He's not the kind of RB who sets the tempo of a game. He doesn't square his shoulders, run downhill, and run thru defenders. He doesn't keep the chains moving. He is hesitant, lacks vision, is afraid of contact, is flat out below average running between the Tackles, and is a poor blocker.
I see Saquon as just a more talented James White: A pass-catching back who will occasionally break off a couple big runs.
Eli Manning.
Eli was an absolute master at checking his RB into optimal plays, in subtle ways that went unnoticed by the casual fan.
Saquon is no longer benefitting from Eli's audibles at the LOS. Jones is an enormous downgrade from Eli in that aspect.
Well my fears were well founded. He is a break or bust RB. He drops balls and misses blocks. DJ has to run now in short yardage situations. He is a great talent but until he learns to run hard he was a terrible pick at two overall.
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He’s not having a stellar year this year; however, he was injured early and has not performed like he did last year. His injury is nagging. Another thing that I have noticed is that when he gets the ball, the D line meets him two or 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. How the hell are you supposed to be effective when you don’t have any blocking. I could honestly say that the blocking was better last year than this year. How do you account for all the Daniel Jones fumbles? Quite the coincidence, isn’t it? I think you need to scout much better.
Eli Manning.
Eli was an absolute master at checking his RB into optimal plays, in subtle ways that went unnoticed by the casual fan.
Saquon is no longer benefitting from Eli's audibles at the LOS. Jones is an enormous downgrade from Eli in that aspect.
I don't care what anyone else says, I'm glad you're here on BBI. How else would a casual fan like myself find out that Barkley's excellence last year was due to Eli?
SB is still a GREAT back. he will be fine. he was hampered by an ankle injury and the OL has played like shit....the guy is still insanely talented
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I am so sick of the shotgun inside handoff, it is infuriating. He gets hit by three guys, three yards behind the line all the time. I never see a hole for him to hit. The coaches need to do something, anything different. Maybe a sweep of some counters. I don't know, I am SW Application Engineer, not a football mind. But running the same running play everytime, seems not to work. The Oline can't block anything, draw, sweep, screen doesn't matter. Barkley should have been pulled for the year.
Having said that, he isn't wrong about Eli. That's a difficult thing for us to quantify not know what plays are being called and how the process for changes at the line is allowed by Jones.
You came back out of the wood works after Darnold had three good games and were pounding your chest. I suspect we will see a pattern with you. He played great against the hapless bengals yesterday
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he's overrated or not b/c as I've said and gotten killed for hundreds of times on this site, IT'S A MEANINGLESS POSITION IN TODAY'S NFL. The mistake wasn't that we drafted Saquon at #2 overall. I still think he's going to be a great player. The mistake was drafting a RB at all in that position. That move, in and by itself, substantially set this franchise back.
You came back out of the wood works after Darnold had three good games and were pounding your chest. I suspect we will see a pattern with you. He played great against the hapless bengals yesterday
Nope, I never left. Do you think Daniel Jones is a much better player than Sam Darnold? I still don't. And even though I liked Darnold in that draft, that's not even the point. The point is you don't take a RB at #2 overall under any circumstance...not only if you plan on drafting a QB.
But, he can play, I would like to see some more physicality, he is a big guy and he seems to like dancing around too much.
He did have a high ankle sprain, not making excuses,but that is a bitch of an injury.
I think Barkley will be an asset going forward, he still may light it up this season. The team should get a sledgehammer RB to go along with Barkley.
Even worse was the GM making remarks about how he didn't consider a trade down. He follows that up by mocking analytics, signing Solder to a record deal, and then trading two draft picks for a rental.
We can't change the past, and have to hope that Barkley and Jones can be core parts of the next winning Giants team, but I've had enough of the DG blunders.
Let's bring in a new GM and coach to lead this franchise into the next decade.
^^^^^^^^ Best new poster handle in a while.
Having said that, he isn't wrong about Eli. That's a difficult thing for us to quantify not know what plays are being called and how the process for changes at the line is allowed by Jones.
I'm surprised people are taking this as a joke. It's a HUGE reason why Barkley sucks at pass coverage and can't find holes. It's also caused the OL to play worse, because Eli was constantly changing plays at the line of scrimmage and he's a better offensive play caller than Shurmur is. Barkley's having to learn how to play the position in the NFL without relying on the QB as an on field coach.
McCaffrey
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
The giants won two super bowls with no name RBs, and people want to pledge allegiance to gettleman for spending the #2 pick on a RB.
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But this line is really bad. How many times does Saquon find a defender standing in the backfield as soon as the handoff is made. Unless you've played the position you have no idea how destructive that can be to a back, even if you break that tackle.
