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nygiants16 : 12/2/2019 8:39 pm
this is awful, i am tempted to start rooting for a new team. How inept can you be?
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RE: We just donít have anyone who  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14700594 Carl in CT said:
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Can shoot. No shooters in this NBA means tons of losses.


their 6th in the nba in made 3s yet are 27th in attempts..

it is moronic, the offense and team is archaich
RE: We just donít have anyone who  
TyreeHelmet : 12/2/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14700594 Carl in CT said:
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Can shoot. No shooters in this NBA means tons of losses.


They put together a team with no point guard, no shooting and no defense and spent 70 million doing it. Itís actually remarkable.

Imagine being told 1 year ago that Taj Gibson would be a major player this year for the Knicks.
trier probably the only player who had a good half  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2019 9:42 pm : link
and foz is still not playing him in the 2md half..
Just flipped back to the game  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2019 9:42 pm : link
and saw Iggy out there. I wonder how many shots he can jack up in these final 18 minutes.
Get Uriji.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2019 9:43 pm : link
Whatever it takes. Hell, get Presti. Get Morey.

Get somebody who knows what the F they're doing.
Bud  
TyreeHelmet : 12/2/2019 9:45 pm : link
Is a great coach. Love watching Giannis and this bucks team.
RE: Bud  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14700624 TyreeHelmet said:
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Is a great coach. Love watching Giannis and this bucks team.


they will never win though unless he consistently hits outside shots
The man Dolan trusts the most...  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2019 9:53 pm : link
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Knicks Film School
@NYKFilmSchool

Steve Mills on September 30:

ďThere were a lot of max type players that we could have met with, that were interested in coming here. We had a certain way that we wanted to build this team.

This is how we chose to build it.Ē
The Knicks are a lost cause  
PhilSimms15 : 12/2/2019 9:57 pm : link
Dolan is the worst owner in sports with the worst instincts. Iíve been a season ticket holder for the Knicks for 33 years and they have finally worn me down. I wish I could root for another franchise but I canít. Thus, the NBA is dead to me.
I am staying up in hopes  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2019 10:03 pm : link
fizdale is fired tonight, would be a good time to do it, have 2 days until next game..
What are we doing???????  
Chris L. : 12/2/2019 10:04 pm : link
Why is Fizdale allowed to keep coaching this team???? No one, I repeat NO ONE is getting better. Mitchell Robinson...4 fours in six minutes! How does this happen night after night? I'll tell you how it happens. We have a player's coach. No one has to fight over a pick...but they sure do like the coach. No one can shoot a foul shot...but they sure do like the coach. Every young player we have has regressed ...but they sure do love the coach. There is no discipline or accountability whatsoever with this team. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!
Well,I gotta be honest Steve  
ghost718 : 12/2/2019 10:04 pm : link
I fail to see any resemblance to the 2005 Pistons

I also don't like this team,which you said I would
RE: You know what also would suck?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/2/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14700591 Anakim said:
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LaMelo Ball could be our first round pick and he may be amazing, but that kid seems like an uber douche with a punchable face.


Iíd rather Cole Anthony than LaMelo and his annoying dad.
Knicks need to start by building a team that can play defense  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/2/2019 10:15 pm : link
pathetic watching a team that doesn't play defense
Hey Allan Houston is here!  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2019 10:17 pm : link
What the fuck does he do again?
they should cancel the flight back  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 12/2/2019 10:25 pm : link
and just leave them there
RE: RE: You know what also would suck?  
Anakim : 12/2/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14700655 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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In comment 14700591 Anakim said:


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LaMelo Ball could be our first round pick and he may be amazing, but that kid seems like an uber douche with a punchable face.



Iíd rather Cole Anthony than LaMelo and his annoying dad.


Seems like it's a four-horse race to be the #1 pick: Ball, Anthony, Edwards and Wiseman
.  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2019 10:56 pm : link
Knicks are great for NYC tourism  
GiantsUA : 12/3/2019 7:39 am : link
An out of towner who travels to watch their favorite team has a terrific chance of getting a W.

Teams love playing at MSG.

RE: RE: We just donít have anyone who  
Heisenberg : 12/3/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14700598 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14700594 Carl in CT said:


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Can shoot. No shooters in this NBA means tons of losses.



their 6th in the nba in made 3s yet are 27th in attempts..

it is moronic, the offense and team is archaich


100%. Fire Fizdale, hand the team over to Miller, trade Ellington, Morris and Randle as soon as you can.
Maybe Fizdale thinks they are still tanking  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 8:58 am : link
only explanation for the way he coaches, he implemented a zone that gives up easy layups, offensive boards and wide open 3s...

