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christian : 12/2/2019 10:38 pm
A little exercise I was pondering to gauge how far from being competitive the core of this roster is. Let's call it in the hunt for the playoffs next year. No opinion on how/why, just the results needed from the position.

What do you guys think the Giants need from these spots?

Players/positions where the incumbent performance can be counted on regularly = Good to Go
Players/positions where the team needs more production = Improve
Players/positions where the team needs a lot more production = Really Improve

QB Jones = Improve
RB Barkley = Improve
FB Penny = Good to Go
WR1 Tate = Improve
WR2 Slayton = Good to Go
WRSlot Shepard = Improve
OLT Solder = Really Improve
OLG Hernandez = Good to Go
C Halapio = Really Improve
ORG Zeitler = Improve
ORT Remmers (UFA) = Really Improve
TE1 Engram = Improve
TE2 Ellison = Improve

DE/DT Lawrence = Good to Go
DT Tomlinson = Good to Go
DE Williams (UFA) = Good to Go
DE Hill = Really Improve
OSLB Carter = Improve
ISLB Ogletree = Improve
ISLB Connely = Improve
EDGE Golden (UFA) = Good to Go
EDGE Ximines = Improve
SS Peppers = Improve
FS Bethea = Really Improve
CB1 Jenkins = Improve
CB2 Baker = Really Improve
CBSlot Ballentine = Really Improve
CBNickel Beal = Improve

K Rosa = Improve
P Dixon = Good to Go
LS Holba = Good to Go
but according to PFF  
MyBoyBlue : 12/2/2019 10:53 pm : link
Hernandez is not good. Ereck Flowers is better than him. haha... So I'm told
I hope they all REALLY IMPROVE  
SGMen : 12/2/2019 11:00 pm : link
The Giants need to get a HC that can lead, motivate and coach. Shurmur is too nice of a guy and lacks that motivational fire you fall behind and develop behind.

We have some talent on this team. We also have some major holes and weaknesses.

For one, I can't believe how "average" to below average this OL is, especially run blocking. Some of the issues are scheme but our OT's plain old stink. Just horrid. We lack blocking TE's.
RE: but according to PFF  
Thankyoueli : 12/2/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14700690 MyBoyBlue said:
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Hernandez is not good. Ereck Flowers is better than him. haha... So I'm told


I havnt watched much of Flower boy much this year (have you?)

But Hernandez has definitely been a disappointment.
RE: RE: but according to PFF  
MyBoyBlue : 12/2/2019 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14700703 Thankyoueli said:
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In comment 14700690 MyBoyBlue said:


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Hernandez is not good. Ereck Flowers is better than him. haha... So I'm told



I havnt watched much of Flower boy much this year (have you?)

But Hernandez has definitely been a disappointment.


The whole left side has been a huge disappointment. Actually the whole line... even Zeitler whose suppose to be all pro has looked average to me.
Coaching perhaps?
You left out prefixes.....  
thrunthrublue : 12/2/2019 11:32 pm : link
Will Never........and Cannot.
Mostly I agree...  
.McL. : 12/2/2019 11:42 pm : link
I would make a few changes my changes in italics

QB Jones = Improve
RB Barkley = Improve
FB Penny = Good to Go
WR1 Tate = Improve
WR2 Slayton = Good to Go
WRSlot Shepard = Improve
OLT Solder = Really Improve
OLG Hernandez = Good to Go Improve
C Halapio = Really Improve
ORG Zeitler = Improve
ORT Remmers (UFA) = Really Improve
TE1 Engram = Improve
TE2 Ellison = Improve

DE/DT Lawrence = Good to Go
DT Tomlinson = Good to Go
DE Williams (UFA) = Good to Go
DE Hill = Really Improve As a backup in the rotation, good to go, not so much as a starter
OSLB Carter = Improve Really Improve
ISLB Ogletree = Improve Really Improve
ISLB Connely = Improve Until he shows he has returned, not sure he should be penciled in... If he hasn't returned to form, then this needs to be Really Improved
EDGE Golden (UFA) = Good to Go In my mind, Golden should be the #2 ER on the team, not the primary. as the #2 ER he is Good To Go, but ER as a whole needs to be Improved to Really Improved
EDGE Ximines = Improve Ximines is just a rotational guy IMO, he should not be the #1 or #2 ER... I wouldn't even list him
SS Peppers = Improve
FS Bethea = Really Improve
CB1 Jenkins = Improve
CB2 Baker = Really Improve
CBSlot Ballentine = Really Improve
CBNickel Beal = Improve

