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NFT: Why is Management in Hiding?

nyjuggernaut2 : 12/2/2019 11:17 am
The team is in turmoil right now, and we have heard nothing from Dave Gettlemen or John Mara. In my opinion as a fan it would be nice to get some insight from management as to why things have gotten so ugly in their eyes, and how this is going to get fixed.
They don't want to answer the the questions they know  
Blue21 : 12/2/2019 11:24 am : link
are going to be asked. Such as "Is Pat Shurmur's job safe?" Also, Pat Shurmur has said he's see's improvement when they are practicing, do you agree? And when they start winning everyone will now see what he's been seeing and saying are you satisfied with that statement?. The last being the dumbest response by a coach I can imagine. They know it would be ugly to speak now. And the fact they haven't come out on their own to say they support the coach and his efforts speaks volumes.
The thing about the comment about seeing what he  
RDJR : 12/2/2019 11:28 am : link
is seeing when we start winning is that he has players, Saquon, repeating that mantra. Itís sickening. Wís and Lís is all that matters.
Their silence tells you a lot already.  
Optimus-NY : 12/2/2019 11:31 am : link
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They Dont talk to the media  
MBavaro : 12/2/2019 11:35 am : link
during the season, unless a major situation arises (Eli's benching). Never have, never will.
Perhaps  
AcidTest : 12/2/2019 11:35 am : link
because we are 2-10, and have lost eight straight games.
Because  
cokeduplt : 12/2/2019 12:16 pm : link
They suck and they know it
You won't hear from any of them  
Mike from Ohio : 12/2/2019 12:17 pm : link
until the season is over, or if they let Shurmur go earlier than that. Generally, nobody other than the HC speaks about the team in-season. That is the way the Giants have always done it.

Right now there is nothing to say aside from "I'm sorry we suck so bad. Hopefully we will stop sucking soon."
It  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/2/2019 12:18 pm : link
makes no sense for them to do so now.
Fans are not stockholders.  
flycatcher : 12/2/2019 12:33 pm : link
We aren't owed any explanations or progress reports. The front office is surely working hard to right the ship. They've done it before.

What can management say at this point? Can ownership put out P.R. that would help get a W in Philly Sunday? Can Gettleman make a statement that would change anything substantively?

I've wondered how Pat Hanlon must feel when he sees fickle fans say/write/post nasty crap about the front office, but just a few years ago the same were ecstatic with Super Bowl glory.
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GiantEgo : 12/2/2019 12:33 pm : link
They are going for a franchise record 9 game losing streak next week. No time to rock the boat.
We shouldn't hear from management  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 12/2/2019 12:35 pm : link
during the season.
They deserve to be grilled...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2019 12:41 pm : link
by the media. And right now.

These jackasses got us into this mess, while getting even wealthier, and we shouldn't just wait because of some silly, unwritten protocol about timing.
So you want them to be like Jerry Jones?  
mdthedream : 12/2/2019 12:47 pm : link
Why do they need to tell us anything? Let them run the team its not like its going to change anything.
Really...  
BamaBlue : 12/2/2019 12:48 pm : link
what could they say that would be any different from what we know. I don't think they're hiding in the bunker and hoping things will magically get better.

I'm glad they're shutting-up. It spares us all of the body language and literal versus figurative speculation...
RE: They deserve to be grilled...  
Mike from Ohio : 12/2/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14699720 bw in dc said:
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by the media. And right now.

These jackasses got us into this mess, while getting even wealthier, and we shouldn't just wait because of some silly, unwritten protocol about timing.


That's an emotional reaction, not a pragmatic one. What will having DG and Mara grilled by the media do, other than make angry fans feel better momentarily?

I am not a fan of this regime at all, but the calls for some sort of public flogging are infantile.
I don't understand the pitchfork mentality  
UConn4523 : 12/2/2019 1:00 pm : link
the team sucks, stop watching and buying Giants stuff if you want to make a difference. Wanting a press conference doesn't do anything.
I'd be shocked if the person/people who put this roster together  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/2/2019 1:03 pm : link
could actually string together a coherent thought. What are you expecting to hear them say? If you go strictly by their roster construction these past two years, I'd imagine you'd get nothing but staring off into space with drool hanging down from their mouths.
RE: RE: They deserve to be grilled...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14699741 Mike from Ohio said:
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That's an emotional reaction, not a pragmatic one. What will having DG and Mara grilled by the media do, other than make angry fans feel better momentarily?

I am not a fan of this regime at all, but the calls for some sort of public flogging are infantile.


Pragmatic? The NFL is a TV show. It's entertainment. We're not talking about some high level trade negotiations between the US and China where being measured with what you say publicly is critical.

It would be great sport to see this organization have to face the music. They deserve it in the media and in commerce - less fans going to games to park, buy concessions, merchandise, etc.
RE: RE: RE: They deserve to be grilled...  
Mike from Ohio : 12/2/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14699764 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14699741 Mike from Ohio said:


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That's an emotional reaction, not a pragmatic one. What will having DG and Mara grilled by the media do, other than make angry fans feel better momentarily?

I am not a fan of this regime at all, but the calls for some sort of public flogging are infantile.



Pragmatic? The NFL is a TV show. It's entertainment. We're not talking about some high level trade negotiations between the US and China where being measured with what you say publicly is critical.

