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Giants Needs on Defense

JoeyBigBlue : 12/2/2019 7:44 pm
1. A dominant Edge - Chase Young
2. Inside Linebackers... canít go in with a washed up Ogletree and special teamed David Mayo starting.
3. A rangy FS.
4. A decent nickel back.

Can this be had this offseason?

Who should we target in Free agency or the draft to fill these holes.

A decent coach...  
Torrag : 12/2/2019 7:54 pm : link
would help.

Edge and FS are the obvious top needs.

Personally I like the idea of a Connelly/Mayo tandem. You can't have stars at every position and the interior LB's in a 3-4 aren't critical positions imo. They'd need another player in the mix but we can cut ogletree and save some cap room.

We have plenty of young talented CB's we just need to deploy and coach them properly.
Honestly, it depends  
Anakim : 12/2/2019 7:56 pm : link
Who knows whether we'll be a 4-3 or a 3-4 next year
RE: A decent coach...  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/2/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14700482 Torrag said:
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would help.

Edge and FS are the obvious top needs.

Personally I like the idea of a Connelly/Mayo tandem. You can't have stars at every position and the interior LB's in a 3-4 aren't critical positions imo. They'd need another player in the mix but we can cut ogletree and save some cap room.

We have plenty of young talented CB's we just need to deploy and coach them properly.


I disagree completely with your assertion of ILB not being important. Dominant 3-4 defense have rangy inside linebackers that can tackle and cover. Think of the early 2010 Niners with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman.

We have to see what we have in Connelly. He flashed in his 2 starts, but itís still just 2 starts. Plus heís coming off a big injury. Mayo isnít a starter. PERIOD. The guy is a special team player at best.
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BleedBlue : 12/2/2019 8:01 pm : link
sure it can happen


connelly comes back and sign littleton or schobert. either would be awesome inside next to connelly, then draft chase young and resign williams and golden. thats a solid front 7 with three additions if you include connelly coming back
A game breaker at FS would be nice but I still want to see  
robbieballs2003 : 12/2/2019 8:14 pm : link
what we have in Love. It is blind faith but I really like his skillset and feel he can be a great player at FS.

ILB can be had in FA but I am not sure who. I really like Connelly.

Edge is much harder to come by but we should be in a great position to land one in the draft.

The real undervalued position is our slot DB. I hope everybody understands after seeing the players we have put out there over the last few years that this is as critical a position in today's NFL as any other position. Teams just put out a third corner there most of the time and that isn't the solution. A unique grading system has to be tailored specifically for that position and a premium needs to be placed on it. It is very difficult to come by because most teams take that approach where they put their 3rd corner out there and keep their fingers crossed it works. Imo, I put more emphasis on that position than outside corner. You can give outside corners help. It is tough to give a slot help. How do you do so? Do you play a guy over the top? Well, as an OC I am running drags across the field. Do you inside/outside the guy? Well, as an OC I am stretching you deep. I would also matchup smaller/quicker guys and then bigger/taller guys to see if you can hang. It is vital to any quality defense imo.
FS and Nickle may  
Beer Man : 12/2/2019 8:14 pm : link
already be on the team. We have a coral of young talented DBs, and it will be interesting to see if they can elevate their game to the pro level.
agree with robbie  
mpinmaine : 12/2/2019 8:19 pm : link
especially re; slot corner
Edge, Edge, LB, LB, FS, CB  
TD : 12/2/2019 8:23 pm : link
In that order.
A mobile inside linebacker who's a good tackler is a big priority for  
Ira : 12/2/2019 8:41 pm : link
me. We're giving up too many completions in the middle of the field.
Many needs on Defense and Oline  
Jimmy Googs : 12/2/2019 8:47 pm : link
probably need to try and add some speed at Inside LB and FS in free agency and maybe a Center or RT.

Then I would trade out of whatever top spot we fall into and then add an Edge Rusher, another O-lineman and another LB (with the view that we can get 3 picks from our 1st).

boom...

So many needs that this clown  
Rflairr : 12/2/2019 8:51 pm : link
Gave away two good picks for a free agent
RE: Honestly, it depends  
Bleedin Blue : 12/2/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14700484 Anakim said:
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Who knows whether we'll be a 4-3 or a 3-4 next year


Anakim for the win!! I know thatís the million dollar question, I just hope thereís a coaching change!
If itís still a 3-4, Iíd rank it  
Ben in Tampa : 12/2/2019 9:33 pm : link
Edge
Edge
FS
ILB
CB

Hoping Connelly comes back from injury at full strength and is as good as he flashed, but thatís a big ask.

Love may end up being a gamer, but Iíd love a killer FS back there.

Giants also need just better overall depth.
RE: If itís still a 3-4, Iíd rank it  
huygens20 : 12/2/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14700604 Ben in Tampa said:
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Edge
Edge
FS
ILB
CB

Hoping Connelly comes back from injury at full strength and is as good as he flashed, but thatís a big ask.

Love may end up being a gamer, but Iíd love a killer FS back there.

Giants also need just better overall depth.


+1
Everything  
MookGiants : 12/2/2019 10:22 pm : link
outside of maybe DT.