Having said that, he isn't wrong about Eli. That's a difficult thing for us to quantify not know what plays are being called and how the process for changes at the line is allowed by Jones.
I'm surprised people are taking this as a joke. It's a HUGE reason why Barkley sucks at pass coverage and can't find holes. It's also caused the OL to play worse, because Eli was constantly changing plays at the line of scrimmage and he's a better offensive play caller than Shurmur is. Barkley's having to learn how to play the position in the NFL without relying on the QB as an on field coach.
Honestly, I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about this. It’s all my family mentions whenever they see Barkley struggle these days. Jones might get there one day, but everything Eli did with his mind helped his team even if the execution was inconsistent. Eli absolutely helped/coached Saquon from a mental aspect. Saquon always talked about it in the post games last season. Sad, but at least Shurmur has nowhere to hide anymore.
McCaffrey
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
The giants won two super bowls with no name RBs, and people want to pledge allegiance to gettleman for spending the #2 pick on a RB.
And yet, as you say that, the 4 rushing leaders were all picked in the first 2 rounds.
McCaffrey
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
The giants won two super bowls with no name RBs, and people want to pledge allegiance to gettleman for spending the #2 pick on a RB.
Picked #35, #8, #45 and #24..Zeke was taken #4. Gurley was #10. Michel was #31. Mark Ingram was #28 and the Ravens are built solely on the running game. Barkley was considered the best prospect to come out of college since Peyton Manning, he was the BPA in that draft. If the Giants as a team weren't a dumpster fire no one would be latching on to this. They'd still fucking suck if they took a different player than Barkley as well. It's a fucking team sport.
The narrative that running backs are useless or not valued in today's NFL is bullshit. And the other narrative is that you can find just as good or better ones in later rounds of the draft, yet, you can do the research and find good players of any position in every round of the draft, the probability of them being good drastically drops the further you go each round, surprising, isn't it?
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Nick Chubb
McCaffrey
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
The giants won two super bowls with no name RBs, and people want to pledge allegiance to gettleman for spending the #2 pick on a RB.
And yet, as you say that, the 4 rushing leaders were all picked in the first 2 rounds.
Forget it. He’s on a roll.
lol
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Nick Chubb
McCaffrey
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
The giants won two super bowls with no name RBs, and people want to pledge allegiance to gettleman for spending the #2 pick on a RB.
And yet, as you say that, the 4 rushing leaders were all picked in the first 2 rounds.
Forget it. He’s on a roll.
The conversation naturally changes quite a bit if the giants take a RB in the second round and fix a different position at #2 overall. Isnt that the entire point?
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Nick Chubb
McCaffrey
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
The giants won two super bowls with no name RBs, and people want to pledge allegiance to gettleman for spending the #2 pick on a RB.
Picked #35, #8, #45 and #24..Zeke was taken #4. Gurley was #10. Michel was #31. Mark Ingram was #28 and the Ravens are built solely on the running game. Barkley was considered the best prospect to come out of college since Peyton Manning, he was the BPA in that draft. If the Giants as a team weren't a dumpster fire no one would be latching on to this. They'd still fucking suck if they took a different player than Barkley as well. It's a fucking team sport.
The narrative that running backs are useless or not valued in today's NFL is bullshit. And the other narrative is that you can find just as good or better ones in later rounds of the draft, yet, you can do the research and find good players of any position in every round of the draft, the probability of them being good drastically drops the further you go each round, surprising, isn't it?
umm no.. Barkley was not the best player since Manning, that is just hype you read here. As it turns out Lamar and Mahomes might be, but we failed to get both those guys when they were within our grasp..
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He’s not having a stellar year this year; however, he was injured early and has not performed like he did last year. His injury is nagging. Another thing that I have noticed is that when he gets the ball, the D line meets him two or 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. How the hell are you supposed to be effective when you don’t have any blocking. I could honestly say that the blocking was better last year than this year. How do you account for all the Daniel Jones fumbles? Quite the coincidence, isn’t it? I think you need to scout much better.
Eli Manning.
Eli was an absolute master at checking his RB into optimal plays, in subtle ways that went unnoticed by the casual fan.
Saquon is no longer benefitting from Eli's audibles at the LOS. Jones is an enormous downgrade from Eli in that aspect.
I don't care what anyone else says, I'm glad you're here on BBI. How else would a casual fan like myself find out that Barkley's excellence last year was due to Eli?
Keep scrolling down from your post and you'll see that many Giants fans agree with me on the Eli point.
Because it is true.
Best troll ever.
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But this line is really bad. How many times does Saquon find a defender standing in the backfield as soon as the handoff is made. Unless you've played the position you have no idea how destructive that can be to a back, even if you break that tackle.
