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How is it that some on BBI want a new qb drafted

Junior22 : 12/2/2019 3:36 pm
but claim Haskins numbers jaded because he had superior talent but Joe Burrow is a stud after 1 great year with superior talent.

No thanx to Burrow, Tua, Fromm or any other qb

Jones is the face of this team for the next 15 years

Time to start using the draft capital to build around him
WTF  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/2/2019 3:37 pm : link
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i don't think anybody  
Josh in the City : 12/2/2019 3:38 pm : link
wants to get rid of jones. If you're referring to the other thread about letting a new regime pick their QB that's a different story and your narrative doesn't accurately reflect the full context of that conversation.
RE: i don't think anybody  
Junior22 : 12/2/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14700031 Josh in the City said:
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wants to get rid of jones. If you're referring to the other thread about letting a new regime pick their QB that's a different story and your narrative doesn't accurately reflect the full context of that conversation.


You think MacDoo/Reese and Shumur/DG were allowed to draft a qb their first year?

So now we give that right to the new regime?
I didn't think the first post could be topped.  
Mad Mike : 12/2/2019 3:41 pm : link
I was wrong.
RE: RE: i don't think anybody  
Diver_Down : 12/2/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14700035 Junior22 said:
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In comment 14700031 Josh in the City said:


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wants to get rid of jones. If you're referring to the other thread about letting a new regime pick their QB that's a different story and your narrative doesn't accurately reflect the full context of that conversation.



You think MacDoo/Reese and Shumur/DG were allowed to draft a qb their first year?

So now we give that right to the new regime?


This is hard for you to comprehend, but Benny and Pat had a proven QB that is responsible for half the hardware in the trophy case in the Super Bowl era. DJ is setting his own records for a rookie and he shows promise. But there is a difference in having an entrenched 2x SB MVP on the roster for a new coach and an unproven rookie.

A new regime/staff should be given the choice whether to work with DJ or go in a different direction. Hiring a new staff with the conditions attached reeks of the dysfunction that so many want to rail about.

We stink. We aren't good enough to have sacred cows. They all can go to slaughter including DJ, Barkley, and the rest of the 51 players. We are capable of losing in historic fashion with them. We are certainly capable of losing without them.
RE: RE: i don't think anybody  
Josh in the City : 12/2/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14700035 Junior22 said:
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In comment 14700031 Josh in the City said:


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wants to get rid of jones. If you're referring to the other thread about letting a new regime pick their QB that's a different story and your narrative doesn't accurately reflect the full context of that conversation.



You think MacDoo/Reese and Shumur/DG were allowed to draft a qb their first year?

So now we give that right to the new regime?

So the Giants made a bad decision in the past so they should exacerbate it by making the same mistakes in the future? Sounds like a foolish way to run a franchise!
On by multiple accounts,  
Josh in the City : 12/2/2019 3:50 pm : link
if McAdoo was allowed to pick his QB, he would have done everything in his power to end up with Patrick Mahomes.
RE: RE: RE: i don't think anybody  
Diver_Down : 12/2/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14700044 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14700035 Junior22 said:


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In comment 14700031 Josh in the City said:


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wants to get rid of jones. If you're referring to the other thread about letting a new regime pick their QB that's a different story and your narrative doesn't accurately reflect the full context of that conversation.



You think MacDoo/Reese and Shumur/DG were allowed to draft a qb their first year?

So now we give that right to the new regime?



This is hard for you to comprehend, but Benny and Pat had a proven QB that is responsible for half the hardware in the trophy case in the Super Bowl era. DJ is setting his own records for a rookie and he shows promise. But there is a difference in having an entrenched 2x SB MVP on the roster for a new coach and an unproven rookie.

A new regime/staff should be given the choice whether to work with DJ or go in a different direction. Hiring a new staff with the conditions attached reeks of the dysfunction that so many want to rail about.

We stink. We aren't good enough to have sacred cows. They all can go to slaughter including DJ, Barkley, and the rest of the 51 players. We are capable of losing in historic fashion with them. We are certainly capable of losing without them.


To add, we are entering historic territory with the losing. We currently are sitting at #2 - a feat prior to Barkley was LT in '81. We may end up with the #1 pick if the Red Rifle can muster another win while we lose out. The last #1 pick for the Giants was in 1965.

If we remain at the top of the draft, the pre-draft process should evaluate all positions and that includes QB.
We could pull a SD Chargers and draft the top QB  
edavisiii : 12/2/2019 4:10 pm : link
and say, "OK what do you want to give up". If we got a team such as Cin of Miami to swap (if we get the #1) we could get and extra #2 pick at the top of the round. As long as we don't loose Chase Young!
I Don't Think Anyone Suggested  
lax counsel : 12/2/2019 4:40 pm : link
That the Giants draft another qb. What was suggested is a new regime should be given entitlement to evaluate every position and determine whether you have a player that makes the team a perennial contender. That starts with the qb position.

Jones has show great promise but also warts. Hopefully the warts are curable and he continues to build on his ability. But if a competent NFL GM takes over, he should be able to determine that for himself without a mandate that organization build around DJ. To the extent a new GM decides DJ is the guy, great that's another vote of confidence.
A lot of people suggested  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/2/2019 5:19 pm : link
Trading Jones and drafting another QB.
Won't happen  
Marty866b : 12/2/2019 11:42 pm : link
But with a new coach he might prefer a different quarterback like the Cards did recently.
RE: We could pull a SD Chargers and draft the top QB  
.McL. : 12/2/2019 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14700086 edavisiii said:
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and say, "OK what do you want to give up". If we got a team such as Cin of Miami to swap (if we get the #1) we could get and extra #2 pick at the top of the round. As long as we don't loose Chase Young!

I don't think the league allows this anymore. You can't trade a drafted player for some period of time.
RE: A lot of people suggested  
.McL. : 12/2/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14700239 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Trading Jones and drafting another QB.

I saw some "What If" kind of posts, like What if they decide not roll with DJ, then what can be gotten for him in a trade. But I don't think the folks doing that analysis were suggesting that as the best course. Of course I might be wrong about that, but that was my interpretation.
Terps said he doesn't think Jones is the One  
adamg : 12/3/2019 12:17 am : link
Or may not be
RE: Terps said he doesn't think Jones is the One  
.McL. : 12/3/2019 12:26 am : link
In comment 14700733 adamg said:
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Or may not be

I will let Terps speak for himself.

But my interpretation of what he said was that he is not sold on Jones one way or the other. At the moment, he may be down on him more than most here, but I didn't get the impression that he was calling Jones a failure and time to move on....
This is one of the reasons, I believe DG will remain....  
George from PA : 12/3/2019 5:59 am : link
As a Jones advacate.....not saying that IS the reason DG stays....but removing everyone with vested interest in Jones would be a disservice to Jones.

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