RE: Maybe Fizdale thinks they are still tanking  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14700881 nygiants16 said:
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only explanation for the way he coaches, he implemented a zone that gives up easy layups, offensive boards and wide open 3s...


I understand how bad this roster is and how poorly put together it is. But this guy is an awful coach. Hornacek and Fisher look like Red Holzman compared to him.

Fire Fizdale and Mills now. Name Miller and Perry as interims. Have the full focus be on developing Barrett, Robinson, Frank, and Knox in that order. Dolan should then declare he will find the best possible basketball mind to turn this around. Give him whatever it takes but this franchise needs a major and complete overhaul.
My biggest issue with Fizdale  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 10:22 am : link
he lets players just iso, he lets randle and morris just iso whenever they want, Randle can be a valuable piece if used the right way, instead he lets him dribble all over the place..

The team should play off ball movement, there sjould be no one isoing..

How about running pick and roll with barrett and randle, with morris on the wing..

You are 6th in 3pointers yet you domt make it part of your offense..

Defensively it is a joke, you habe a good defensive backcourt with frank and barrett, why are you switching?

Morris is a good defender and gibson is a good defender, STOP SWITCHING..
maybe someone could convince Dolan to move the team to Seattle  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2019 10:25 am : link
and we could start over with an expansion team
and it is amazing  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 10:28 am : link
this cosch didnt have a plan coming into training camp, you signed these guys juky 1st, yet it takes you all this time to set a rotation and gameplan?


Like what the fuck were you doing all offseason?
They're  
Jon in NYC : 12/3/2019 10:42 am : link
all dead men walking.
...  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2019 10:57 am : link
Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer

4m
Dating back to January of 2018, the Knicks are:
27-107

Yes, 80 games below .500
And yet the suckers continue to pack Dolan's building  
arniefez : 12/3/2019 11:14 am : link
anyone who spends 5 minutes or 5 bucks on the Knicks deserves this. Empty the building. Ignore them until it forces Dolan to either step back or completely away. If any of you are big enough fools to think Dolan is a good owner because "he spends" you deserve this too.

I've noticed the Rangers are starting to have trouble filling the building and they're at least entertaining for a non playoff team.
Take away  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2019 11:30 am : link
the tourists who don't care about the team, celebrities who don't care abut the team, corporate/Wall Street folks who don't care about team, and the fans who are there to cheer for the opposing team, and the building would be mostly empty.
RE: Take away  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14701069 bceagle05 said:
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the tourists who don't care about the team, celebrities who don't care abut the team, corporate/Wall Street folks who don't care about team, and the fans who are there to cheer for the opposing team, and the building would be mostly empty.


I dont know i was at the knicks sixers game and the place was rocking oretty good with defense chants...

What is the difference between a good owner and a bad owner? the men they hire, dolans biggest issue is he trusts the wrong people to run the knicks..

Was Wellington mara a good owner or bad owner?

How about the owner of the warriors?

It is just a matter of hiring the right guys, if he gets masai to come run the knicks and he turns the in nocks around does dolan become a good owner?
Between the Giants & Knicks man...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2019 11:34 am : link
Sports isn't a lot of fun recently.
RE: Between the Giants & Knicks man...  
Sean : 12/3/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14701077 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sports isn't a lot of fun recently.


Any thoughts on the NBA having a brutal gear? Ratings down across the board significantly. Itís funny, because Iíve read that the NBA was going to take over the NFL as most popular sport.
*year  
Sean : 12/3/2019 11:40 am : link
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I would  
TommyWiseau : 12/3/2019 12:10 pm : link
Love Uriji, heck bring VanVleet with him. Kid plays some fucking defense at least
RE: I would  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14701131 TommyWiseau said:
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Love Uriji, heck bring VanVleet with him. Kid plays some fucking defense at least


This would be my dream offseason scenario. Along with getting Randle off this team.
Ujiri the new KD dream  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 12:27 pm : link
yay!!
Siakam and VanVleet  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2019 12:31 pm : link
were both brought to Toronto in 2016: Siakam with the 27th pick, and VanVleet as an undrafted free agent. Within three years both were key pieces on championship teams and potential All-Stars. Siakam may wind up with some MVP votes. That's the type of player development the Knicks talk about, but never deliver.