K Rosas = Improve Return to last years form... Yes, I am assuming this year is an aberration
P Dixon = Good to Go
LS Holba = Good to Go
Unfortunately you left out the coaching staff.  
Spider56 : 12/3/2019 4:29 am : link
Do you think Lamar Jackson and the Ravens are 10-2 with this staff? Conversely, the Giants would be at least 6-6 with competent coaching. As long as this group of ninkampoops are there, it’s not fair to judge the players. Good coaches get improvement week to week regardless of who the players are ... we have continuing regression. The first move has to be to fire PS and the staff.
Everyone on this roster needs to improve  
Rick in Dallas : 12/3/2019 6:05 am : link
Absolutely no player is “good to go” on this roster. We tend to over value the talent of players on this roster on BBI.
We have a long way to go talent wise to become competitive again. No doubt our coaching staff sucks but so does our talent level.
I agree with the posters that almost the entire roster  
Giants61 : 12/3/2019 7:28 am : link
needs to really improve. For the most part the DL has been decent against the run but all other members of the defense need to really improve. As for the OL at least 3 positions need to really improve as well as the tight ends.
The real question isn't just what positions need improvement  
BillT : 12/3/2019 9:44 am : link
The important question is which of the players we have can improve enough to be part of the future and which need to be replaced.
RE: The real question isn't just what positions need improvement  
christian : 12/3/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14700928 BillT said:
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The important question is which of the players we have can improve enough to be part of the future and which need to be replaced.


My view is if a guy falls in the "really improve" bucket there's a good chance, he needs to be replaced. Unless a guy is a rookie, what's the likelihood he's going to do a 180?
RE: but according to PFF  
bumpsinthenight : 12/3/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14700690 MyBoyBlue said:
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Hernandez is not good. Ereck Flowers is better than him. haha... So I'm told


Living in DC area I’m subjected to skins games.

I’m not giving up Hernandez for Flowers but Skins won’t be making that swap either. They are happy with Flowers and from what I’ve seen he’s been stable and consistent. No one is going to confuse him with an all pro or even a pro bowler but he appears to better at guard then he ever was at tackle. I honestly can’t disagree with PFF assessment having not watched all of Flowers snaps but it isn’t improbable that he could be rated above Hernandez from what I have seen.
Hernandez Good to Go?  
figgy2989 : 12/3/2019 10:02 am : link
Guy has regressed this year.
RE: Hernandez Good to Go?  
Photoguy : 12/3/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14700955 figgy2989 said:
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Guy has regressed this year.


Who's to say he won't bounce back next year? I don't see the games, but from what BBI is leading me to believe, a new OL coach would make a big difference.
I'm not  
Photoguy : 12/3/2019 10:11 am : link
about replacing Rosas. Sure, he's having a down year, but how many times have we seen our PK go on to better success with other teams? Let's see how he does with the new long snapper. Last week, he was perfect.
RE: Hernandez Good to Go?  
christian : 12/3/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14700955 figgy2989 said:
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Guy has regressed this year.


My point isn't that he's as good as last year, I'm saying he playing good enough LG to be the starter on a playoff team.

If he was the guy he was right now for the rest of his career, he would be an adequate starter.
What this team needs is  
Rudy5757 : 12/3/2019 10:27 am : link
2 OTs
1 center
1 WR

On D

2 Edge Rushers
1 MLB
1 safety

the rest on the roster need to improve greatly but I think we can do that with a few impact FAs. The guys drafted last year did not improve off of their rookie years. Hernandez has not been good, carter has been average at best, Hill did not improve, Barkley has taken a step back. The Rookies this year have been pretty impressive as a whole.

I like Jones a lot, he makes mistakes but he is a rookie. lawrence is a force, baker has improved but he hasn't been good yet, he is a disappointment at this point. Connelly hopefully comes back strong but may need a year. Slayton will be a very good player in this league once he attacks the ball more. Lets hope these guys take the leap unlike DGs 1st draft crop.
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