Peppers is JAG. I'd be looking to upgrade him as well.
They need inside linebackers?  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2019 10:34 pm : link
No, they need linebackers period, inside and outside. They need Fed. They need defensive backs. They need pretty much everything except DTs, and while those might be the strength of the defense, none of them are getting confused with Cortez Kennedy anytime soon.
RE: ...  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/2/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14700491 BleedBlue said:
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sure it can happen


connelly comes back and sign littleton or schobert. either would be awesome inside next to connelly, then draft chase young and resign williams and golden. thats a solid front 7 with three additions if you include connelly coming back
agree about Littleton

Giants need STUD defenders regardless of position  
SGMen : 12/2/2019 10:38 pm : link
When we draft, draft the best player regardless of position.

When we pursue UFA's, get the guys that fit our system and can still play. No more Bethea's to just plug a hole. We need guys that can actually still play and want to play.
RE: RE: If itís still a 3-4, Iíd rank it  
smshmth8690 : 12/2/2019 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14700628 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14700604 Ben in Tampa said:


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Edge
Edge
FS
ILB
CB

Hoping Connelly comes back from injury at full strength and is as good as he flashed, but thatís a big ask.

Love may end up being a gamer, but Iíd love a killer FS back there.

Giants also need just better overall depth.



+1


Not only hoping Connelly comes back at full strength, hope he can be an effective MLB if the D is a 4-3 next year.
Aside from the interior DLine...  
Thankyoueli : 12/2/2019 11:51 pm : link
Literally everything
RE: Aside from the interior DLine...  
SGMen : 12/3/2019 12:20 am : link
In comment 14700726 Thankyoueli said:
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Literally everything
Agreed. But edge rushers and LB's are primary needs.

I like Ximines and Carter but they haven't shown enough to make me believe they'll be forces in the NFL.

If we go with a new DC and a 4-3 defense, draft DE D. Young for DE, well we need LB's and a FS if Love isn't the answer.
We also need a big, hulking, athletic TE...  
M.S. : 12/3/2019 7:05 am : link

...who will go over the middle and make tough catches in traffic.

We ain't got that kind of player on the current roster.
RE: A decent coach...  
gmenatlarge : 12/3/2019 8:50 am : link
In comment 14700482 Torrag said:
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would help.

Edge and FS are the obvious top needs.

Personally I like the idea of a Connelly/Mayo tandem. You can't have stars at every position and the interior LB's in a 3-4 aren't critical positions imo. They'd need another player in the mix but we can cut ogletree and save some cap room.

We have plenty of young talented CB's we just need to deploy and coach them properly.


Thinking that interior LBs aren't critical is one of the main reasons this defense blows!!!
RE: A decent coach...  
jcn56 : 12/3/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14700482 Torrag said:
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would help.

Edge and FS are the obvious top needs.

Personally I like the idea of a Connelly/Mayo tandem. You can't have stars at every position and the interior LB's in a 3-4 aren't critical positions imo. They'd need another player in the mix but we can cut ogletree and save some cap room.

We have plenty of young talented CB's we just need to deploy and coach them properly.


You know who else would like the Connelly/Mayo tandem?

The Cowboys, Eagles and Redskins.
I don't think we're nearly as far off  
mittenedman : 12/3/2019 8:58 am : link
as it looks.

First - I'd go back to a 43. Very nice interior DL rotation of Lawrence/Williams/Tomlinson/Hill.

Get Chase Young at DE and sign another DE in UFA.

I like Connelly at MLB, I'd play Zo Carter at 43 SLB and move Peppers to WLB. (He is not a S IMO.)

The DBs are fine - keeping sawing wood. Baker & Beal outside, Ballentine in the slot and Love at FS. I would then sign a veteran SS to be the ring-leader. (Think Rolle or Sam Madison.)

When it all shakes out the needs are as follows:

*Draft Chase Young
*Sign a DE opposite Young
*Sign a vet SS.

The most important thing is getting a good DC and coaching staff in place.
So next year  
NikkiMac : 12/3/2019 9:03 am : link
90% of the roster is going to be 1st , 2nd and 3rd year players possibly learning a new system under a new coach. I assume we will be picking top 5 again ........oh boy
Is Fs a need?  
Matt M. : 12/3/2019 1:40 pm : link
Isn't Love likely to be the FS next year? So far, in 2 games he has seemed to be our best defender.
Answer to your question is yes, it can be  
Simms11 : 12/3/2019 6:35 pm : link
filled in one off-season. Plenty of money in Free Agency and high draft picks. Problem is we may have to overpay for FAs just to come here if Head Coach remains. Also we can have all the talent in the world, but if we can't execute a scheme properly or are constantly out of position or are playing undisciplined, it won't matter. We also need a new Defensive Staff!
What the defense must have is a ďgame changerĒ. Someone opposing teams  
plato : 12/3/2019 9:40 pm : link
must game plan for. We do have a good Ďdí line rotation, but regardless of talent unlikely dexter is that guy, predominantly because his hand is in the dirt. without going through the current roster, we need such a player as a lbíer, inside or out(edge), or a great safety. Peppers not this guy nor is Love, although Peppers is a player.

So game changer, lbíer or safety, who will it be?
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