Ujiri had the balls to move DeRozan for a Leonard rental, won a title, lost Leonard, and now has a 15-4 team that's a legit contender in the East. He's a maestro.
RE: Siakam and VanVleet  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14701159 bceagle05 said:
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were both brought to Toronto in 2016: Siakam with the 27th pick, and VanVleet as an undrafted free agent. Within three years both were key pieces on championship teams and potential All-Stars. Siakam may wind up with some MVP votes. That's the type of player development the Knicks talk about, but never deliver.

Ujiri had the balls to move DeRozan for a Leonard rental, won a title, lost Leonard, and now has a 15-4 team that's a legit contender in the East. He's a maestro.


Dont forget he also got rid of a coach of the year in dwaybe casey for nick nurse..
We are screwed and Iíll tell you why  
Carl in CT : 12/3/2019 12:50 pm : link
Our youth and last three firsts Frank, Knox, RJB need to play and develop. Problem is they canít shoot. In modern NBA you have to shoot. Dotson and Trier can shoot. They shoot a lot better than the other three and in my opinion playing more minutes would help this team win. So what do you do? Major Oroblem.
RE: We are screwed and Iíll tell you why  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14701188 Carl in CT said:
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Our youth and last three firsts Frank, Knox, RJB need to play and develop. Problem is they canít shoot. In modern NBA you have to shoot. Dotson and Trier can shoot. They shoot a lot better than the other three and in my opinion playing more minutes would help this team win. So what do you do? Major Oroblem.


I agree that they need to let these young players play big minutes and let them struggle through it. Thats what this season should have been all about. But Trier is not a good player. I'm not even sure he belongs in the NBA. He has been horrendous this season when he played and might be one of the worst defenders I've ever seen at this level.

RJB  
Carl in CT : 12/3/2019 1:18 pm : link
Is the player that (I might be in the minority) in my opinion will keep struggling cause he canít shoot. His defense is suspect and he is outscored every night by the opponents 2 guard. Iím not a fan (I know young etc).
Lol at OP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/3/2019 1:20 pm : link
Iíll see you in the next game thread.
RE: Lol at OP  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14701213 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Iíll see you in the next game thread.


yes you will
RE: RJB  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14701209 Carl in CT said:
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Is the player that (I might be in the minority) in my opinion will keep struggling cause he canít shoot. His defense is suspect and he is outscored every night by the opponents 2 guard. Iím not a fan (I know young etc).


His defense is suspect? really?

He is averaging 15 points per game, he is not getting outscored every night
RE: RE: I would  
Stu11 : 12/3/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14701147 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14701131 TommyWiseau said:


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Love Uriji, heck bring VanVleet with him. Kid plays some fucking defense at least



This would be my dream offseason scenario. Along with getting Randle off this team.

I would make VanVleet the #1 target this off season, though as always why the hell would he come here to this perennial dumpster fire no matter how much $ we throw at him.
Didn't want to start a new discussion  
bceagle05 : 12/4/2019 9:23 pm : link
but Cole Anthony is coming up on ESPN for those looking for something to watch. This is my first real look at him (besides YouTube).
Part of the problem is that  
idiotsavant : 12/5/2019 9:46 am : link
The Knicks and maybe the Giants (obviously the Yanks) are probably part of the grand tour. So folks with no interest in sports really above a stop on the tour will go to one game a year, buy hats.

So, if ownership is into that model , they might not care about win loss as much.

There is a great thread past few days where the diehard Giants fans remember epic times in the old stadium and compare it to the soulless situation of today.

In some ways new york has become a disgraceful soulless shell, of a place, a super stop for museums and food and back on the tour bus or jet or helo.

The new generation of die hards are probably too busy and too poor and too tired and worn out to pay for and enjoy tickets and a game in person
If it was just tourists filling the building  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2019 11:14 am : link
it would never get as liud as it does, that mavs game would not have been as crazy as it was in that building..

I was at the sixers game and it was loud, tourists do kot get loud at games..
LOl - I stopped watching the Knicks years ago  
PatersonPlank : 12/5/2019 11:19 am : link
Its like my old girlfriends who are now fat and ugly. I'd rather remember them as they were in the early 1970's and early 1990's.
RE: The Knicks are a lost cause  
buster : 12/5/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14700638 PhilSimms15 said:
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Dolan is the worst owner in sports with the worst instincts. Iíve been a season ticket holder for the Knicks for 33 years and they have finally worn me down. I wish I could root for another franchise but I canít. Thus, the NBA is dead to me.


I was lucky and (unfortunately I payed the price of aging now 72...That stinks but I'll always have the 69 and 72 Championships.. lived inn the City then... I'm so old that I actually saw a few double headers in the old Garden.. Yep double-headers .... What a treat..
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