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CMicks3110 : 12/2/2019 3:51 pm
Moustakas to Reds
Profar to Pads
Mets talking Hader
Drew Pomeranz to Pads
Reds non-tender Peraza
Yanks interested in Treinan
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RE: Pillar makes some sense for the Mets  
Metnut : 12/3/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14701251 Section331 said:
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as a defensive CF replacement. He's not terrible v LHP, and can spell Nimmo v tough lefties.


He has a reputation as a defender, but his defense has been in steady decline the past few years and he's always been a poor hitter. Maybe he could be fine to bring in to spring training on a non-guaranteed deal in case a bunch of guys get hurt, but if he's expected to play a big part in 2020, then our offseason didn't go well.
Pillar  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2019 2:30 pm : link
sucks. -7 DRS the past 2 seasons. They should be looking at guys like Margot.
May not be popular but  
pjcas18 : 12/3/2019 2:35 pm : link
I'd rather trade Davis than Smith - for the sole reason Davis will be more attractive, especially to AL teams.

So, if I'm trading one of them, I'd rather trade for JBJ and Barnes than Cain and Davis has more appeal to an AL team.

I don't even think the Mets need to add to that trade.

but in true Mets fashion they would probably try and add Familia to lose the salary and for the privilege of trading Familia's salary it would cost them Gimenez (or some bullshit like that) - turning a salary dump by the Red Sox into one also for the Mets, but allowing the Sox to pick the Mets pocket.

anyway point is I see Davis as more valuable a trade chip than Smith.

And I see an AL team the best destination for Davis b/c he can DH and be a utility guy elsewhere.
Diekman  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2019 2:37 pm : link
to oakland, 2 years. BP options... yikes.
Smith  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2019 2:39 pm : link
vs. Davis... I could see it either way. Smith has the pedigree, Davis potentially more versatile but Davis BABIP isn't almost certainly isn't sustainable.
RE: Pillar  
Dunedin81 : 12/3/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14701345 DanMetroMan said:
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sucks. -7 DRS the past 2 seasons. They should be looking at guys like Margot.


Ellsbury is available. Just saying.
RE: Smith  
pjcas18 : 12/3/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14701368 DanMetroMan said:
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vs. Davis... I could see it either way. Smith has the pedigree, Davis potentially more versatile but Davis BABIP isn't almost certainly isn't sustainable.


Agree. I just think Davis' power is attractive than Smith's pedigree. I think the Mets gave up on Smith way too early in 2018 and in 2019 Alonso Wally Pipp'd him before Smith could even become Wally Pipp. I wish there was some way the Mets could play both Alonso and Smith, but they can't. Nonetheless I'd still try and keep Smith over Davis - for the reasons I mentioned above.

Davis' power could be attractive to a number of teams, especially somewhere like Fenway. I can see him as a 40 HR guy there.

And in the AL they don't have to find a position for him. And if they get a taker for JDM - JDD slides right into the DH spot.
.  
pjcas18 : 12/3/2019 2:58 pm : link
Bleacher Report MLB
@BR_MLB
·
1h
Yankees will meet with Gerrit Cole today and are “all in” on the star pitcher, per @JonHeyman


He finished last season 20-5 with a 2.50 ERA
I'd go Cain >>> JBJ if we can dump Lowrie  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2019 3:03 pm : link
that's a net increase of just $4.5m this year and last year and the year before Cain was the top CF in baseball defensively (+40 DRS from 2018-2019). Whereas JBJ has declined defensively.

Yes we have to take on years 2 & 3, but Cain is just flat out the better player. He'd be the near perfect fit for the team playing CF most of the time but kept fresh by Nimmo being able to take days here and there. Nimmo and JDFD could compete for time in LF.

Cain would also create another tablesetter option in the lineup ahead of Alsonso/Conforto.
I think Cain  
pjcas18 : 12/3/2019 3:28 pm : link
vs JBJ is splitting hairs a little. I'd take either. Both plus defenders who have zero issue being full time CFers.

I mean, JBJ pushed Betts off CF.

JBJ is I believe in his final arbitration year, so you have this year on arb, and then he's a FA - and for a team like the Mets that's unfortunately important.

I just think he'd cost less with the Red Sox allegedly aggressively trying to get under luxury tax threshold.

In a big deal I'd pursue Betts. In a smaller deal, JBJ and Barnes.

