idea to play Solder at LT next season?
Terrible use of cap to sign a high-end veteran WR.
Wouldn't sign a "high-end veteran WR," but I would absolutely draft one. WR is one of our biggest positions of need. Plus, I'd like to get someone with fucking size. Shep, Tate, Slayton...get me an outside guy who is 6'3 or taller who can win those jumpballs.
Terrible use of cap to sign a high-end veteran WR.
Bob I think our WR group is terribly incomplete. I like Golden Tate, but he's not best suited on the outside. Shepard is a slot, and Slayton isn't a complete WR. He may become one, but he's not that now, and there's no promises he'll ever develop much more than what he is right now. We are dangerously close to not having any weapons in the pass game. Shep's concussion issue means we'll always have to worry about his availability. Tate has missed some games, and Slayton is a wish and a prayer. Engram also hasn't proven to be available very much. You need to have a credible threat in the passing game, preferably on the outside. Green, Parker, Amari Cooper...they do that. I much prefer Green as I'm not a believer in Parker because he's finally been able to have a couple of good games. Cooper is going to cost a ton.
But whether or not we sign any of them, this group is thin, does not have any long-term legitimate talents to grow with Jones outside of a maybe with Slayton. We need to hit the position in the draft, but I think this team can compete next year if they were to make the right adds to the team to shore up defense, and yes, add a legitimate playmaker on the outside. They still need OL, and yes, that's the priority, but this WR group isn't scaring anyone.
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to stick with the 3-4 or go to the 4-3.
As of now, I want Castonzo and Justin Simmons
Signing a 31 year old tackle makes no sense. Jack Conklin is the target at RT. You draft a center and live with Solder for another year until you can draft or sign a younger replacement.
Live with Solder for another year? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I would actually try Solder at RT next year, but you honestly would keep him at LT for another year? REALLY?
Yes. You don’t sign older players in free agency when you’re a rebuilding team, Now, if somehow they pick out of chase range then I draft his replacement and move him to RT like you suggest.
My FA targets are all young guys. Guys who can be here when the team is good. Conlklin, Jones, Yannick.
If we cut all the guys that are no brainer cuts, we could afford those 3 and a whole lot more.
Those are pretty much my top targets too, and you will pay through the nose for youth. On the other hand theres nothing wrong with ALSO getting some good older players too who wont command quite as much.
With the amount of resources we have theres absolutely no reason why we cant be a good team next year. It will take a great job done by the GM but it 1000% can be done. I'm sorry to be that guy but make me GM and hand me all this shit, and I'll have us at least competing for a playoff spot next year.
What isnt gonna get us anywhere is letting low ambition dictate certain moves, I dont wanna hear "ah we might as well keep Solder cause we're gonna suck anyway". Never gonna get anywhere like that. If I'm Mara and I overheard Gettleman say something like that he would immediately be out on his ass.
And I suspect for better or worse DG will swing for the fences this offseason, if for no other reason than his seat getting hot.
No. We're not doing this Philadelphia 76ers tankathon shit for 5 fuckin years. This is football, theres no excuse for a rebuild to take that long. Usually what keeps teams in an elongated rebuild is scrambling to nail down a franchise QB. I believe we've got ours, the hard part is over. It is not difficult to take this gold mine of resources and build a good team around your franchise QB. These are not unrealistic expectations.
Fix the RT and center position this offseason where there are options that fit our timeline. You replace solder the following year when there is no dead money in cutting him.
Or, even if that's a push I believe it's high time we applied the 'unusually talented ' logic ( such as that we tried on O for many years)...on D.
And that means drafting them because sick skills and great speed dont break free in free agency.
So: Right tackle and center via free agency, maybe tight end and maybe a RB, all to closely match a new system .
That's not a huge ask. System players at less hyped positions. For year1.
Draft: crazy talents with great speed at free safety (2 of them) ilb (one speedy and great and one thumper but with great football instincts) and an edge player'. That's basically the whole draft and might dictate trades .
Maybe draft Projects at C and TE late, maybe a system RB here late (burst to edge).
Add the fact that if the seas part, and the QB is not accounted for, he not only moves the chains but gets 20.
shepard
He has given up 3 sacks, 2 QB hits and has only had 1 penalty ALL SEASON... he is consistent.
Just as an aside, I don't think the Giants have had a great FS since Spider Lockart or a great center since Greg Larson. It's been a while hasn't it?
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Really a top 5 LT? Is he that good?
He has given up 3 sacks, 2 QB hits and has only had 1 penalty ALL SEASON... he is consistent.
For context Solder has given that up in 1 game. Lololol
Just as an aside, I don't think the Giants have had a great FS since Spider Lockart or a great center since Greg Larson. It's been a while hasn't it?
Kenny Phillips had his moments before he got hurt
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ORT, OLT, C, MLB and FS. The offense plays every week with three less players on offense and two on defense. Whatever they do, those positions need to be filled with someone other than the players that are there now.
Just as an aside, I don't think the Giants have had a great FS since Spider Lockart or a great center since Greg Larson. It's been a while hasn't it?
Kenny Phillips had his moments before he got hurt
There've been a number of decent FS but no one seems to last very long for one reason or another.
Kenny Phillips would be the minimum expectation at safety. Not a luxury pick.
Dupree — Young ER who may walk bc Pitt is up against the cap. Really productive this year playing opposite Watt in a 3-4. Pitt’s D is keeping them in the hunt and he’s part of the reason why.
Simmons — cover safety who frequently covers slot receivers which is a bonus considering how bad the Giants have been vs the slot this year. Nice compliment to Peppers and can really bring it all together in the secondary.
**Hit MLB with a bargain signing after the big names sign. None of the “big” names are worth overpaying for.**
***Draft Chase Young 1 and Biadasz 2. If a quality C isn’t there draft a LT to push Solder.***
Kick ass in 2020 with a monster front on D and a much improved OL on offense.