It would be great sport to see this organization have to face the music. They deserve it in the media and in commerce - less fans going to games to park, buy concessions, merchandise, etc.


So you are asking a business owner and his management team to subject themselves to public ridicule for entertainment purposes?

Again, that is a silly, emotional ask no different than asking them to come to your house, stroke your hair, and tell you that it will all be ok. It serves no other purpose. That is what 'pragmatic' means.
'Why is Management in Hiding?'...  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 1:38 pm : link
The ownership and FO should publicly keep their mouths closed about the coaching staff/state of the season barring development of a high profile unexpected situation. Stick to normal business. The waiver wire, IR etc. When the season ends there will be plenty of time to deal with the media. Let everything play out.
RE: 'Why is Management in Hiding?'...  
mfsd : 12/2/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14699818 Torrag said:
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The ownership and FO should publicly keep their mouths closed about the coaching staff/state of the season barring development of a high profile unexpected situation. Stick to normal business. The waiver wire, IR etc. When the season ends there will be plenty of time to deal with the media. Let everything play out.


Exactly. Their actions will be what matter, not a bunch of empty words in a canned press conference
Francesa just said he tried to get Mara on today..  
Sean : 12/2/2019 4:00 pm : link
Not happening obviously.
Never ever knew, nor saw, growing up with being a giants fan  
micky : 12/2/2019 4:08 pm : link
To see the org, owner, gm cower and go into hiding and not face the music. A shameful, weak entity they have become.
RE: RE: RE: RE: They deserve to be grilled...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14699803 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14699764 bw in dc said:


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In comment 14699741 Mike from Ohio said:


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That's an emotional reaction, not a pragmatic one. What will having DG and Mara grilled by the media do, other than make angry fans feel better momentarily?

I am not a fan of this regime at all, but the calls for some sort of public flogging are infantile.



Pragmatic? The NFL is a TV show. It's entertainment. We're not talking about some high level trade negotiations between the US and China where being measured with what you say publicly is critical.

It would be great sport to see this organization have to face the music. They deserve it in the media and in commerce - less fans going to games to park, buy concessions, merchandise, etc.



So you are asking a business owner and his management team to subject themselves to public ridicule for entertainment purposes?

Again, that is a silly, emotional ask no different than asking them to come to your house, stroke your hair, and tell you that it will all be ok. It serves no other purpose. That is what 'pragmatic' means.


Nice gig, being management. No accountability for anything, as it should be-according to some.

No one is asking for them to allow themselves to be tar and feathered. It is not some big ask to subject management to the same media availability. Pat Shurmur, idiot that he is, still has the responsibility to face the music every week while John Mara allows his broadcast team to skewer the head coach as he hides in his suite.
What are they going to tell you - the team sucks  
jcn56 : 12/2/2019 5:28 pm : link
You know that already.

That they know how to fix it? They don't - you know that already too.

That they're going to do everything in their power to correct it? They might - but they're basically toothless on that front, as evidenced by the last two seasons.

They're a laughing stock, there's no reason to make a media blitz to remind everyone, the team already does a good enough job of that on the field.

RE: What are they going to tell you - the team sucks  
Photoguy : 12/2/2019 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14700258 jcn56 said:
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You know that already.

That they know how to fix it? They don't - you know that already too.

That they're going to do everything in their power to correct it? They might - but they're basically toothless on that front, as evidenced by the last two seasons.

They're a laughing stock, there's no reason to make a media blitz to remind everyone, the team already does a good enough job of that on the field.




I hope Mara paid for that chair.
RE: What are they going to tell you - the team sucks  
bw in dc : 12/2/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14700258 jcn56 said:
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You know that already.

That they know how to fix it? They don't - you know that already too.

That they're going to do everything in their power to correct it? They might - but they're basically toothless on that front, as evidenced by the last two seasons.

They're a laughing stock, there's no reason to make a media blitz to remind everyone, the team already does a good enough job of that on the field.



It's easy to roll Shurmur out there weekly to be the pinata for the horrible decisions taken by management and ownership.

The same decision makers who hired said pinata.

So let's hear what they have to say.
RE: RE: What are they going to tell you - the team sucks  
jcn56 : 12/2/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14700421 Photoguy said:
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I hope Mara paid for that chair.


You know he didn't break it himself.

"Smithers! Come here and break this chair for me you jackanape!"
Mara did talk to the media in-season at the October owners' meeting  
shyster : 12/2/2019 8:03 pm : link
in both 2017 and 2018.

Giants were 1-5 on both occasions and Mara's comments were similar.

In Oct 2017, he was "very disappointed". In Oct 2018, he said he was "sick" and "embarrassed".

Also, in mid-November of 2017, three weeks before the Eli benching, Mara and Tisch issued a public statement saying that, while they were disappointed in the season to that point, McAdoo would remain coach at least until season's end.

Mara did not make himself available for comment at this year's October owners' meeting. The next one is coming up Dec. 10-11 in Dallas.

Link is to Schwartz NYP story from 2017 October owners' meeting.


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Here's Reality  
Percy : 12/2/2019 9:40 pm : link
There is no "team." No player continuity. No regs. The kids are put in with has-beens and wannabes. Add no coaching, no leadership and you get what we have: no team.
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