Pillar  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2019 3:34 pm : link
is textbook Mets. Declining at the one thing he did well, poor bat, aging, zero upside.
JBJ vs. Cain  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2019 4:03 pm : link
2019 DRS
JBJ -1
Cain +20

2018 DRS
JBJ -2
Cain +20 (won NL GG)

2019 OPS
JBJ .738 (90 RC)
Cain .697 (83 RC)

2018 OPS
JBJ .717 (90 RC)
Cain .813 (124 RC - was worth 5.7 fwar)

For their careers JBJ is a 91 RC, Cain is 106. If you are exchanging Lowrie you are getting the cheaper player this year by half while money is tight with Cespedes still on the books, the better defender by far according to the metrics, and the more polished hitter with more upside. Downside is taking on 2 extra future years for an older player. I would ideally hope to get MIL to kick in $2-3m per year of those 2 future years to mitigate the risk of more dead money.
I'm still not comfortable  
pjcas18 : 12/3/2019 4:12 pm : link
making decisions solely based on defensive metrics.

Look how some players fluctuate so much from year to year.

I watch enough Red Sox games that I'd be comfortable with JBJ in CF every game.

Cain too.

But all things considered I think JBJ is a better Mets fit.

Only advantage I'd give Cain is being a righty bat.

but the age, money, power, IOW - tangible things - lean JBJ.
40 players non-tendered  
jpkmets : 12/3/2019 4:16 pm : link
more than double two years ago. Hate to say it but there is going to likely be a work stoppage in 2021 since the probably won't negotiate until it's too late and there are a lot of things that need fixing from the MLBPA.
RE: I'm still not comfortable  
Eric on Li : 12/3/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14701594 pjcas18 said:
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making decisions solely based on defensive metrics.

Look how some players fluctuate so much from year to year.

I watch enough Red Sox games that I'd be comfortable with JBJ in CF every game.

Cain too.

But all things considered I think JBJ is a better Mets fit.

Only advantage I'd give Cain is being a righty bat.

but the age, money, power, IOW - tangible things - lean JBJ.


If the defense is = or close I'd go JBJ too. I can't say yes or no on that because I haven't watched either enough so I am heavily weighting defensive metrics which I agree are very fallible. If JBJ's defense isn't an upgrade on Nimmo he has limited appeal to me, because he's definitely not an offensive upgrade.
.  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 9:51 am : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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6m
Zack Wheeler is expected to sign soon "maybe even today" according to @Ken_Rosenthal
.

He says the Phillies, Reds, and White Sox are the three most serious teams.
Would stink if he goes  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 9:52 am : link
to the Phillies. Can't believe the Mets aren't even involved in the bidding. We have zero rotation depth in the organization. A Degrom or Thor 30-45 day DL stint and our season will be toast.

Teams like the Yankees (Sevorino) and Dodgers (Kershaw) are still able to compete when their best pitcher goes down for a period of time. Why the hell can't the Mets try and build up that kind of depth?
Typical  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2019 9:55 am : link
Mets
RE: .  
TyreeHelmet : 12/4/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14702389 pjcas18 said:
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Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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6m
Zack Wheeler is expected to sign soon "maybe even today" according to @Ken_Rosenthal
.

He says the Phillies, Reds, and White Sox are the three most serious teams.


This really pisses me off. It’s one thing to not go after the top free agents. It’s another thing to let your own players walk to your competitors simply over money.

Its a huge indictment on the Mets that other teams think Wheeler is untapped potential. And for the fans who will say he’s getting overpaid- the Mets could afford and they won’t use that money elsewhere. Enjoy watching some scrub pitch every 5th day because they have zero pitching depth.
happy for wheeler  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2019 9:57 am : link
sad for us that they didn't resign him over the past couple years as he's been saying he wanted to stay and was willing to negotiate. Still so infuriating to have given up 2 good prospects, 1 already at the MLB level, to pay an inferior player $12m this year (Stroman) and then go through the same song and dance again over the next 12 months.

Are we supposed to root for him to pitch so well we similarly can't afford resigning him next year either or to suck so we can?
It's not too long  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 10:00 am : link
before Thor is a free agent too. A smart team might try to work out an extension before (or if) he breaks out. Instead, the Mets will likely wait until the last minute.