Having said that, he isn't wrong about Eli. That's a difficult thing for us to quantify not know what plays are being called and how the process for changes at the line is allowed by Jones.
I'm surprised people are taking this as a joke. It's a HUGE reason why Barkley sucks at pass coverage and can't find holes. It's also caused the OL to play worse, because Eli was constantly changing plays at the line of scrimmage and he's a better offensive play caller than Shurmur is. Barkley's having to learn how to play the position in the NFL without relying on the QB as an on field coach.
Honestly, I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about this. It’s all my family mentions whenever they see Barkley struggle these days. Jones might get there one day, but everything Eli did with his mind helped his team even if the execution was inconsistent. Eli absolutely helped/coached Saquon from a mental aspect. Saquon always talked about it in the post games last season. Sad, but at least Shurmur has nowhere to hide anymore.
Absolutely. 1000%.
The fact that there are fans on here who actually disagree with the notion of Saquon benefitting from Eli's audibles and being an "on field coach"...is shocking.
Perfect analogy.
Adam Dunn of the NFL
I know that many here don't believe in statistical analysis, but the analysis shows that there is no correlation between winning and rushing yards, and winning and yards per rush. However, if we create an running efficiency metric that varies based on down and distance (usually at least 40% of necessary yards on 1st down, 50% on 2nd, and making a 1st on 3rd down), then we do find a correlation between rushing effieciency and winning.
Barkley is one of the least efficient runners in the NFL PERIOD. His running around in the backfield is hurting the Giants offense... Badly.
This is not saying that SB lacks of talent, but he has to learn to make better use of it. His failures have everything to do with his running style. SB wants to hit the homerun every time he gets the ball. He tries to do too much, rather than take what he can get and move on to the next play.
This has been a knock on him as a pro, and all throughout his college years.
Last year he was 41st out of 47 RB in rushing efficiency. This year he is 33rd (dead last out of qualifying candidates) in terms of rushing efficiency.
Of course the OL shared the responsibility of this poor performance. But if the RB is so dependent on the OL to look good. Then doesn't that belie the logic of spending so much resources on a RB rather than the OL...
Rushing Success 2018
Rk Player Suc
Rate
1 G.Edwards 63%
2 A.Kamara 58%
3 M.Ingram 57%
4 T.Gurley 57%
5 K.Hunt 55%
6 A.Jones 55%
7 C.McCaffrey 55%
8 M.Mack 54%
9 D.Martin 53%
10 S.Michel 53%
11 K.Johnson 53%
12 M.Gordon 53%
13 A.Ekeler 52%
14 M.Davis 52%
15 C.Carson 51%
16 D.Henry 51%
17 J.Howard 50%
18 J.Adams 50%
19 N.Chubb 50%
20 F.Gore 50%
21 E.Elliott 50%
22 J.Conner 49%
23 J.Mixon 49%
24 P.Lindsay 49%
25 T.J.Yeldon 48%
26 L.Fournette 47%
27 A.Collins 47%
28 A.Peterson 47%
29 R.Freeman 46%
30 L.Murray 46%
31 M.Breida 46%
32 J.Williams 45%
33 K.Drake 45%
34 P.Barber 44%
35 C.Ivory 44%
36 L.Miller 44%
27 T.Coleman 43%
38 A.Morris 41%
39 A.Blue 41%
40 D.Cook 41%
41 S.Barkley 41%
42 C.Hyde 39%
43 Da.Johnson 38%
44 L.Blount 37%
45 L.McCoy 37%
46 I.Crowell 36%
47 D.Lewis 34%
Rushing Success 2019
1 L.Murray 61%
2 M.Ingram 60%
3 A.Jones 59%
4 C.Carson 56%
5 C.Hyde 55%
6 A.Kamara 54%
7 E.Elliott 54%
8 M.Mack 53%
9 J.Howard 53%
10 P.Lindsay 51%
11 J.Jacobs 51%
12 T.Gurley 50%
13 D.Cook 50%
14 D.Henry 49%
15 M.Gordon 48%
16 F.Gore 47%
17 R.Jones 47%
18 C.McCaffrey 47%
19 M.Sanders 46%
20 A.Peterson 46%
21 S.Michel 46%
22 L.Bell 45%
23 J.Conner 45%
24 J.Mixon 45%
24 R.Freeman 45%
26 N.Chubb 45%
27 D.Montgomery 44%
28 P.Barber 44%
29 M.Breida 44%
30 D.Freeman 42%
31 L.Fournette 41%
32 T.Coleman 40%
33 S.Barkley 38%
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb/2019
2018
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb/2018