Given the long-term outlook with starting pitching, and DeGrom's age, you have to think that this is a true "win-now" situation. If that's the case, then why the hell aren't they in on Wheeler? I'm not even asking them to sign Cole or Strasburg, but competing with teams like the White Sox and Reds for Wheeler doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Price  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2019 10:05 am : link
on Hader said to be "massive". So the Mets will do this right? lol
RE: Price  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14702428 DanMetroMan said:
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on Hader said to be "massive". So the Mets will do this right? lol


Done deal. Hader and Braun for Matt Allan, Mauricio, Diaz (who rebounds to 2018), JD Davis and Gimenez. Plus the Mets will offer McNeil but the Brewers will feel bad, because of their Midwestern manners and decline taking McNeil too.

RE: Price  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14702428 DanMetroMan said:
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on Hader said to be "massive". So the Mets will do this right? lol


Would Brodie do Conforto for Hader? Would the Brewers do that?
RE: RE: Price  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14702446 Metnut said:
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In comment 14702428 DanMetroMan said:


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on Hader said to be "massive". So the Mets will do this right? lol



Would Brodie do Conforto for Hader? Would the Brewers do that?


The Brewers are trying to cut salary and rebuild their farm on the fly. Conforto is projected to make roughly double Hader so I'd be stunned. I wouldn't do that if I were the Mets either.
RE: RE: RE: Price  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14702461 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14702446 Metnut said:


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In comment 14702428 DanMetroMan said:


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on Hader said to be "massive". So the Mets will do this right? lol



Would Brodie do Conforto for Hader? Would the Brewers do that?



The Brewers are trying to cut salary and rebuild their farm on the fly. Conforto is projected to make roughly double Hader so I'd be stunned. I wouldn't do that if I were the Mets either.


I'm not thrilled with it either, but we have a complete glut of corner OFs, especially if Cespedes is going to play next year. We might as well try to deal one of them and Conforto seems like he'd have good trade value.

What type of starting pitcher could we get for him?
the mets themselves have said they don't expect Ces next year  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2019 11:41 am : link
they are usually overly optimistic about things like that so either they are doing the opposite of what they normally do or there's a very small chance he has any impact.
Cole Hamels to the Braves  
Matt in SGS : 12/4/2019 12:45 pm : link
1 year/ $18M. Yankees were supposedly considering him. Not bad when you can get a veteran starter on a 1 year deal.
Love  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2019 12:57 pm : link
that move for ATL.
Mets  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 1:15 pm : link
can't keep building a team to contend for the wild card.

either blow it up and go for it.

and go for it doesn't mean trade the farm for a closer.

it means open the checkbook, exceed the luxury tax (for a year) and field a team that can compete for the division.

right now they're at least behind the Braves and Phillies (with Wheeler on the Phillies).

And who knows how they will stack up against the defending WS champ Nationals.

They're likely projected 4th in the division.
this  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 1:15 pm : link
either blow it up and go for it.

should be

either blow it up or go for it.
I really think they missed  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 1:17 pm : link
an opportunity by passing on Bloom and hiring BVW. BVW basically capped out the team in one year and traded most of the best prospects away.

If we had a playoff team, I'd be OK with it, but it doesn't look like they are more than wild card contenders since they have no capacity to upgrade the team this offseason other than shifting deck chairs around.
just sucks we could have kept Kelenic and Dunn last year  
Rory : 12/4/2019 1:20 pm : link
and had the money to resign Wheeler this year (no Cano).

Kept Mcneil at his natural position

Still sign Familia/Ramos/Lowrie

And still be able to sign a Daniel Hudson/Betances or Moose
100% agree PJ problem is they made the decision last year signing JDG  
Eric on Li : 12/4/2019 1:22 pm : link
and purging half the farm so the only logical option now is to spend. And now they aren't going to. Rinse and repeat the life of a Met fan. We can probably write BVW's opening ST press conference:

"we are excited to see what Robbie and Marcus can do over a full season"

"we expect Edwin and Jeurys to be the players they've been their whole careers"

"Carlos is going to bring a fresh dynamic to giving our guys the edge they need"

"we look at Lowrie like a FA pickup since he didn't play last year, let's not forget he was an all star in 2018"
Mets  
TyreeHelmet : 12/4/2019 1:39 pm : link
It really is embarrassing that they will be 4th in their own division in spending/ aggressiveness. If they won’t even entertain resigning their own homegrown pitcher like Wheeler, what will they do? This will be repeated next year with Stroman and Noah the following year.

The only bad contract on the books is Cano ( and it’s bad) but that shouldn’t preclude them from spending. It’s shameful how they operate this team.
Mets being linked to  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 1:44 pm : link
Porcello.

I don't hate it, though they're being crucified on social media for potentially replacing Wheeler with Porcello.

Reality is though they replaced Wheeler with Stroman and would be adding Porcello.

If they sign Porcello - which is just rumored from what I know, the starting 5 of JDG, Syndergaard, Stro, Matz, Porcello would not be awful.

but it does not address the flaws of bullpen, defense, and depth - the gap from majors to next in line is wide with the Mets.
RE: Cole Hamels to the Braves  
Jay on the Island : 12/4/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14702793 Matt in SGS said:
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1 year/ $18M. Yankees were supposedly considering him. Not bad when you can get a veteran starter on a 1 year deal.

Atlanta has been aggressive, They've added:
SP Cole Hamels - 1 year deal
C Travis d'Arnaud - 2 year deal
RP Will Smith - 3 year deal
plus they re-signed relievers Chris Martin (2 years) and Darren O'Day (1 day)
Perfect. Just perfect.  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 2:20 pm : link
Marc Carig
@MarcCarig
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1m
The Phillies have reached an agreement with Zack Wheeler, sources tell @TheAthletic
. The ex-Met stays in the NL East, and close to New Jersey, where Wheeler’s wife is from.
So funny  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 2:21 pm : link
one of the twitter guys tweeted out

the Mets trade Kelenic and Dunn to keep Diaz off the Phillies, but they won't sign Wheeler to keep him off the Phillies.
RE: Perfect. Just perfect.  
Jay on the Island : 12/4/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14702970 pjcas18 said:
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Marc Carig
@MarcCarig
·
1m
The Phillies have reached an agreement with Zack Wheeler, sources tell @TheAthletic
. The ex-Met stays in the NL East, and close to New Jersey, where Wheeler’s wife is from.

Shit
.  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 2:30 pm : link
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
· 8m
Right-hander Zack Wheeler and the Philadelphia Phillies are in agreement on a five-year deal worth more than $100 million, sources tell ESPN.
Ugh  
Chris684 : 12/4/2019 2:36 pm : link
I'm hating sports right now. I was hoping he'd go to Minnesota, Chicago or San Diego, somewhere away from us.

The NL East was one of the best divisions in baseball last year and is only getting tougher. Hopefully the Nats lose Stras and Rendon.
Apparently Wheeler circled back  
Metnut : 12/4/2019 2:39 pm : link
with the Mets today but Mets weren’t interested in making an offer.
RE: So funny  
TyreeHelmet : 12/4/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14702972 pjcas18 said:
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one of the twitter guys tweeted out

the Mets trade Kelenic and Dunn to keep Diaz off the Phillies, but they won't sign Wheeler to keep him off the Phillies.


I wonder why....

An ownership group that won't pay for free agents but will sacrifice farm talent any chance they can get. What an awful combo.
.  
Danny Kanell : 12/4/2019 2:45 pm : link
Wheeler got 5 for $118M. Oof
Cole  
mitch300 : 12/4/2019 3:03 pm : link
Is going to get a bundle.
fucking awful  
Rory : 12/4/2019 3:16 pm : link
I hated losing Wheeler but was ok with it if it meant he was going to Minn, CHW, or Texas....actually anybody but Yankees of Phillies.

One of my favorite Mets too, Fuck me
RE: .  
Mike in NY : 12/4/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14703006 Danny Kanell said:
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Wheeler got 5 for $118M. Oof


I am disappointed that Wheeler is going to Philly, but I do not believe that he is worth $118M over 5 years. If it was that yearly amount on a 2 or 3 year deal that is one thing, but years 4 and 5 at nearly $24M per year is a lot of money. Also worth noting that he can be prone to the long ball and Philly is definitely notorious for being hitter friendly.
.  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 4:10 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
#Angels have acquired RHP Dylan Bundy from the #Orioles, sources tell The Athletic. Triple A RHP Isaac Mattson in deal, heading to Baltimore.
4:03 PM · Dec 4, 2019·Tweetbot for iΟS
damn  
pjcas18 : 12/4/2019 4:27 pm : link
not much more prideful in free agency transactions to learn a player took less to come to your team.

And vice versa not much worse than learning you offered more and still the player chose elsewhere. At least you can't blame the GM.

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
#WhiteSox’s offer to Wheeler was for MORE than the $118M he will receive from the #Phillies, sources tell The Athletic. As @MarcCarig
said, Wheeler’s wife is from New Jersey, and that proximity was an important consideration in his decision.
2:51 PM · Dec 4, 2019·Tweetbot for iΟS
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